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Siolis
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 09:38
What are best books or audio books you guys know of cus im looking for a new one? Currently im absorbed in my second run of Harry Potter but im on the sixth audio book and need a new one. I like Lord of the rings so i might get those next but ive read the books so i would like to find a good new one.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 09:40
If you want a reallllly loooong series thats not even finished if i think correctly you could look into The Wheel of Time Series by Robert Jordan. I'm on the tenth book right now and love the whole series.

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You need some Terry Pratchett, great characters and humour, probably right up your street if you like the Potter series and LOTR. If I had to recommend 1 Pratchett book it would be MORT, a very funny story about Death's summer holidays. Guards Guards is one of the first in the series and is well worth a read too.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 10:14
Flowers for Algenon(sp?)

Amazingly written and so poignant. Its a short story though

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Quote: "Flowers for Algenon(sp?)"


if you haven't read the story don't read this:


If it's the story i think it is, I hate it. But thats just me...

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 11:34
Lol, yer its that one. I loved it. Then again, I love delicately written short stories. It's so difficult to fit a powerful narrative into a few pages. Love the short story.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 11:34
You might want to have a look at Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series of books. It's a fantasy story like LotR, longer though (11 books I think, I'm only on 3rd).

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 12:37
@Kentaree - If you look a few posts above yours, you'll find the same series recommended. When you get to the 7th book around,you get all these different plot lines which gets really annoying. Like first he starts out with one character and then switches to another and then another and he always ends each section with a cliffhanger!! I still like em though.

On the original topic, you could check out some of the dragonlance books. They're based I think in the D&D worlds and are very well written. Hope you find something that suits you.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 18:11 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2006 21:07
I like reading Edgar Allen Poe, pure genius, I've had a liking for Kazuo Ishiguro recently(yeah he's Japanese, but grew up in England) I've been studying his novel, 'Remains of the day' (Also a movie starring Emma Thompson, Anthony Hopkins, James Fox, Hugh Grant and Christopher Reeve) which is a really good book, about a Butler (Hopkins) named Stevens who has wasted most of his life working day in and day out for Lord Darlington, and doing all he is told, after his death, Stevens finds himself working for an American employer in the same house where there is a staffing problem, he is told to take his first holiday in his life (He's over 60) where he hopes to solve his staffing problem by travelling through English countryside to meet a friend who used to work as house keeper with him at Darlington Hall, but finds himself thinking back to the past on his journey and realising who Lord Darlington really was (A Nazi sympathesisor) and that the house keeper Miss Kenton always had the hots for him, but being the arrogant bas**** he is he never realised it, beginning to see how he has wasted all those years.

His last book seems to be what 'The Island' was based on.

Also look at Animal Farm or 1984 by George Orwell, any of the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice, Stephen King or if you're into Poetry, I think John Keats is god, for that read Hyperion: A fragment (A 20 page unfinished poem) Endymion (a 40 page poem) and Fall of Hyperion: A dream (15 pages) I think he is a genius as far as poetry goes. And well the Hannibal Lector trilogy by Thomas Harris are excellent (Red Dragon, The Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal) But avoid Jane Austin, her work is so dry, I was having an argument with a girl earlier, because we're doing Shakespeare instead of Austin this year, she was saying how she doesn't like Shakespeare and how I don't like Austin for her dryness.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 18:13 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2006 19:34
I hate book. book is stupid....

Hitchhikers Guide, 'nuff said.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 18:22
I hate book. book is stupid.




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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 18:50
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Because we were leaving it for someone worthy enough to utter those words I mean such brilliant quotes if written could burn our fingers off or if spoken our tongues explode...

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 19:23
Dammit Fallout...

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 19:27 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2006 19:29
hahaha. I always beat PowerSoft to the punchline.

@Seppuku ... admit it! I just got there first!

Btw, I am very uncultured and I dont actually read books. So like I said in another thread. I dont read book. I is stupid. Otherwise I would've given a productive response.


