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Phaelax
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WE WON!!!!!!!

I hope I don't need to explain what I'm talking about. (unless you're from UK, in that case you're excused)


Ohio beats out michigan 42 to 39! Goooooo bucks!

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I only saw parts of it, but why didn't Michigan go for that two point conversion when it was 30 to 35? I don't get the reasoning behind it .

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Posted: 19th Nov 2006 02:15 Edited at: 19th Nov 2006 02:15
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I'm guessing American Soccer... or Baseball...

EDIT: or ice hockey...

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Kind of a rough thread title there with what Michigan has gone through in the last 24 hours. For those who don't know their head coach died yesterday. I am suprised the score was that close I thought they would be more distracted.

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Quote: "or ice hockey..."


People dont win games in ice hockey, they win fights.

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Its football. (no not soccer)

Quote: " but why didn't Michigan go for that two point conversion when it was 30 to 35?"


I thought they did? I know they got the 2pt somewhere in the 4th quarter.

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Quote: " Its football. (no not soccer)"


Wouldn't expect it to be soccer, it's been a while since I've seen 81 goals scored in a game.

I'm from the UK so I don't have a clue what you're on about, but congratulations to Ohio.

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Quote: "Wouldn't expect it to be soccer, it's been a while since I've seen 81 goals scored in a game. "


If there was scoring like that in soccer people here might actually watch it.

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I swear I was meant to live elsewhere lol. American football was always outrageously boring to me, whereas "soccer" always captivated my imagination in every way. In fact, it's one of the only sports I follow. In the past few years, American Soccer has been growing slightly more popular, and I think that if America's World Cup team could get into a semi-final just once in the next few decades, it would help the sport grow tremendously popular over here. But there's multiple reasons why it isn't popular I think:

* No celebrities - We don't have a Wayne Rooney, David Beckham, Thierry Henry, or Cristiano Ronaldo who kids can look up to. Whose the most famous American soccer player? Mia Hamm? And yes, some kids look up to Cristiano Ronaldo, before someone who hates United comes in to argue with my statement

* Too complicated - The game doesn't generate average high scores of 2 to 4 because it's easy to play, and I think it might be too hard to learn all of the rules for most fans. I've spent a lot of time trying to explain corners and offsides and penalty shots to my friends, usually replied to with blank faces. And most people won't sit through a whole game without understanding what's happening, which is why American Football is so dull to me... I don't understand it, and thus, it isn't interesting to me.

* Too many sports here to pay attention to - In the U.S. we've got baseball, american football, basketball, and NASCAR, all of which are popular and probably lend toward soccer not being popular here in the states... there's too much air time being spent on the other sports. When I want to watch soccer, I can only see FA Premier games, the English Cup, and the ECC matches.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2006 07:08 Edited at: 19th Nov 2006 07:18
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* Too complicated"

I'd consider soccer one of the least complicated sports to understand, maybe the finer details are specific, but think about it, if someone had never played before you could tell them how to play in one sentence, "Kick the ball into the net without using your hands." With football it's impossible to explain it like that, "Well, if your the quarterback, you throw it to the recievers after your center throws it between his legs to you, while your linemen block for you, oh but if you want you can just toss it to your half back or full back and they can run with it as far as they can while people try to tackle him, oh but you only get 4 tries, and once you get tackled you reset, and you get 4 more tries if you get 10 yards, and you get 6 points if you get into the touchdown, but then you can kick it for an extra point, or throw it for two..."(and that's grossly oversimplified) and on and on, it just doesn't work .I don't think the average high score is 2 to 4 because the game is complicated, I think it's because they count by ones and it's difficult to score . I personally don't really like any sports though .

EDIT: Another thing that bugs me about soccer which I discovered watching parts the World Cup this year is that everytime a player get's tapped, they act like they just experienced a near death experience, and have to be carried off the field in a stretcher only to return perfectly fine 30 seconds later.

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Not much a football fan, but I am an Ohioan... Wooot! Some pride for this poor little piece of dirt!

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I live in columbus, and it was a home game. I just parked my pretty little car in the garage and didn't go anywhere. (except a wedding earlier that morning) I've seen what traffic is like downtown during the big game last year. The riots tend to be even more destructive when we win the games.

I love to play soccer, did so for many years. But I cannot sit and watch soccer, its as boring as golf.

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Quote: "unless you're from UK, in that case you're excused"
Or anywhere else in the world...

