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Geek Culture / vista goes gold and its already cracked!

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indi
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nothing is secure with computers it seems

http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztech/vista-gold-but-cracked-already/2006/11/14/1163266532925.html

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Torsten Sorensen
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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 02:34
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Pwned..

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 03:35
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lol, you gota wonder how the hackers get hold of the files though.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 06:37
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Quote: "lol, you gota wonder how the hackers get hold of the files though."


Quote: "the code for their initial release has been finalised and released to manufacturing."


maybe someone isn't so honest. I swaer my half-brother (who WILL remain nameless) has to be one of the ones he already has/ worked on the pirated copy. that guy just cant justify spending more than $100 on software.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 08:32
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it's been leaked for nearly half a week now. apparently it's the rtm build which goes to pc companies like dell so they can re-badge it and add their program packages to it.

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Jess T
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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 14:54
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Not to support piracy or anything, but in the article they say:

Quote: "Microsoft is capable of deactivating pirated copies by sending a patch through Windows Update"


Can't windows update simply be turned off?
And what about computers with firewalls and what-not that simply disallow internet access, or better yet, what about computers not connected to the net?

What good is Win Update then?

Just food for thought

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 17:53
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tut tut, poor old Microsoft, just as long as it doesn't make an excuse for delay.

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Kenjar
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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 18:03
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Oh this anti-piracy never works. The only realistic way of doing it is to store windows on a remote microsoft server, and have people log into it over a high speed DSL connection. Servicing are experimenting with such systems, but it won't really be viable for another decade or two really.

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geecee3
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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 19:54
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legitimate serial keys are easily obtained, just take a trip to pc world, see those little OEM stickers on display models. each one has a valid serial key.

can I help you sir? nop, I'm here for the serial keys you blatantly display to the public on these display systems, incidently, where's your DVD media kept? I need a blank to burn my new OS .

//start_rant.

the price of vista ultimate is beyond a joke, $400 for an operating system to play games and do a spot of business??

they are obviously having a laugh at us shelling out our hard earned for a product that they know we need to play the next generation of games properly. and on top of that they have the cheek to say one copy per box you own. I have 3 TV's in this house, I only need to buy a single licence to legitimatley use all 3. Why do microsoft insist on bleeding us dry for cash, when they impose such restrictions on an operating system.

I will have to purchase a copy of vista for work, but i'm not a happy man having to shell out an additional $400 for each box I own. i'm currently looking at a over $1200 worth of upgrading to technically get nothing new. Also bear in mind that vista imposes restrictions on what you can do with your hardware, as an enthusuiast and performance tweeker i tend to swap mobos, CPU's, GFX cards and hard disks about, under vista this will become a nightmare.

Linux looks ever more appealing for things like media creation and day to day tasks that are not exclusive to the wndows environment, but that in itself will cause hassle, as i have to effectivley learn a complex OS all over again, which will definatley hamper future production of content.

'they' now how to make an OS, granted. but there is totally no need for the price they are asking or restrictions 'they' are imposing.

//end_rant.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 20:07
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Quote: "the price of vista ultimate is beyond a joke, $400 for an operating system to play games and do a spot of business??"


That's the whole idea of it being Vista Ultimate. It's not designed just for playing games and doing a spot of business If you want to do that, you don't get Vista Ultimate.

Anyway, yeah, at least there's one good thing about this. Hopefully come the final release for home users, January 30th, they'll have patched it up and sorted tha anti-piracy stuff out; I suppose they can treat this as a sort of trial period.

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David R
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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 20:13 Edited at: 15th Nov 2006 20:14
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Quote: "That's the whole idea of it being Vista Ultimate. It's not designed just for playing games and doing a spot of business If you want to do that, you don't get Vista Ultimate."


I think this is the big problem M$ have put upon themselves; faced with different versions, I for one will not choose a version knowing it is 'cut-down'; I mean come on, I'm not parting with my cash to buy some piece of crap that can't do sod all - and I'm sure others agree. I want the full thing, not a half-assed pile of poo - so I'm going to get Ultimate edition, regardless of what unneeded features there are, and regardless of what means I get it by. I will get it, simple as that.

The version system is incredibly stupid with Vista, and it's seriously going to have an effect on M$ and the viability of the OS itself: I mean, would you really want to stock "Vista Home basic" in your PC shop?

It's ridiculous, truly ridiculous

Quote: "Anyway, yeah, at least there's one good thing about this. Hopefully come the final release for home users, January 30th, they'll have patched it up and sorted tha anti-piracy stuff out; I suppose they can treat this as a sort of trial period."


