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Geek Culture / inadequate forum rules

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moogal
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Posted: 29th Nov 2006 22:52
I read and responded to a thread here about Awakening 2.0, a 3D plug-in for web browsers. This thread is now locked prompting me to ask these two questions:

Where in the forum rules sticky does it say only TGC products can be discussed?

Which TGC product is this in direct competition with? (Certainly none that I'm aware of or I'd have likely purchased it.)
The crazy
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Posted: 29th Nov 2006 23:29
Hm... good point. I just read through the aup and didn't see anything about that. I heard of that being a rule somewhere but now that you mention it, I see it nowhere.

Quote: "Which TGC product is this in direct competition with?"


Maybe 3dGM? Beats me...

Grog Grueslayer
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 03:17
If I was a mod and I saw that post I would of locked it just because that persons first (and only) message was an ad for a product. Obviously he only joined to post that ad. Anybody that wants to advertise a product must ask first before posting.

I did a search on the internet... aaqiang is joined to several forums and every message he's talking about Awakening... to him we're just another place to drum up customers.

http://www.threedy.com/site/forum/search.php?searchid=788822

http://forums.awn.com/search.php?searchid=293495

http://www.devmaster.net/forums/search.php?searchid=112843

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/search.php?searchid=382092

Still think he's worthy of your support?
RUCCUS
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 03:30
Thats the reason right there, if your first few messages are solely based on advertising another program, the only thing mods can assume is you've created a forum account with the sole purpose of trying to get a site some hits, or a product some sales. If you saw a group of people talking, and you wanted to introduce yourself, you wouldnt go over and ask them to start using a new underwear brand, would you?

Hobgoblin Lord
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 03:34
Quote: "If you saw a group of people talking, and you wanted to introduce yourself, you wouldnt go over and ask them to start using a new underwear brand, would you?"


that depends, if it was a group of those idiots that wear their pants around their knees with the undies showing I might

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Agent Dink
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 04:22
Quote: "that depends, if it was a group of those idiots that wear their pants around their knees with the undies showing I might "


I saw one of those today!

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indi
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 06:02
We also need an addition to the selling of products within this site, hopefully Rich or someone at TGC will make a clear decision regarding this matter.

FredP
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 09:46
I agree.
We have members who basically only post when they are advetising something.
Give them a classified section.
Then the rest of the forum members can ignore that board if they don't want to buy anything (unless you are the poor soul that has to moderate the board).
It would also help keep the forums cleaner and more important posts can stay on top of the page.

Saikoro
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 09:54
I think indi meant an addition to the AUP, not addition to the forums


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FredP
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 10:03
Wiggett
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 10:54
both ideas are valid though

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Darth Vader
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 11:15
Quote: "that depends, if it was a group of those idiots that wear their pants around their knees with the undies showing I might"

I can't stand people who do that! Its so annoying!


Kenjar
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 13:56
If the product has been made to compliment DarkBASIC Professional (plugin's, level makers, world builders etc), then it's also helping to push DarkBASIC Professional. Same with Games, and other software made with DarkBASIC Professional, it's good promotional stuff for DarkBASIC Professional and related products, to see people producing stuff and trying to sell it.

However if a product is not related to DarkBASIC Professional, or designed to make the lives of DarkBASIC Professional programmers easier (in terms of creating their own games/ programs, not easier in the sense of not having to cut their bread, or shoes that make them run faster )then the post should be deleted, not simply locked.

transient
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 15:12
This software isn't really competition for TGC, as it's mainly demonstration software, like Quest or DxStudio.

I'm glad I found out about it as it has an excellent web3D viewer.

It may have been inappropriate, but it was pretty harmless.

IanM
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 17:04
Quote: "Which TGC product is this in direct competition with?"


That's not the point.

Who pays for these forums to exist? TGC. Why should they support someone else's advertising?

As a general rule, if the thread isn't related to any TGC or affiliate product, I will lock the thread, maybe delete the contents of the post, and then ask them to contact TGC to agree that the thread should be allowed.

BatVink
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 17:29 Edited at: 30th Nov 2006 17:32
It is in direct competition. TGC are paid for clicks on those ads you see down there, at the bottom of the page. Posting an ad is circumnavigating the system.

If you have a relevant product, stick it on adwords and it will get airtime here through the right channels.


But if a regular member here posted something, that would be different. That is a case of marketing yourself within a community that you are already part of. Like trying to sell underwear to your classmates, rather than strangers on the street.