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Oh yea Fallout..... re-read my post...

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Apprentice Adept series by Piers Anthony, or Xanth series. Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar, Tarzan the Terrible (oh hell Edgar Rice Burroughs in general).

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You will pay!!!!

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I'll guess I'll be your pawn...

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My favorite is still I, Robot by Isaac Asimov. The movie is nothing like the book... the movie is more like the old comic Magnus Robot Fighter.

I, Robot Book:
http://www.amazon.com/I-Robot-Isaac-Asimov/dp/0553294385

Magnus Robot Fighter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus,_Robot_Fighter
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2006 21:23
Fallout...you l4m3r...

Some people are soooooo immature...

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Which is why the world is such a wonderful place to live in.

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I can easily suggest The Erevis Cale Trilogy (Twilight Falling, Dawn of Night, and Midnight's Mask), by Paul S. Kemp. Must be the best of his works easily, and it really brings you into the story.

I can also suggest The Pendragon series, by D.J. MacHale if you're looking for something easy to read and get into.

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Ender's Game/Ender's Shadow series, Pendragon, Eragon
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Ahahah! IN UR FACE POWERSOFT!! *moonwalks*






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I've been targeted...the thing is a wire transfer can only buy you so much.....for the rest you have to be like Jack Bauer....


I'm onto your case....




As I said....immature....




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Firstly, I and my 80gig iPod are currently into Audio books, so nothing too obscure if you would. Secondly, poetry, me, reading...LMFAOTADNTUAHJOM*...the only thing worse than Poetry is Art but not by a mile I can tell you and I’m a genius. Thirdly, I’m hearing Terry Pratchett, although I never really thought his work was my style as I like classic high fantasy, not off-beat abstractionist humor stuff but I might give it a go simply because he dose Death. Last but not least I am interested in the Wheel of time series but unless they do Audio books I doubt I will ever read it cus I just don’t have time to sit a read when I could listen and work, hence why I’m thinking LOTR and the Hobbit on Audio book though iTunes sounds good and Terry Pratchett.

*Laughing my ass off till a doctor needs to use a heart jolter on me...

PS: God dam mods, my sig wasnt that freaking big.

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Quote: "Secondly, poetry, me, reading...LMFAOTADNTUAHJOM*...the only thing worse than Poetry is Art but not by a mile I can tell you and I’m a genius."


Then you're a close minded fool, poetry is a form, but to say it sucks is like saying story sucks, you can dislike poetry and not like any of the poetry you've come across, but to say that poetry sucks, for that I ask you to write me a Sestina, a Sonnet and a Villanelle that all work. And for Art, well more close mindedness, you may be a genius, but you'd be an idiot to be so close minded.

Oh and cheers...fall out...wait £1? You $%(%ing scammer...I'm gonna tell my psychiatrist on you.

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Watch the language. And yes it was over 600x120 which is why I removed it.

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I don't think it's been mentioned yet: His Dark Materials Trilogy. A set of three books by Philip Pullman, they're a bit hard to get into, and quite deep, but very good!

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Quote: "[quote]Quote: "Secondly, poetry, me, reading...LMFAOTADNTUAHJOM*...the only thing worse than Poetry is Art but not by a mile I can tell you and I’m a genius.""


Then you're a close minded fool, poetry is a form, but to say it sucks is like saying story sucks, you can dislike poetry and not like any of the poetry you've come across, but to say that poetry sucks, for that I ask you to write me a Sestina, a Sonnet and a Villanelle that all work. And for Art, well more close mindedness, you may be a genius, but you'd be an idiot to be so close minded.[/quote]

Ok firstly, I knew you were going to say that and secondly, you have no idea how much stuff I understand and what I can understand and I’ve never liked Poetry.

Poetry simply rubbish because its normally abstract nonsense with some idiot using as few words as possible to try and mean something else which has nothing to do with what they are actually saying, which usually ends up sounding like BS. I also will never write any kind of poem and will not be taking your little request, firstly because, as I say, it’s a load of tripe and secondly, I am programmer, a games designer and a documentation writer not a document vending machine where you slot in insults and expect proof of my intelligence.

