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Kenjar
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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 21:37
Some shocking footage of a real ghost! Betware, extremely scary stuff.

Click Here

Ok this one is a little more serious. It looks like a blur effect to me, but you make your own mind up!

Click here

So the question is, do ghosts and supernatral entites exsist? Certainly when I was healthy, I would go for long hikes alone in the welsh valleys. It's definately easy to see how these storys come about when the wind is blowing, it's cold, and slient. I've heard some strange sounds, and caught things out of the corner of my eye before now. I've never been particuarally scared of ghosts or the idea of ghosts. What do you beleive?

P.S. be careful when searching the video sites, there is some nasty stuff out there. I wouldn't want anyone to have his or her rights restricted for posting inappropriate matrials!

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 21:44
Lame. These have been circulating the net for years, and they're not very funny pranks either. Sorry to burst your bubble

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 21:48
I believe that "ghosts" and "aliens" and all that stuff exists. But in a different way than most probably do. If I discussed it I'd break the AUP under the rule about religion.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 21:48 Edited at: 4th Dec 2006 21:54
I wasn't actually serious about the video's, clearly the first one is just a joke, and the second one looks like a Paint shop pro blur effect to me, so they where just a bit of fun. I've had personal experiances, and I'm sure others have had as well. Though I don't claim to have seen ghostly white people floating around.

Quote: "I believe that "ghosts" and "aliens" and all that stuff exists. But in a different way than most probably do. If I discussed it I'd break the AUP under the rule about religion."


as long as you don't discuss direct religons I'm sure there's no problem. Unless of cause you worship the ghost you keep in your wardrobe! Just jesting. Beleive in ghosts isn't a religon because you are not worshiping them. It is the same with Aliens, while people can beleive in them, it doesn't make this a relious discussion.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 22:13
No, I don't worship them or anything crazy Quite the opposite. I believe they are demons. Scaring people and leading them farther from God as they place their belief into these supernatural beings. That sort of thing.

My cousin and his family have had certain experiences with the supernatural before if they are to be believed. I know they are because I have seen things at their house too.

Me and my cousin were playing hide and seek with his older sister and her friend. We had checked the whole house and we decided to check the basement, which was against the rules we laid down for the game. You couldn't hide in the basement and you weren't allowed to turn lights on to find the other team. Well, we were about 6 or 7 and we didn't want to go downstairs cause we weren't allowed to put the lights on for the game. So were were calling downstairs for them to come up, after a few seconds we both saw someone run by just past the bottom of the stairs. We yelled out we saw them and they should come up now, but they still didn't listen. So we decided to go play the Sega until they got bored of hiding, but just as we walked into the dining room they were coming out of the living room. There was no way for them to get past us without our seeing them as it was a straight shot from the basement to the dining room. They asked what was taking us so long and who we were yelling to, lol.

Quite the scariest thing they have seen that I know of... They have a small landing almost all the way up their steps where another stairwell joins fromt he kitchen, then turns 90 degrees left and continutes upstairs. Well on this landing, my aunt actually saw a dead man hanging on a rope from the cieling by his neck. She hasn't told me, personally any more than that about that experience, but there are quite a few other stories I could tell, one involving my brother.

He and my 2 cousins were up in the finished 3rd floor attic which was a rec room at the time, and they were coming downstairs. They went to open the door, but it would open only about half way then slam shut as if someone large was letting them open it and then forcing the door closed again. They eventually got it open and outside the door was nothing to block it or hold it shut.

Man, I have alot more I could tell actually. Some involving my mom and aunt when they were both teenagers.

Pretty scary stuff now that I'm thinking about all these stories again.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 22:13
With the first one, there are loads of them, I got hit the first time with the cradle of filth one where they get you to listen closely to the song being played backwards to here the lords prayer, you can imagine where the scariness comes in.

Aliens are real, I mean how does England get some many illegal Aliens every year, I mean they had to jail E.T. for a couple of years for trespassing on numerous occasions.

Of course, seriously, I'm sure there are places in the universe with unintelligent life forms. As for ghosts, well I don't know what they could be, it all could be an illusion based on human beliefs, ghosts could be something supernatural that we yet don't understand yet with modern science, ghosts could be just as we believe them to be, the spirits of dead people, or little magical gremlins playing tricks on everybody, ooh those pesky gremlins.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 22:40
Quote: "I believe they are demons. Scaring people and leading them farther from God as they place their belief into these supernatural beings. That sort of thing. "


For the most part, I tend to agree with this interpretation too. Certainly regarding ghosts - "aliens" to me are less clear cut (though I default to that view).

