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Geek Culture / Free RC plane simulator

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Fallout
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 13:50
Just thought I'd post up this link. I'm into my RC planes although I'm still very much a beginner. I have 2 mates who have planes too and we go out, have dog fights, crash them into each other and the ground, then glue them back together and repeat. It's great fun. Obviously, crashing is never part of the plan, but it's often part of the day.

Anyways, I found this free simulator for RC planes. Unfortunately it doesnt simulate wind, and it's very basic graphics wise, but it gives a good insight into how tricky RC plane flying is. It's also great for practicing your axis logic etc. You'd be surprised how much it messes with your spacial awareness when you're flying towards yourself, inverted, and have to consider throttle, ailerons, rudder and elevators.

Here's the link if you fancy having a go:
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html

I would recommend a 4 axis joystick (left/right, up/down, twist (for rudder) and throttle). If you only have a 3 axis (no twist), configure the left/right for the ailerons and not the rudder, and just ignore the rudder (rudder is mainly useful for landing anyway).

One comment I would make is you're likely to think it's hard to see which way the plane is going when you fly away from you and it gets really small. That is EXACTLY what it's like in real life. The trick is to know what orientation the plane is based on limited visual information and knowledge of what inputs you've put into the controls.




Zotoaster
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 14:27
I truely hate the camera on these types of games.

Fallout
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 14:29
I know what you mean, but to be fair, it's not meant to be a game. It's a training tool for RC fliers.


Chris Franklin
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 14:32
Thanks for this fallout I've got an rc plane that i can't seem to get used to

Fallout
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 15:54
No probs. Mine is 3 channel (no ailerons) which I have down now, but 4 channel low wing planes do my head in. However, thanks to this puppy I'm getting used to them.

Inverted fly-overs are a good indication as to how well you're doing. Ailierons and elevator are inverted. You're flying the plane towards you, having to push down on the stick to keep the plane in the air and keep it level with opposite aileron controls, and then once it's gone past, you go back to normal aileron control, but you're still keeping the nose down to pull up ... especially hard a few meters off the ground. Many a time I go to pull out of the inversion and just stack it into the ground.

I think this sim could save me a lot of money on Locktite Super Steel.


dark donkey
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 16:14
wow! nice game, is ther any way to make the camera follow the plane (yes i no its not ment to)

BatVink
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 16:31
A friend of mine once made an RC plane. Don't know if they are all the same these days, but this one was made airborne by switching it on, letting it power up and literally throwing it into the air.

Anyway...he'd forgotten to put batteries in the radio control unit. So it wobbled for about 100 yards before crashing through some new window panes stacked up against the side wall of a house.

I think it just about doubled the cost of his first flight.



Fallout
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 16:59
Nice BatVink! Well, you can start RC planing for cheap these days. You can get a RTF (ready to fly) kit from ebay for around £70-£80. That'll include all the electrics you need. Once you smash that one beyond all repair, you can then by another airframe of whatever type you fancy for around £30-£60 and just transfer all the electronics across. Later you can go nitro and work your way up to the most expensive stuff. If all that's too steap, you can cut your teeth on a 2 channel cheapy plane for £20, that'll climb when you apply throttle and drive when you dont, and steer using directional engine force (Twin engine). They're fun to start out with.

My first plane had about 10 flights, a combined flight time of about 1 and half minutes, and about 10 re-gluing sessions. By the time I binned it, it probably had more Super Steel glue in it then fussilage. I went for an advanced pilot 4 channel warbird (spitfire) to start with though. Big mistake. But I moved all the electrics I got with it to my new plane, so I've not lost much money and gained a lot of experience.

It's a great hobby, because it's not expensive (especially compared with my RC monster truck hobby), it's very challenging and there's a huge scope to slowly move up through model quality and difficulty. With my RC truck I bought at the top of the range and that was that. With this you can't do that, so I can look forward to buying better and better models and being able to do more tricks and aerobatics, and moving from electric, to nitro, to jet powered. Also progress through 3,4 up to 8 channels.

Eventually you can get into 3D flying, which is where the power of the engine is greater than force of gavity on the plane, so you can hover it, do flips and stunts and even fly indoors. Crazy stuff.


Peter H
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 17:07
haha, yeah, my dad and i fly a RC plane occasionally (and have mixed quite a few batches of 5 minute epoxy ), but my uncle is really really into it (he can take one of those 3D flyers and have it's tail touch the ground then go back up )

anyway, it's definitely like that with the bad camera angle and difficulty at distances in real life. (hint: never, never fly into the sun in the late afternoon )

One man, one lawnmower, plenty of angry groundhogs.
CJD
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 17:52
I got a basic r/c plane a while back. It had quite a claim with 'The Amazing Virtually Indestructible R/C Plane' name printed in big fat red letters on the box.

Unfortunatly it was only virtually indestructable as on the 4th flight i flew it into a tree (deliberatly of course) and the motor powering the propeller broke. Couldn't find the receipt and now it flys in circles, if it ever gets off the ground at all.

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Kentaree
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 17:58
Well in all fairness, if you're stupid enough to do that you kinda deserve it At least check you have the receipt next time before you try stuff like this

dark donkey
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 20:29
wait, theas rc planes they sound intresting do you actually fly in them or do you control it with a remote

Peter H
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 20:31
with a remote (they are very small )

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Hobbyman
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Posted: 1st Dec 2006 21:40
wind (including gusts) is under simulation/wind options, I have 12 or so models and keep on form by practising in fms with an E-sky controler (looks like an rc remote control that plugs into the usb port), just finished a ducted fan Mig15, I fly a lot of gliders too, nothing better than prowling about trying to stay up on whatever lift you can find, if you use the wind setting then the gusts are added onto the windspeed ie wind=2ms gusts=0.25 gives winds from 2 to 2.25ms, chuck in some thermal too (under the same menu heading) to make the air a little lumpy, you can download some extra models too, maybe post some piccys once I am off the newbie list, if you can`t work out what direction the wind is blowing (handy to know when trying to land) then set it to 50ms or something like that and see which way the model goes LOL

Hobbyman

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