Also I am not close-minded; I highly appreciate the quality of classic writing and writers such as Shakespeare and Elliot and with most forms of written or otherwise produced media with the exception of Art. Just because I do not hold high the literary form of poetry dose not give you the right to say that I don’t or cant do so.

Quote: "Quote: "PS: God dam mods, my sig wasnt that freaking big."

Watch the language. And yes it was over 600x120 which is why I removed it."


Now normally I produce a knee-jerk response here of telling you where to go for telling me to "watch my language" which, asides from not being rude just then, I do anyway and even if I choose not to, no one corrects me without getting an ear full BUT instead ill just say, you people are all the same, remove the rod from you know where and that I was joking, its just a bit annoying that I have to now redo it entirely that's all. Plus did you have to litter this thread with that nonsense, cant mods use e-mail?

Now on-topic; going back on what I said I may be able to read a few books at Christmas so keep the suggestions coming.

Quote: "On the original topic, you could check out some of the dragonlance books. They're based I think in the D&D worlds and are very well written. Hope you find something that suits you. "


Aren’t the Dragonlance books based in Ebberon? If so I might just read some of them cus I’ve done a lot of the forgotten realms stuff but never any Ebberon.

Also ive currently got a lil list of suggestions made thus far:

The Wheel of Time Series by Robert Jordan
Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series
Flowers for Algenon(sp?)
Dragonlance (DnD Stories)
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
i-Robot by Isaac Asimov
The Erevis Cale Trilogy (Twilight Falling, Dawn of Night, and Midnight's Mask), by Paul S. Kemp.
The Pendragon series, by D.J. MacHale
Ender's Game/Ender's Shadow series,
Eragon
His Dark Materials Trilogy, A set of three books by Philip Pullman

And a couple by me:

The Black Magician Trilogy by Trudi Canavan, excellently written story
Anything by Saun Hutson (Hybrid is the best imo), totally scary but you better like your blood
Harry Potter 1-6 and 7 when released is probably one of the best modern day classics around imo

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Quote: "Aren’t the Dragonlance books based in Ebberon? If so I might just read some of them cus I’ve done a lot of the forgotten realms stuff but never any Ebberon."


No Dragonlance takes place in the world of Krynn and was written by Margret Wise and Traci Hickman (an excellent pair). Ebberon is only just a few years old.

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Communion, it says its a true story but its about aliens so I call it fiction. It's a fairly large book. And you can buy it used on Amazon for 1 penny.

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@Siolis: And you're a genius how? Not in a social sense anyway

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Quote: "@Siolis: And you're a genius how? Not in a social sense anyway"


Or grammatical

Quote: "Poetry simply rubbish because its normally abstract nonsense with some idiot using as few words as possible to try and mean something else which has nothing to do with what they are actually saying, which usually ends up sounding like BS. I also will never write any kind of poem and will not be taking your little request, firstly because, as I say, it’s a load of tripe and secondly, I am programmer, a games designer and a documentation writer not a document vending machine where you slot in insults and expect proof of my intelligence.
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You obviously fail to see what it is, I am a poet myself, when I read or write poetry it doesn't look like BS, the whole abstract thing is to provoke thought, not knowledge, a poem wouldn't be very effective if it expressed things black and white, without any of the techniques used for effect. poetry is based on passion and expression, or even used for political ideas, as other forms of expression are not able to channel that passion in the same way. You're obviously the kind of person who sees black and white and the abstracts don't work for you.

Quote: "Also I am not close-minded; I highly appreciate the quality of classic writing and writers such as Shakespeare"


Shakespeares work follows the form and typical shakespearean rules for poetry.