Kenjar
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 19:30 Edited at: 30th Nov 2006 19:30
On the other hand, where is the line between discussing an interesting product, such as on the geek forums, and advertizing a product?

Grog Grueslayer
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Posted: 30th Nov 2006 22:50
The line is if somebody advertises a product they have a vested interest in it's a no-no. Because he has joined several forums and only talk about Awakening he must be making money from the sales.

It's ok if somebody wants to talk about a product that they have nothing to do with other than they use it or may want to use it.
BatVink
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 00:03
Quote: "The line is if somebody advertises a product they have a vested interest in it's a no-no"


I don't entirely agree with that one. For example, Wolf released EzRotate, but he'd already been here a long time and released his Tokamak wrapper for free.

Another example would be if people had already bought a product, and the author was on the forums helping people to use it effectively.



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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 01:56
Quote: "that depends, if it was a group of those idiots that wear their pants around their knees with the undies showing I might "


that reminds me of a "genious" that went by my house a few years ago. there were about 5 teens in a car driving past my house, they went by 4-5 times. there was a guy hanging his beenie cap out the window. on the fith pass, he accidentally dropped the beenie. they kept going. they went for another loop and when the guy stepped out of the car to get the beenie, his pants fell down.

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Bizar Guy
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 02:08
This isn't exactly on topic, but it sort of relates to the title, and I don't think what I want to ask is worth a whole new thread.

I was recently slapped for losing my temper with a new user on the wip board. I deserved it for how I responded, but my views on the matter are unchanged. If you see me on the wip usually I'm the one encouraging the user to put in things that will stop their thread from getting flamed, to give you an idea of how often I lose my temper over a newbish thread. I e-mailed the mod who slapped me to make sure he understood what I had meant in the post, so that... well, 'cause it seemed like the right thing to do. I didn't e-mail him to tell him the slap was undeserved, because it was.

I understood I'd have to wait for all my posts to show up for a while, but to my horror I found I can no longer edit my posts. I'm the kind of person who edits almost every post, because I often forget to say something and don't want to double post. Also, in threads for games I'm making, I need to edit a number of things because I don't want to make three posts in a row (like I'd need to in my current one just to say I'd found the e-mail rich had sent me), and I need to update the first post a lot to fit the current state of the game.

If this is a forum bug and not related to slaps I don't mind that really, as I know it will be back up soon. But if it is related to slaps, it seems like a real problem. Why couldn't edits to existing posts need a mod check before they update as well? Not being able to edit makes posting very difficult, and may contribute to people complaining that new users don't know how to use the edit button. It just seems a slap means your edits should need to be approved, not banned.

Or maybe I've got it wrong. Should I avoid the forum when I'm slapped? It seems like slapped people should be encouraged to use the forum so they can prove they've matured and no longer need it... And I don't want to avoid the forum. But I also don't want to make tons of posts just because my edit button stopped working.

I suppose I'm just not the kind of person who gets slapped often, because the usual people who get slapped don't seem to care about what they say at all and never edit...

FredP
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 02:20
If you are on post approval status a mod has to read and approve your post.
If you could edit your post then Post Approval status would be useless.
You could post something decent and then edit all the crap you wanted into it.
It's a pain for you and for us.
Until someone comes up with a better plan that is the way it works.
I am not saying you would do something like that but I know some people who would.

Peter H
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 02:36 Edited at: 1st Dec 2006 02:39
Quote: "If you could edit your post then Post Approval status would be useless.
You could post something decent and then edit all the crap you wanted into it."

Not if the edited post was put up for approval.

Really, did you even read his well thought out respectful post?

While we're talking about slaps and stuff... Indi has been really.... active lately... maybe he's just doing his job, but it seems like every thread i look in he's locked or slapped or something

*hides just in-case Indi comes for me*

[edit] seriously though, i haven't decided that he's overstepping his bounds(not that i would have a say if i did think so haha), just noticed that he's doing alot.

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FredP
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 02:42
I read his post and I understand his point of view.
That's just the way the post approval system works.
There's really nothing that we can do about it.
I agree his post was thought out and respectful and if I came across like a jerk that was not my intention.

Peter H
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 02:45 Edited at: 1st Dec 2006 02:46
yeah, i think you misunderstood him a little . he's talking about ways to improve the system (which only Rich would be able to do i believe). Not whining about the way it is.

So he wasn't really asking the moderators to fix anything, just Rich.

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 03:59 Edited at: 1st Dec 2006 04:00
nvm it was already said. post approval.

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