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Codelike
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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 03:56 Edited at: 10th Nov 2006 04:02
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Welcome to the world of colourblindness - you're one of the select few who'd normally be considered 'deficient' in sight! You've got a special genetic trait that 95% of the population can't equal - very useful for night vision, apparently. So what if pink looks grey?

Can anyone else see it?

I've got another (audio) 'hypersense' test for you all later, if anyone's interested!

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I'm not colour blind but I could still make out a six in the first image, couldn't see anything in the second though.


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I couldn't see the circle or the six =/
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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 04:09 Edited at: 10th Nov 2006 04:19
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double post (see my next one)

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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 04:16
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The new one was easy, I got all of them.
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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 04:17
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I already had suspicions from people telling me things were green and I would bet money that they were yellow...

sometimes red and brown, not as much. But also brown orange and pink are hard to make out.

Its strange, naturally I dont paint with warm colours like these either, I never knew why but Its probably because I cant feel or control them

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Hehe, the second one sort of looks like a very faint teastain (to me anyway!) & the first one is clearly obvious.

Here's the Ishihara Test (the normal one). It would be interesting to see if any graphics artists in the forum have any interesting (sensible!) opinions. We could have a whole new form of art here!

An idea: develop a game based on the shades of colour that the user can (or cannot) see & plot the game accordingly.

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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 04:40
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Quote: "The new one was easy, I got all of them."


That's because you're meant to be able to see them (unless you're colour blind, of course).


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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 04:58 Edited at: 10th Nov 2006 05:03
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Quote: "But also brown orange and pink are hard to make out."


I mix up brown/dark-green easily as I do beige/very-pale-green & purple/mid-dark-blue, as well as pink/grey (under certain lighting conditions). My favourite colour? I'd probably go with daffodil or acid yellow as they're easy for me to distinguish (as is silver, but that's more of a 'metallic' sheen than a true colour). Interestingly, fruit orange & primary red are quite obvious for me. The Ishihara first test is 25, 56 & spots everywhere else, to me, as well. RGB codes help a lot!

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I'm not color blind but I have a stigmatism so normal light to everybody else is almost blinding to me. I never go outside without sunglasses (prescription). Nighttime is my friend.

I saw the 6 and the circle in the first example and all numbers (including the 5) in the other example.
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Quote: "I'm not color blind but I have a stigmatism so normal light to everybody else is almost blinding to me. I never go outside without sunglasses (prescription). Nighttime is my friend.

I saw the 6 and the circle in the first example and all numbers (including the 5) in the other example."

Same here, although I don't need sunglasses to go out, though I wear them anyway because being outside is mildly painful for me. Been that way since birth >>


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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 06:38
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Quote: "That's because you're meant to be able to see them (unless you're colour blind, of course)."


The first test, if you can see the objects then you are colourblind.

The second test (which opticians give you to test for it) is you can see the numbers i you have "normal" vision.

Personally I enjoy tests like this, trying my best to see things that I can't yet others without the different colour perception can. I don't like to call it colourblind-ness because they include not only people like me, who's colour perceptions are different (and can actually view far more at the low-bandwidth while the high-bandwidth becomes difficult) and those who has a particular colour replaced with a grey vision.

This said I cant stand it when someone with 'normal' vision knows about this afliction; as they'll always go around for the next hour going "what colour is this?"

Don't see an issue trying to create artwork (pixel) with a problem with colour perception. Mainly because while there are certain colour schemes that are difficult to see; generally you'll find that you just don't ever notice using the problematic colours often.

I think the main issue, is that you look closer to what is being made; means that things that would normally look fine to most people, to you has something about it that just brings down the overall quality.

Can't see it affecting people too badly though tbh, never has really affected me.

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Lol, funny. In that last test, I could see the 5 and the 2 at the same time.

Maybe I'm evolutions next step???

Anyone want to make a statue of me!??!

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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 08:23 Edited at: 10th Nov 2006 09:06
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''If you can see suckers, then I say the future IS OURS!.'' - sorry, watched Warriors a couple of nights ago.

I can see both, the 6 and the circle (and all the numbers). I'm not colourblind, so I'm not sure what the point of the test is . I had a colourblind history teacher who would wear bright red shoes thinking they were brown leather.

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Couldn't see a thing in the first test and the numbers might as well have been black on white for the second. So that makes me completely normal right? Perhaps even superhuman...

"Select few"? Erm more like defective few...

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On the first I could only see the circly/bottom bit of the 6. On the bottom one I certainly could _not_ see the circle.

The second test was as expected. Could see all the numbers, but not the "2".

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Nah Dazzag, that makes you normal, but being normal is hardly a goal - if you could see the 6, the circle, and all the numbers (plus that bit of 2 in the 5) - then your a super human colour recognition vision machine... like me.
I often get clash, like an old Spectrum magazine, some of those are like chemical stimulants, the words seem to pulse on the page - like bright red writing on bright blue, I suppose most people get that though.

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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 12:15
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I can see them, and I'm am definitely not colourblind.

Perceptiveness has a lot to do with it. As a photographer, I tend to look at the finer detail in things, so spotting differences in contrast isn't difficult.



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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 12:22
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bah, i couldn't do the anti colour blind test, and i can't do the colour blindness tests... things arn't looking good for my chosen career path.

Codelike: i'm a graphics student, but i'm almost certain i can't give you a good answer here, as apparantly i'm colour blind, and not colour blind at the same time. What i am fairly certain of though, is that its already been done, and if not, there's probably a good reason for it (not everyone can appricate it).