I doubt that somewhat. M$ are never ones to be proactive about anything, especially [in regards to] security problems

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Sorry to double-post (the above is refusing to edit properly) but can you believe that serial game-ports are now regarded as 'legacy' and have been completely dropped from Windows Vista!

Quote: "Other "legacy" hardware technologies no longer supported include: EISA buses, game ports, MPU-401, AMD K6/2+ Mobile Processors, Mobile Pentium II, and Mobile Pentium III SpeedStep; ISAPnP[69] is disabled by default."


I know USB is far better, but I reckon a hell of a lot of people still rely on their good 'ol serial-based game pads and sticks (I sure do). How completely ridiculous! I'm definitely not terribly enthusiastic to upgrade now :s

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 21:36 Edited at: 15th Nov 2006 21:51
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Quote: "Sorry to double-post (the above is refusing to edit properly) but can you believe that serial game-ports are now regarded as 'legacy' and have been completely dropped from Windows Vista! "


Yes, how many motherboards do you see now with a gameport on? My point exactly.

Quote: "I know USB is far better, but I reckon a hell of a lot of people still rely on their good 'ol serial-based game pads and sticks (I sure do). How completely ridiculous! I'm definitely not terribly enthusiastic to upgrade now :s"

3 quid off ebay, Gameport -> USB


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I think this is the big problem M$ have put upon themselves; faced with different versions, I for one will not choose a version knowing it is 'cut-down'; I mean come on, I'm not parting with my cash to buy some piece of crap that can't do sod all - and I'm sure others agree. I want the full thing, not a half-assed pile of poo - so I'm going to get Ultimate edition, regardless of what unneeded features there are, and regardless of what means I get it by. I will get it, simple as that."


I sure to hell will be? Are you telling me that you won't use XP Home because it's "cut-down". You won't use Server small business server because it doesn't have support for clustering? You wouldn't use the full installation of Red Hat because you lose the Gimp editor?

I'm going with basic on my laptop because I know that the graphics in it won't be close to what is required by Aero.

Quote: " I mean, would you really want to stock "Vista Home basic" in your PC shop?
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Yes, yes I would. Just like computer shops now stock XP Home AND Professional. I really see no difference :/


And in reality, a lot of legacy hardware haven't been completed dropped, there's a big fat option on device manager to add legacy hardware! Really, the things that have been dropped are rediculously old and Microsoft have deemed them in such little use that it's not worth having anymore. For example, I had a tape drive that doesn't work in Server 2003, yet worked in NT. It's SCSI and only accepts 4gb drives - yet I was glad that support was dropped because I went to the shop and got a tape drive that can accept much higher capacity tapes and at a much higher speed.

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Quote: " Yes, how many motherboards do you see now with a gameport on? My point exactly."


Pretty much every machine I've ever seen/used has one, so your point is not very clear. Heck, even the machine my Aunt+Uncle bought last month, which was comparatively 'un-legacy' since it had rid of its floppy drive and plenty of other legacy stuff had a gameport on it. (Which was a Compaq something or other @ ~2.8Ghz)


Quote: "I sure to hell will be? Are you telling me that you won't use XP Home because it's "cut-down". You won't use Server small business server because it doesn't have support for clustering? You wouldn't use the full installation of Red Hat because you lose the Gimp editor?"


Umm. yes. That's exactly what I'm trying to say, hence me saying it

Quote: "3 quid off ebay, Gameport -> USB"

Cost does not justify loss. Simple as that.

Quote: "Yes, yes I would. Just like computer shops now stock XP Home AND Professional. I really see no difference :/"

Coincidentally, there are already shops refusing to stock very basic version of Vista (this was somewhere on Slashdot quite recently, but I'm struggling to find it)

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 22:12 Edited at: 15th Nov 2006 22:14
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Come to think of it, I need a MIDI/Gameport -> USB adapter, and I didn't do a search so I didn't know they existed. Thanks for that

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Damn Toshiba laptop-- I love it to death, but there are many ports missing

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I'm just going to wait for the user hacked version of Direct X 10 that installs on XP.

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Quote: "Umm. yes. That's exactly what I'm trying to say, hence me saying it "


I'd use the full version of everything too, if it was at no extra cost. But that's the main point here, if you don't want the "useless" features (used in the lightest sense), you get a "cut-down" version - seems logical.

Quote: "Damn Toshiba laptop-- I love it to death, but there are many ports missing "

Jeku,Toshiba make this box of awesomeness which is a usb device that adds on a lot of the ports that are missing on a toshiba laptop. I can't for the life of me remember what it's called exactly, but it's something like a port replicator?

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