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:05
I certainly don't take much consideration when it comes to this "ooga-booga" stuff. I don't take part in the belief in anything as absurd as ghouls, ghosts, demons, spirits, and whatnot. Instead, I stay in the realm of science and scientific explanation. Remember, your mind is capable of playing tricks on you, and it can do so with incredible effect. The sad thing is though, that some people take these experiences and turn them into religious or supernatural events, when in reality it was nothing that a little analyzing couldn't shed light on.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:11
I hope ghosts don't exist. I don't want my dead grandma seeing what I get up to with a cheap woman after a bottle of vodka.


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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:14 Edited at: 4th Dec 2006 23:16
Quote: "Instead, I stay in the realm of science and scientific explanation"

oh really.

if you're going by scientific explanation than the existence of "ghouls, ghosts, demons, spirits, and whatnot" as you put it (though i would say that they are demons) is possible. because they have not been proven to not exist.

the realm of science doesn't mean all the tangible, or easily "test-able" things.

but whatever, it's your choice man and i can see where you're coming from. and on top of that i think this thread is possibily heading away from the AUP

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:17
I didn't see a ghost in the first one... just some idiot.

The second one is a real spirit captured by The Atlantic Paranormal Society (aka TAPS). They have a reality show called Ghost Hunters on the Sci-Fi channel.

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/
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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:23 Edited at: 4th Dec 2006 23:24
I beleive that the classic floating apparition is little more than a story that people have picked up. I remember seeing a face in my bedroom window when I was a child (I was on the second floor), but it could simply have been a bird, a cat, the way light fell on the glass, and my imagination. I also remember going up into the mountains Christmas eve on my own. Enjoying the snow. I'd been hiking constantly for about six hours, when I came to a long road I had never been on before. About half way long this thing I heard the sound of a baby crying. I was miles from my village, it was about 10pm at night, and no matter where I looked I could not find the source. I turned right around and headed back, and for about two or three years I beleived there was something up there. But in recent years I've started owning a cat, and I know his cry's well enough that accept that what I most likely heard a bunch of wild cats, perhaps a fox or some other living creature. I tend to lean towards a wild cat though. Most of these things are tricks in our own mind I am sure of that.

Upon saying that, I also beleive that our universe is pretty damn big, if we can explain all of it then it's also very boring. I can easily beleive in clouds of illuminated particles, gas, or some other forum of ionization. Just read about the Northen Lights. There's also heat haze, and other atmospheric disturbances. Humans often see face's, animals, and other known objects in the formation of clouds.

I also accept that life may take forms beyond physical parameters. It might even live within the same space as us, but out of phase, or even rely upon another set of dimentions.

But more than likely we see these things, simply because we want too.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:34
Quote: "if you're going by scientific explanation than the existence of "ghouls, ghosts, demons, spirits, and whatnot" as you put it (though i would say that they are demons) is possible. because they have not been proven to not exist.

the realm of science doesn't mean all the tangible, or easily "test-able" things."


Come on now you two we don't need a science vs religion/unprovable debate to start here, for one thing, I refrained from making a comment to start a debate, in this situation, normally I would, I myself have bones to pick with the all science type equally as I have with the 'all religion' type, but should people believe what they believe as long as the out come is good (That's belief on a general note) I don't believe that everything in the world is objective as scientists would believe it, but unless there is reason to challenge that argument, I won't.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:42
Quote: "Instead, I stay in the realm of science and scientific explanation"


Not everything is explainable by science yet. There are so many things we don't understand and may never understand. The universe as stated above is massive. You are, technically, severely limiting your beliefs by what the puny human existence has discovered and proven. We are but a tiny tiny microscopic speck in just this galaxy alone. Our galaxy is the same compared to others. What a wealth of knowledge we know nothing about yet... Makes you feel so tiny.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:51
Damn it, stop tempting me to discuss!

But what I must say is this.

Science - Empirical Knowledge, we gain through our senses
Sense/nervous system - Received sense data is sent to the brain for cognition (thought processes) Therefore we don't have direct interaction with out world, meaning what we see is subjective to each person, meaning, most of us can agree with science, but how we sense the world is subjective, meaning nothing is necessarily fact as science has been proven wrong. Now people believe what they do sense and I am happy with people believing what they sense is true as long as it ends in no harm, as I have my beliefs on the world around me. Now, there are things science can't prove, simply because it is beyond our perceptions, equally, proof of ghosts/religious/supernatural experience is beyond our perceptions and I'm sure if we have the same evidence in front of us, we'd take our own interpretations.

