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UnderLord
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Posted: 3rd Dec 2006 06:01 Edited at: 3rd Dec 2006 23:50
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2570717&CatId=2513

CRAZY CARDS, i'll get one some day....

mod edit: the same exact link was double posted so I removed one -cr

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Yep.Maybe I will hit the lottery or something...

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Hobgoblin Lord
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Gee for that price I think i'll buy two

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Chris Franklin
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Posted: 3rd Dec 2006 11:16
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My friend's got one of them already i'll go borrow it in think

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 3rd Dec 2006 11:46
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That's not too bad, I mean my new computer will have an over £200 card stuck in it, that seems to work out to be like £350 (estimate) I'll probably buy myself one of those afterwards as well.

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Kenjar
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Posted: 3rd Dec 2006 19:19
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also consider that Ageia's physics X is about £200 and £150 for a high range 7900 card (plus of cause it's higher in performance) it's still pretty good value for money. Ageia isn't exactly widely supported, and nVidia cards will likely be supported in the future.


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Posted: 3rd Dec 2006 23:49
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crazy.
my single pci-express nv 6800 ultra 256 is still the dogz arse at the moment

after vista and dx10 have been out for a while I will consider upgrading. for now, all ok.



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Kenjar
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I'll upgrade when the 8600 comes out and is down to the £80 mark.


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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 02:41
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Jan 2007 when christmas is over and the stores are hurting would be a good time to invest.
hmm now what to buy..

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sneaky smith12
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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 02:47
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why have a graphics card that good when your program is still back a few years?

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 18:48
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Quote: "why have a graphics card that good when your program is still back a few years?"


Simple, games, future proofing, more power to your programs, considering Dark Basic's future of DX10 capabilities on Vista. Also, DBP is less than a few years behind, it makes the best use it can of the latest Direct X 9.0c drivers, which has left it open for a lot of current generation shaders, professional physics, lighting and AI, so its not all that behind, it just requires the person using it to be up to date is all

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Torsten Sorensen
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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 20:47
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I might just have to get one of those...once I have a working PC...

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Well, I'm not getting a DX10 card till I get Vista as there is no need yet. But of course we are all bound to get Vista some day or be lost in the past. And one day, these cards will be on the bargain rack at your nearest office store. Though I don't plan to wait THAT long. Just until I have enough cash to keep the moths out of my wallet after I buy the 2 items.

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Kenjar
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Oh I dunno, I've managed to skip XP completely, dispute numerous programs requiring it!


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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 22:35
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Yes, I know many people that still use 95!

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 01:21 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 01:21
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Well XP doesn't support DirectX 10, so under most cases you probably won't be able to run any 3d app requiring vista if it was created with DX 10. You can probably still run some software that "requires Vista" just because they always stamp the newest Window's OS on boxes just to try to sell more copies of Windows.

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Kenjar
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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 12:27
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There's already a user hacked version of Direct X 10 floating around.


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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 12:38
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and that's a permission to use it?
have you no respect for the coders before you?
guess not. not the sharpest tool in the shed are you m8.
general respect for the industry your in allows for all people along the food chain to gain respect and remuneration. you turned fast for the bad kenjar, guess it was in all the time.
heh kids

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 13:14 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 13:21
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Up until now, Direct X has been portable between the various Windows operating systems. I find this new trend of not allowing Direct X 10 to be installed in previous OS's somewhat disturbing. Microsoft has been denying with users still running Windows XP access to their lastest games and software. Now the free stuff like Windows Media Player is one thing, as is internet explorer 7. This is "encouragement" to upgrade. Vista is taking it futher and "forcing" users to upgrade. I also object to paid for games, such as Age of Empires III requiring "Windows XP". XP and 2000 are so close, that the changes are little more than simple shell enhancements and desktop themes, for force users to move from 2000 to XP is unforgivable. If Windows was around the £50 mark, I'd shrug it off, but it's not, it's well over the £100 mark.

Ask yourself this Indi, do you really want to see Microsoft begin too release a new Operating system every two years and "force" users to upgrade simply by releasing a new version of Direct X with that OS?

It's not as if MS never make any profit is it? A copy of Windows is shipped with almost every single PC built. That's alot of income! And the only reason they are able to get away with it, is because it's pretty much the only viable operating system. Linux is still way behind, and 90% of software written for PC's is window based.

It was like this with BT a few years ago, they pretty much held the telecommunications market, and the prices where going up and the service was getting worse. It's a much healthier market now that other telecommunication companies are offering telephone services. Rather than looking after customers.


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Either you will upgrade eventually or be stuck in the past.
The current Windows operating system is not capable of supporting Direct X 10.

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Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to push illegal software here, I merely mentioned it's existance. I'm merely saying that there is no reason for Windows XP and 2k not being able to support Direct X 10. For all it's fansy words saying how Direct X 10 is so totally different from Direct X 9, that it couldn't possibily work on a previous operating system, is alot of hooy. If they want to charge yearly subscriptions to Direct X 10 and above updates for a reasonable price then fine. £10 a year wouldn't be so bad, I'd go as high as £20 - £25, or even make the Windows Update service paid for. Give away "secuity" updates for free, but charge for updates to Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, and of cause Direct X 10. Heck, provide with a new operating system a "two year subscription" service then charge another £25 a year or so to keep it up. I'd have no problems with that. What I object too, is being forced to buy a brand new, untested and potentially (given MS's history) unstable Operating System's every time they release a DX update.