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Quote: "Same here, although I don't need sunglasses to go out, though I wear them anyway because being outside is mildly painful for me. Been that way since birth >>"


My eye problems started when I got some poison in one eye... from walking through an orange grove that was just sprayed. I do know one thing that has color that I can't see... stars. I look up into the night sky and I only see white stars. I was actually shocked to hear that people see different colored stars.
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I could see the 6, but not the circle. The six was far more clear on the pink part than the red part.

I could see all of the numbers in the 'normal' test.

I'm not sure what that combination means, (mostly non-colourblind, I'd imagine). I read that males are far more likely to be colourblind because they've only got one of the carrying chromasomes, whereas females need to have both their chromasomes carrying colourblindness to actually be colourblind.

http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/2C.html

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Quote: "I was actually shocked to hear that people see different colored stars."

Well this is news to me O.o; I can see different color stars on pictures of it on the computer, but not outside at night. I just figured that was an atmosphere thing.


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Quote: "Well this is news to me O.o; I can see different color stars on pictures of it on the computer, but not outside at night. I just figured that was an atmosphere thing."


Yeah I thought it was normal too... till a friend of mine was showing me some constellations "See that big red star over there?" "Red?".
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First test I could see the 6, but not the circle.

Ishihara test page I got 25, 70, nada, 66, nada, 5
Was supposed to be 25, 29, 45, 56, 6, 8

The 7th circle test I got a 2 but was supposed to see a 5 0_o

Ran the same tests on buddy at work (43 years old) and he got them all right on all tests but the circle. Since alot of men miss them, I picked on him all night. Telling him he had sight like a girl

Sad thing is that the color blindness seems to be getting worse with age. I used to pass all those test when I was younger. I'll be arc welding and torching all the time doesn't help me any either. When I work on circuit boards I have to get someone to check the resistor color codes for me

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Quote: "then your a super human colour recognition vision machine"
Hmmm. I thought if you could see the circle or "6" then it makes you less of a person than the rest of us. Probably elligible for disability allowance I would have thought. No job in the military for you then....

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Quote: "I read that males are far more likely to be colourblind because they've only got one of the carrying chromasomes, whereas females need to have both their chromasomes carrying colourblindness to actually be colourblind."


Yeah, genetically Men suffer from being Colourblind and you get it from your mother's side not your father. Same with Baldness and in-fact nearly all of the common genetic afflictions.

No wonder most blokes don't like their mom's much. :p

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Quote: "Hmmm. I thought if you could see the circle or "6" then it makes you less of a person than the rest of us. Probably elligible for disability allowance I would have thought. No job in the military for you then...."


Hehe, unlikely, I'm diabetic and have 1 knacked kneecap - except maybe if I started my own army, then they'd have to let me in.

I'm thinking that the ability to recognise the 6 and the circle is an indication of good colour differentiation - not really a colour-blindness test, more a colour recognition test. Your not missing any details like in the number tests, your actually seeing detail that not everyone can, can't possibly be considered bad.

6 and circle see'ers are clearly a cut above the average Magoo here, if it makes you feel better you should go back and try to spot the circle, I didn't see it first time, I had to relax a bit and take the whole image in before it was noticable.

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Quote: "First test I could see the 6, but not the circle."


Cool, I could only see the circle, but not the handle.

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woohoo I'm not colorblind, not even close.

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Should've pointed out...

Those who can see the 6 & circle but aren't colourblind - is your screen gamma/contrast/brightness etc. set correctly?

Quote: "you get it from your mother's side"

Yup, my mother's father was colourblind as well. (Not sure about the baldness bit though! I'm the same hair pattern as my dad & his dad.)

Quote: "color blindness seems to be getting worse with age"

Colour perception changes are quite normal as one ages. Monet or Manet, I think, had a tendency to 'yellow' his paintings as he got older.

Quote: "I was actually shocked to hear that people see different colored stars"

They're all white to me, too, unless I'm looking through binoculars, then the colour resolves itself to some degree. Hence the reason I wouldn't be allowed to night-pilot aircraft as point lights wouldn't be 'correctly' perceived.

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Quote: "Those who can see the 6 & circle but aren't colourblind - is your screen gamma/contrast/brightness etc. set correctly?"

Yes, but define "correctly".


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Adobe Gamma?

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Quote: "I'm thinking that the ability to recognise the 6 and the circle is an indication of good colour differentiation - not really a colour-blindness test, more a colour recognition test. Your not missing any details like in the number tests, your actually seeing detail that not everyone can, can't possibly be considered bad."


If you are not color-blind then this is true. However if you are color-blind you can see them easier than normal people. This is because of the rgb values that make up the shapes. Take the most common color blindness (red-green), it is harder to make out this part of the color. This means you see the blue good. Now image the colors that make up the shapes all have the same blue color value but have random red and green values. If you have really great color perception you won't see the shapes as the color as a whole are all random looking. However if you could only make out the blue components, it would be easier to group the pixels with the same blue value regardless of the r and g values.

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Even though I have kind of bad vision in both eyes, I still did really well in the tests. I didn't think they had a thing in common.

In the first test, I saw a circle in the first image. I didn't see the top part of the six, but only the circle. I saw nothing in the next image. I also saw every number and the six in the second test.

Quote: "I was actually shocked to hear that people see different colored stars"

I've always noticed the different colored stars.

Here's another neat color test:
http://colorvisiontesting.com/online%20test.htm


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Quote: "Here's another neat color test:
http://colorvisiontesting.com/online%20test.htm"


I failed all of those except the demonstration pallet.

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I'm not colorblind, but I could still make out those things pretty easily.

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i could sort of see both, the 6 was hard to see, (much easier in the pink area) but i could see it... and i barely made out the circle

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