That's my view of science, and well, I'm sure people will have completely different ideas and I believe they should follow theirs if it makes them happy.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2006 23:57 Edited at: 4th Dec 2006 23:58
I believe in aliens, no doubt in that. Ghosts however, well I dont know, when pulled off well, some stories/footage can make my tummy turn a little when I walk in the dark after I watched a whole program of them, not to say I believe in them, but my imagination is left to go loose, and I think about what might happen, had all that stuff been true, which I know it isn't.

Basically, science hasn't proven it. It hasn't proven aliens either, but it has proven that we are just one small speck in the whole universe, and if we happen to exist, Im sure some much different life forms would appear everywhere. But, ghosts, are only a theory, and there is no proof of even anything that related to ghosts, i.e. the worlds they live in. What we know, is that humans and animals think with their brains. Cells dont think, they just do stuff. These ghosts, quite obviously don't have brains (which is a lump of meat with electricity in it), so they can't think. If they can think, then they would have brains, and they wouldnt be hanging around this planet/universe. And if they did hang around here, there would be alot more of them than us, considering that they are supposed to be "dead people". If they can't think, then they are just like a cell, just does stuff.... I have never seen a cell sit on a swinging chair and randomly pull furniture away from the floor, I dont know about you, but I haven't.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 00:10 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 00:13
I dont believe in ghosts, aliens or an afterlife.
I would like to be proven wrong on the last one, but I doubt it.
whether my opinions will change, I dont know, but the current 'evidence' leads me to think its all a big bowl of poo poo.

edit: I should rephrase that I dont believe in aliens in the context of them visiting earth and subjecting our cows to anal probes but I do believe that we are not alone in the universe ,though how many billions of light years we are away from our neighbours i think will remain a mystery forever.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 00:28
Quote: "No, I don't worship them or anything crazy Quite the opposite. I believe they are demons. Scaring people and leading them farther from God as they place their belief into these supernatural beings. That sort of thing. "

But doesn't that mean they have won, since you believe in them? Or am I missing something? (tone: curious)


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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 00:31
I have mostly the same view on this as Oraculaca has. Also i am convinced "phsycic powers" is doodoo too. How can a person look at a picture and suddenly know the persons name, adress and how he/she was like etc? I mean come on! It's all staged.

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Quote: "How can a person look at a picture and suddenly know the persons name,"


Give me a picture of a member of staff from Mc Donalds wearing their uniform and I'll tell you their name...assuming that they are wearing their own name badge

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 00:50
Most peoples ghostly experiences are at night when they're tired and their judgement is poor and senses are a little off. I've personally seen my girlfriend walking around my room, then turned over to realise she's still in bed. I've also heard someone whisper in my ear, point blank, clear as day, in the dead of night when nobody else is around. I was also standing at the end of my hallway once and suddenly the light cord in the bathroom swung out, swung back and stopped, for apparently no reason. They're my "ghostly" encounters that I can remember. They all happened at night, and I put them down to being tired.

That video CR linked too, you can see it's all complete rubbish. Chairs attached to pieces of string being tugged around etc. Also, why would ghost show up on photos but you can't see them? What's so special about film? I suppose it's just this cool magical idea that you can't see it with the naked eye, but film captures everything mystical!

I don't discount the possibility of ghosts completely, it's just that pretty much all the evidence you see is completely crap, and there are so many muppet desperate to believe it when clearly it's fake.


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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 00:57
Quote: "I've also heard someone whisper in my ear, point blank, clear as day, in the dead of night"


That my friend is your conscience, it usually comes out when there is nothing to drown it out, its mostly annoying, a good amount of alcohol tends to get rid of it.

Quote: "What's so special about film?"


Because you can get after effects to it and make people think 'ah oh my god its a ghost', in the case of me trying to use it, 'Ah the attack of the giant pixelated blob!

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 01:14 Edited at: 5th Dec 2006 01:17
Quote: "But doesn't that mean they have won, since you believe in them? Or am I missing something? (tone: curious)"


Ok here's the part where I break the AUP, so don't anyone get offended please, and mods if it needs to be deleted, go ahead, I just have to say what I need to. It's in code brackets, so if you don't like to read "religious" stuff, don't read it. And if you do read it, don't ruin this thread for everyone else and try to debate me. Contact me off the forums using my AIM address below this post.



Ok, I reread that, it's sorta hard to understand what I mean I suppose, but it's hard to describe it exactly.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2006 01:18
this thread can lead to religion.
If you must talk about spookys under your bed, gods ghosts and demons, take it to the irc room or an instant messenger.
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