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Quote: "Now normally I produce a knee-jerk response here of telling you where to go for telling me to "watch my language" which, asides from not being rude just then, I do anyway and even if I choose not to, no one corrects me without getting an ear full BUT instead ill just say, you people are all the same, remove the rod from you know where and that I was joking, its just a bit annoying that I have to now redo it entirely that's all. Plus did you have to litter this thread with that nonsense, cant mods use e-mail?"


Can't you abide by the rules of this forum?

Think about it - you broke the sig rule, then complained when a mod removed your sig, then did it again, and you expect mods to email you personally about your bitching about it. Yeah, you should get used to it, but with your current attitude you might not have to.

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Anyways...


Robert Rankin, ('hollow chocolate bunnies of the apocolypse')
Terry Pratchett, (nearly every book though 'Small Gods' is my fav)
Neil Gaimen ('Good Omens' or 'Anansi Boys')
Jasper FForde ( 'the big over easy' and 'the fourth bear')

for a bit more of a serious read
Pompeii by Robert Harris is quite good
or i quite liked 'Rule of four' by Ian caldwell though it did kind of remind me of the da vinci code.

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NEIL GAIMEN'S SANDMAN! Best thing ever written and drawn (note the and) supposedly.

Ive never read the devinci code, any good?

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I didn't get time to finish what I had to say, so here is a continuation from it.

From Shakespeare, it seems odd that you can appreciate the works of Shakespeare and at the same time call poetry crap, Shakespeare is basically a Shakespearean piece of poetry in the form of the play without any rhyme (but a Poem doesn't have to rhyme) its follows all of the basic principles, verse, rhythm, feet and metres and not to mentioned packed with all of the poetic language and techniques, it seems very odd indeed.

Plus an open minded person wouldn't turn around and call Poetry and Art crap, they would say they show no interest in it, fair enough, but turning around and calling them crap isn't what an open minded person would do, because they would be open to the idea that poetry and art is good, but just not for you, for poetry and art to be crap, it wouldn't fulfil its purpose, but they do fulfil their purposes.

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Insults come at your rudeness and well I was insulted by the fact you laughed at poetry and called it crap, I'm a poet, I would be insulted because you would be calling my work crap. As for the question on your intelligence, well you're calling poetry crap, it was a request to see whether or not you understand poetry well enough to even come near to that a reasonable conclusion, I didn't used to like Poetry, I never laughed at it and call it crap, it just seemed odd to me, later I found my self getting into it, fine if you don't like it, but avoid insulting it, or laughing at it, it does kind of piss people off who like it, those who write it.

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Quote: "Now normally I produce a knee-jerk response here of telling you where to go for telling me to "watch my language" which, asides from not being rude just then, I do anyway and even if I choose not to, no one corrects me without getting an ear full BUT instead ill just say, you people are all the same, remove the rod from you know where and that I was joking, its just a bit annoying that I have to now redo it entirely that's all."


Actually it works the other way around. If *you* have an issue with me, you email me instead of make it public. I removed your sig because it broke the rules, so just leave it.

Quote: " Plus did you have to litter this thread with that nonsense, cant mods use e-mail?"


You brought it up, Sherlock

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You read the Golden Compass yet?

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I took a creative writing class in college once. It should of been called "creative poetry" because that's all the teacher wanted. Before that class I never wrote poetry in my life. I don't have anything against poetry or poets... but everybody in that class seemed to have deep psychological problems (including the teacher). All my poetry had no deep meaning... it was just meant to be funny... and everybody hated me for that.

I made some deep thoughts (like the ones in Saturday Night Live) and showed it to the teacher. She told me to make it into a story. I told her that's the way "deep thoughts" are suppose to be. She still wanted me to change it. I thought a "creative writing" teacher should be... I don't know... open minded.

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I'm going to do creative writing next year for university, I'm afraid there are places where you can do that course have some bias depending on the teachers/tutors luckily all of the places I've been looking at to study are mostly already. Your teacher sounds like a tool, I would have gotten some research on deep thoughts and throw it in their face.

[edit]
Nice thoughts.

