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Geek Culture / Milk Paton Show frame by frame helper wanted!

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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 11:25 Edited at: 26th Nov 2006 11:27
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Hi everyone,

A family member of mine has died, so I am now much shorter of time because I am doing labouring work for my Dad while he grieves and also because of funerals / travelling etc... over the coming weeks.

None the less, I have a deadline to meet for a feature length Milk Paton and now I've got a strong resolve to get it done before Christmas. (I've got other plans for next year)

[B]What I'm looking for[/b]
I'm looking for to cut out frames for me; this involves me sending the frames across in in a big BMP zip, and then you cutting them out - well - in MSPaint and zipping / FTPing back. Please note the frames are NOT filmed against a nice green background, this is real nitty gritty cutting out work, and I need it done properly.



So, I'm looking for someone

- With patience and a couple of hours free.
- Who can work QUICKLY. Time is pretty important here.
- Broadband
- FTP client

If anyone would be interested, please email me at MilkPaton@ddrw.com ; it would help me out no end.

This isnt' really a fun job, it needs to be done to a high calibre and it takes alot of time. You can see here how I've done it using the "Curve" tool in Paint. Because of the darkness involved and the colour of the wall, the Magic Wand doesn't cut it.



I'm looking for there to be NO bleed from the walls in the area you cut out, as this results in there being a line of wall around the person upon insertion of the chroma, which is of no use.

Thankyou in advance!
Mods I realise this is kind of a cheeky post but I really need the help.

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Kenjar
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 12:47 Edited at: 26th Nov 2006 12:50
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Ohh, green screening... without the green. Sounds like a nightmare. Are you offering payment?

Sorry about the death in your family. I hope your father takes the time he needs.

P.S. Paint Shop Pro's edge detection tools would make this task easier. MS Paint is utterly usless for this kind of thing. No feathering, no alpha support, there's about 100 better programs to use, that would easily speed up the process.


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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 13:11
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Thankyou Kenjar, thats much appreciated.

Yes, I am offering small payment, but I didn't want to mention it as it makes this thread seem like I'm hiring which is against the AUP.

I do NOT want feathering, I want it with jaggies so I can work with it myself. The way I've specified is the way it needs to be done. Paint Shop Pro kind of sucks when the wall colour is the same as the skin colour; it needs to be done by hand.

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Kenjar
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Just zoom into the difficult area's and do it a few pixals at a time, on the less difficult area's it speeds things up massively. Feathering can be turned off under the options panels.


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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 14:09
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Doesnt work. It either eats into the person or Leaves a bleed of wall. And even if the way you described worked, its not as fast as doing some crazy curves round the outline as shown above.

Paint.

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Kenjar
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 15:17 Edited at: 26th Nov 2006 15:20
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this took me all of 25 seconds do do, including the touchup around the edges. It's not lopping a bit of the guys head behind the ear nor is it lopping off parts of his head for the net three curves after the curve going up, after the ear. It has a soild transparacy in the background meaning it can be inserted into any frame. 100 times better than paint, done quickly and saved with a alpha transparancy channel.

It's a little untidy around some of the edges because I missed them with the retouch tool, and I had feathering turned off. Had I not, there would have been little or no need for the tool. My mistake, but like I said, 25 seconds, I timed myself.




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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 15:53
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Drew i'll do it i gave up coding completely so i'd have loads of free time , and please kenjar that pic is MASSIVE! link it please!!

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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 17:21
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Thanks all, I've gotten help; Chris, I might be in touch as well!

Drew out!

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Michael S
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Quote: "(I've got other plans for next year)"

Does this mean the X-mas one will be the last one?

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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 26th Nov 2006 17:38
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No it's not going to be the last one.

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Kaurotu
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Photoshop has a nice Magnetic Wand tool that is made for this kind of thing. You can easily cut out the actors and paste them on a green image.

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indi
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magnetic wand tool is primitive to say the least, the path/pen tool is what is used in commercial projects and for graphic design, called deep etching.
deep etching would suit this problem to a T, it also saves time because if ten frames are very similar you can tweak the path layer without re doing the whole cell again.

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PowerSoft
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How do you get the bmp's in the first place?

Do you just capture each individual frame?

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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 27th Nov 2006 10:23
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No, you can grab and export frames in Studio.

Thankyou Indi, I'll look into it.

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I would have used the magnetic wand tool, as it's what I know. That, with the frequency turned up to 80, and then select-modify-decrease (or whatever it's called) by 1 pixel and then clean up the tight corners by hand. Just because that's what I'm familiar with - the pen/path tool is a mysterious mystery to me

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Drew Cameron
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Ha ha, they came out very well Tinkergirl. Thankyou again!

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i've been doing a similar sort of thing for uni, but i've just been using my graphics tablet and drawing the mask by hand instead.

I don't have a sig, live with it.
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