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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 13:39 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 14:00
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sorry kid, you lost me with previous posts as well as your attitude towards the industry with this post.
aww game-dev costs money, poor you, let me guess the $money numbers you were spurting earlier this week was a dud deal? better email bill gates, im sure he will reply in a few YEARS tool

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First of all, please don't call me kid, its a demeaning put down designed to demonstrate your own feelings of supriority. That's two inflaming comments you've made, first telling me I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, again designed to deomstrate your superiority, and secondly calling me a "Kid" once again in a very backhanded way.

We disagree, that's fine we disagree on most things. It would be boring if everyone thought the same thing. But I've seen you lock threads and restrict privilages for as little as what you have posted there. Kindly refrain from personal remarks, and stick to the facts. You've been a moderator for long enough to know better.


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If you read the AUP, we as mods are allowed to swear, even if i dont condone to it.
I am allowed to have an opinion as well, frankly your posts the last couple of weeks are pure crap mate.
Your trying to defend the piracy of microsofts dX10. foolish and stupid.
As a business person, no wonder you lost the job, my opinion only, fair for one person to not agree to your utopian hacking cracking world of delusion.
if you dont like it, move onto another engine and see how far you get in that forum, like you were going to do last week,. you wont last long, other forums ban you for breathing wrong.
no TGC and free working staff have to put up with your stupidity and ignorance, TGC dont need whingers and bitches who complain about 6 hour old project posts and then condone piracy.
your being stupid mate.
If you don't like what i have to say, don't reply. are you daft? i guess so, your track record is leading to me to this personal ass-umption.
whos going to defend you in a forum that depends on direct X for the very life of a product, you bloody idiot.
aww lifes hard when moneys involved, learn it fast or fall over crying.
DX10 means shaders and pipeline changes, perhaps you need to read more.
got a spinning cube demo for you fool.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 14:30 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 14:38
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Ah the world of double standards, isn't it wonderful?

As to the wonderful world that is Direct X 10, it's software. That's all, just software. Software can be coded to run on any system, including 95, 2000, and XP. Microsoft went around for ages saying "you can't not remove Internet Explorer 4 from windows 98" within a month, uninstall tools started appearing for it. it is no different with Direct X 10.

P.s. just to reitterate, I did neither condone, nor state any feelings as to a user hacked version of Direct X 10 appearing. I merely stated it's existance. I am ceratinly not going to advertize where to get it either. However given MS's tactics, I can also see why people are doing it. If they want to make money off direct X, let them sell it fairly. Having to change the whole operating system, just to play games is a little bit much.


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Back on topic...

I agree with Kenjar that it's ridiculous that DirectX10 is Vista only. While I can see how it works from a business-view (every dedicated gamer is gonna have to buy vista now), it's a kick in the face for all XP owners.
To top it off, wasn't Microsoft going to seriously limit OpenGL aswell? Gives away an awful lot about their business tactics imo

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indi, speaking of opinions, i think you're a prick.

you should come to #darkbasic sometime, you'd notice that every time you try playing constable on these forums, you immediately become a laughing stock of IRC, with your double standards, unfairness and general being a prick.

re-read your posts in comparison to the general tone of this thread and you'll see why.

btw, noobslapping me or whatever for this will only proove my point, but i guess, knowing how much you like to play god amongst us lowly peseants, that's not gonna stop you anyway, but whatever happens, my thoughts, and those of everyone else who has to put up with your crap, will still be the same.; just thought i'd slip that in before whatever happens.
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I posted before this thread got locked!

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 14:47 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 14:51
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Goorf: Agreed. People can handle a few minor AUP branches from a mod, but I think downright baseless insulting is something some of the noobs from here dont even stoop to. If you're tired and need to rest a bit, do that, but PLEASE refrain from trolling members of this forum, its rather sickening. Just trying to ask, not got anything against you.

I locked before this posted got thread!


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Quote: "Your trying to defend the piracy of microsofts dX10. foolish and stupid."


What a joke.

Do you want me to post the thread where you said you had pirated tons of PS1 games? Then when I pointed it out you unfairly insulted me...? Then never apologised for your mistake...?

No?

It is ridiculous for a mod to blatantly insult other members.

You should not only be de-modded, but newbie-slapped as well.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 15:01 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 15:03
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Regarding Kenjar, while he mentioned the cracked dx, and we can agree that move was fairly stupid, he later went on to say he didnt condone it and never linked to it. The insults and berating he recieved afterwards was not called for imho.

this is going nowhere

as I know from personal experience, if you think a mod has not acted within his oath you can report the thread, or the mod, to Rich.



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please go build your own engine kenjar, prove me wrong with your insane awesome pipeline instruction set for casting polygons and painting them with pixels, (Here is a book: TRICKS OF THE GAME PROGRAMMING GURUS:: advanced 3d graphics and rasterization) ISBN 0-672-31835-0.
Open GL / Direct X or software rendering, your choice.

Please prevent us from having to tolerate your utopian corruptive, ideals that mean very little to MS, DX/TGC/DBP and myself plus any user serious enough to invest time and money in TGC, otherwise toe the line like the rest of us who use a product because we don't want to know those components or have time or the skill to make them.

Spare me and the users of this forum, your ideals of how things should be. If you dont like it build your own, or move on, pretty simple, hard to deal with. Technology is not going to wait for you, time to adapt yourself to the world around you. If you dont like my opinion there is very little you can do, clearly stated in the AUP clears me of any repercussions to my personal opinion of your stupidity.
life is tough outside your bedroom, golly, the real world is like a jungle, no realy?.


As for vista and DX10, been there done that with mac os X from mac os 9, was a great leap, time to deal with it, your not in the control seat, aww, lifes tough.

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im a prick!. cool , sorry i dont listen to fools who defend other fools. nuff said.
being a laughing stock of people who waist time in an ric room talking about others isnt my cup of tea, i cant handle it? aww,cya when vista and shaders are the norm, perhaps not.

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