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Quote: "I'm afraid there are places where you can do that course have some bias depending on the teachers/tutors luckily all of the places I've been looking at to study are mostly already. "


This is basically every teacher, especially at Uni, no matter what the subject is except perhaps Math where its hard to bias. History is a shining example of a teachers Bias/slant on things. In my Ancient History course the instructor put such a feminist spin on things you would have thought men barely existed, she was also huge on pushing the whole "Goddess" thing.

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Quote: "You read the Golden Compass yet?"


Can't believe they renamed that... it's suppose to be called Northern Lights.

Makes more sense, I suppose, because then the names are the three objects.

But guess what?!?!

I might be in the film of The Golden Compass, because they were filming it in Oxford when I was visiting my brother. (Exeter College is my brother's and Phillip Pullman's...)

Anyway, they were filming with a load of extras and I just pretended to be one of them. I got directed to walk across in the background while they were filming a cat...

Anyway I didn't see Nicole Kidman or Daniel Craig, but I did get to see an acting cat!

Not much chance of being in it probably, but I did go right at the front and tried to make sure I was in shot - dead cert was of getting it cut, no doubt.

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@ Seppuku Arts

Shut up.

@ Jeku

Yes and i was joking but if you had mailed me then it wouldn’t have littered an on topic thread with off topic 1-1 convo would it? Anyway, drop it, ill edit it later at some point and I apologize if that will make you happy.

@ QuothTheRaven

No I haven’t, care to share some details, what is it, high fantasy?

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@ Seppuku Arts

I know you’re going to go on for another post or two about it but I won’t be cus I just can’t be asked to argue with you, nor anyone else anymore. Got a problem with that, e-mail me and let it land in my spam box instead of this thread which could be interesting if people would just stay on topic and that’s not an excuse for not arguing with you, I’ve give my reason for that. Alternatively, try posting a topic about it and see if anyone really cares, unlike me.

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Siolis - Lol mate, grow a brain. Shakespeare wrote heaps of poetry. To be the cultured genius that you say you are, I would assume you have read, or at least acknowledged the existence of Shakespeare's sonnets? They are a form of poetry. Poetry doesn't need to be all the emo crap that you get from teens and stoners, it can be beautifully written windows into a point of view. A lot of great writers have had their hand at poetry at some stage.

@ Sepp - I did creative writing at Uni, loved it. That was one of my favorite subjects. Hope you enjoy it as I did!!

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Posted: 23rd Nov 2006 23:34 Edited at: 23rd Nov 2006 23:37
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You do realise that sort of attitude gets people banned From what I've learnt about and observed from arguments, that's basically what happens when they have don't anything to say any more.

To be honest, the argument was on your turf because of your own doing, its your attitude and basically your response to my first post I found offensive, so I say if you want to avoid people flaming you, then avoid being an offensive/bad attitude person, I'm a chilled out guy, but I don't like it when people start getting arsey or directly or indirectly insult/offend me.


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Quote: "@ Sepp - I did creative writing at Uni, loved it. That was one of my favorite subjects. Hope you enjoy it as I did!!"


Sweet, the Uni advisor person in 6th form is trying to grab me funding to do a diploma in creative writing to do alongside this year of a levels. For uni, I've filled up my application, I just need to make sure the unis I put down are the unis I want to apply for and whether or not I am deferring it for a gap year.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2006 00:25 Edited at: 24th Nov 2006 00:27
If you want a great series of audio books, I thoughly recommend Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. I think he's written 27 so far, and they are all on audiable.co.uk or audiable.com if you're in the states. Start of with Going Postal, or Witches Abroad, they are good books to start off with.

In fact I happen to be listening to Reaper Man, by the same author. It's definately good fun.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2006 01:02
The "Enders Game" series... good stuff.
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Posted: 24th Nov 2006 03:45
Well... Salvatore made some good Forgotten Realms books known as the Icewind Dale trilogy, the Dark Elf Trilogy, and the Legacy of the Drow which are really really worth getting into. They all tie together closely, too, which is nice.


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