Quote: "But I cannot sit and watch soccer, its as boring as golf"
Just replace that with "football" (the beautiful game) for everyone else in the world (or 5 year olds who call it soccer). You know the game where you use your foot to kick a ball (totally round object) for the majority of the time. Isn't American football the one like Rugby except they wear body armour and Kevlar and the like? Yuck yuck....

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@Matt Rock - Yes! another American who hates American football and likes soccer! I'm not alone!

I personally hate American football. It seems like they took rugby but added in pads and a bunch of stupid rules. Australian Rules football on the other hand is one of the coolest games ever made to watch. (not to play though)

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I recall hearing once that someone went to see a fight and an ice hockey match broke out...

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Isn't American football, just Rugby, but you wear more protective clothing than the British rugby?

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American Football and Rugby are as much akin to each other as American Football and Footie are. :\


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Quote: "but why didn't Michigan go for that two point conversion when it was 30 to 35?""


Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did, and they made it in. Cause that made the game come down to a field goal. From there, each team scored one more touchdown and extra point making it 42 to 39.

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Awesome Ninja, we're two of a kind hehe

Quote: "With football it's impossible to explain it like that"

Not really: "run down a field carrying a peculiar-shaped 'ball' and run over a big white line before a bunch of fat guys knock you down and pile onto you." People who don't understand International Football/ Soccer/ whatever you want to call it, to them, it seems easy, but there's far more to it than just "kicking a ball into a net," the same as there's more to American Football than "running over a big white line." The differences are far too many to count, but there's a few zillion reasons why I'd say "soccer" is more difficult than american football. For instance, in the latter, they spend a lot of time standing around yelling numbers at each other, then slamming into each other, but not much time actually moving. In soccer, you're always moving, maximizing your fluidity in motion while trying to outwit everyone else. In american football, the phrase "outwit" has more than likely never been used... they have a coach who says "okay guys, I want you to hit them like this," and then wham, everyone tries to kill each other. There's nothing elegant or beautiful about American Football, and that's why it hasn't garnished any sort of international following, and never will. And as several people have mentioned, American football is really just rugby, but with better protective gear. Americans don't like soccer, perhaps they never will, but 3 billion people around the world can't be wrong

For the record, I'm only referring to it as "soccer" to differentiate it from American "football." Just wanted to keep from getting crucified


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Quote: "America's World Cup team could get into a semi-final "


Unlikely, we just don't have the athletes for it, face it the players we have are the guys who are not good enough to play football, baseball, or basketball. The reason, there is no money in soccer, a minor league baseball player can make as much. Womens soccer is much bigger here and probably will be for a long time.

Quote: "american football, the phrase "outwit" has more than likely never been used... "


Matt have to guess you never played organized american football, I'm sorry man there is no more complex, precision based, thought out sport that I am aware of. Now there could be some weird game down in antartica somewhere I have not played but those aside. I played Organized Soccer, and football, baseball, and basketball. Basketball is by far the least complex and any outwitting is done on a one on one basis almost always. As for always moving in soccer and not football, its not the quantity of movement but the quality There is a reason the NFL season is only 16 games, you get killed, take a look at a lineman after a game both arms are bruises from top to bottom from the initial clash during each play. 32 is ancient in football and the point when guys start getting their hip replacements, 5th knee surgery, and 2nd back surgery.

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There's no money in American soccer (unfortunately), but it's far different in Europe. What kind of salary is David Beckham earning with Real? He's just a substitute now (he married a spice girl, what do you expect lol), but still, isn't it like 30 million pounds per season or something like that? That's not too shabby. American players don't make much in contrast: Freddy Adu makes a guaranteed $550,000, according to this article I found in the Washington post. But it's kind of a catch 22... they can't win if they don't make money, they can't make money if they don't get more popular. Ack, paradox

You're right, I never played American Football. In high school I played soccer, a right wing striker. My left wing and my coach were both british and that probably contributed to my lack of respect for american football. That team rocked too, it sucks because I had my car accident in High School and that pretty much ended any chance I had at a soccer scholarship or any sort of career in the game. I miss the pitch We made the 4-4-2(g) tactic work so perfectly! But eh, what can be done. Someday maybe after I have kids I can force them into the sport lol nothing evil about that is there?


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Yah I don't see what the big deal is with American football either. Way too many rules as far as I'm concerned, and tons of plays that people have memorized.

I enjoy watching soccer, and even won an official World Cup soccer ball from Germany this year from work. Pretty cool

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I remember when you got that. Dang it! I want one hehe. I've been talking to my girlfriend a lot lately about wanting to see a world cup. It would be awesome if they did it in the States or in Canada so I could actually afford to travel and see it, but I doubt that'll happen for a super long time


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I'd like to see a football team face off against a rugby team, a game of each.

Put money on a game, it becomes much more interesting to watch.

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Too bad michigan lost, even though I'm not much of a football fan (or a sports fan for that matter).

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Wow Matt, interesting read that salary article, amazing the number of guys playing for less than they would make at McDonalds as a proffesional athlete. Freddy Adu got signed for that much for one reason, to get people interested and hopefully to the games. Still that is squat compared to the other sports hell a 3rd string lineman in the NFL can make $500,000 easy.

Soccer is gaining ground here, and I attribute its world wide popularity to two things. 1) You can grasp the basics and be playing in a matter of minutes. 2) its cheap, all you need is a ball and if you play on a serious team some cleates. In contrast american football can set you back an easy $4,000 for your gear and that is buying cheap stuff, so especially in many of the poorer countries things like soccer, running, even basketball are inexpensive enough to play. Likely why Kenyan's are so dominant in marathons, it is something they can afford to train for.

I think for it to become more accepted here is really going to rely on women. Mens leagues have started and folded so many times, but there is genuine interest in women's leagues.

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I live in michigan. Here is the point they are still ranked #2 and ohio is ranked #1, so guess what. They are going to be playing again. Then we will see if michigan really sucks.
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Have to say Michigan got lucky like that though, in the coaches poll they got a great deal of votes because people understand what happened, any other time they would have dropped to #5 minimum with a loss this late in the season. In college football its not about who you lose to, but when you lose.

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Its interesting we were talking about how Soccer hasn't really caught on in the US - at work we've just released a new report on the commercial opportunities in north America.

http://www.sportbusiness.com/reports/160439/soccer-in-north-america-the-commercial-opportunities

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soccer
rugby league
rugby union
gaelic football
aussie rules
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which one are you talking about please?

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so someone wants you to pay 695(dont have that key) for a report to tell you there is alot of room for soccer expansion in the US? like you need a report for that.

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Hobgoblin... Either:
1) there is more to it than you realise, hence the hefty price
or
2) you do indeed already know exactly whats in the report in which case you could write a similar one yourself and publish it for the same price.


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Quote: "We made the 4-4-2(g) tactic work so perfectly"


As long as you got good halfbacks, you shouldn't need more than 2 fulls. Or if you just got 4 really good forwards that never let the ball go! I played for years and preferred center half or sweeper, but I only ever played for 1 team where the couch would allow a sweeper. Funny how a team wins more when the couch actually listens to the players. :/


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Quote: "It would be awesome if they did it in the States or in Canada so I could actually afford to travel and see it, but I doubt that'll happen for a super long time"


Dude get in line.

You had it like 16 years ago. We haven't had it for 40! And we invented it.

Football is simply the greatest sport ever, ever.

I just can't describe the joy of watching an awesome team click. It's like there's some overlord controlling the move. You watch Arsenal at their best (or Chelsea and Man U, actually recently they've learnt to play pretty), and the team is just like some fluid that gushes through the other team. They just look like wooden pegs that can't do anything to stop the advancing wave, it just washes through them. Like Fabregas will just aimlessly, lazily almost, push the ball right in the middle of nowhere and you're like "Meh?!", then Bam! there's Henry and the ball just rolls perfectly into place so he can plant it without breaking his stride. It's like a magic trick or something.

Then you have the phenomenal technical skill of the top players. The way Lampard and Henry kick, it's like they stroke the ball away. Once when Chelsea were accussed of rushing Lampard back to fitness, Mourinho said "come and watch after training, and tell me if he's OK". He stood in the centre circle with a bag of balls and proceded to kick one after another into both nets with both feet.

And the other thing that is unbelievable is watching a world class centre back (like Terry or Cannavarro) just OWN a penalty box. Those guys aren't fast, but they're so good at reading the game that they just always make the right decision instantly.

Did anyone else watch Arsenal just win 3-1 from 0-1?
Beautiful. But Man U lost... ho hum... still hoping for an all English CL final.

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