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Geek Culture / Promoting Websites

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Tom J
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 18:41
I've got my site properly set up now and I actually have a game on it, now I have the annoying job of promoting it so that some people out there (not just my friends and curious people on this forum) actually know of its existance.

I tried putting it on google etc. but am getting no results, how would I be able to effectively promote my site?
dark donkey
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 19:08
not all sites submited to google are actually put on, also people whant visit a site if its www.freewebs.com/yourdomain/ try www.dot.tk its free and will make your website a www.yourdomain.tk and you whant have to make it all agin.

Siolis
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 20:53
My sites strangely been picked up by Google and i do get some visitors from it, my suggestion is either wait or do nothing and Google will find you, lol.

Other than that I would also recommend that you try just making your site attractive and interesting, give people more to look at than a brief description of your game + the download link. Of course I’m guessing as I haven’t see your site as you haven’t provided a link, which is allowed here btw.

dark donkey
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 21:18
Quote: "My sites strangely been picked up by Google and i do get some visitors from it, my suggestion is either wait or do nothing and Google will find you, lol."


google probally dident find you, its free to sumbit a site to good so any body could have submited it.

Jeku
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 21:21
Google WILL find you if others link to your site--- that's how it works. Probably most of the sites on Google were not submitted manually.

In response to the original question: get others to link to you. Your site will move up in rankings on Google when more people link to it.

The Wilderbeast
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 21:28
DONT' use that free search engine submitting crap, all it does is give you spam and fail to submit your site.

Google works by indexing all the links it finds. Say http://www.yellowpages.com , it finds a link, adds it and then visits that link to search for more links, etc. They continusly do this, but it could take up to 3 months for it to appear

Zappo
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 23:13
The best thing you can do, as mentioned above, is get other sites to link to you. This can be as simple as having the 'Web' button on your forum posts point to your site (which you have done) or get some blog owners to review your game and link to the site. Even if the reviews aren't great you get a free link.
What you should also do URGENTLY is look at adding META tags to your pages. By adding meta data you are giving the search engines extra information to help index your site. You have plenty of text which is good and easy for the spiders to read - much better than having the whole thing Flash driven or too image heavy.
Don't be tempted to pay people who offer SEO services (Search Engine Optimization). I have seen people try to charge hundreds of pounds and promise the earth to optimize your site, which just isn't worth it. A bit of research and time spent on your part and you can do most of it yourself for free.
Kohaku
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 23:52
My site is also listed on Google after being found by bots. It's actually the first result if you google 'devaug' or 'developing augmentation' (no quotes necessary).

I've only made a link to it from this site, and my site itself hasn't been up for too long - I think I got it up in early November - so I believe I have TGC to thank really.

I use a CMS for my site called Drupal, which is apparently liked by bots aswell, or at least that's what the Drupal people said.


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Matt Rock
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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 23:57
I googled MISoft Studios, and my website was at the very top of the list. But I'm paying for webspace, and they handled the submission... is there something my hosting company did to get my site listed?

I'd love to see all of the websites in the TGC community linked up. If anyone has a website and wants me to link their site to mine, I'm just an e-mail away. It could help everyone in the end, I think . I wonder how many TGC'ers have websites?


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Kohaku
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 00:05
I'm guessing three.

I like your colour scheme there Matt, reminds me of Ubuntu.

Now that I think about it... It could be five.


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Matt Rock
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 00:25
Thanks Some people think it's too colorful but I dig it. And I made it from scratch (no templates), so I'm pretty dang proud of that hehe. Texturemaker: $38. The Gimp: $0. The ability to make a website from scratch relatively quickly with absolutely no artistic ability whatsoever: Priceless

I think it's probably more than 3 to 5 people... probably more like 15 to 20 people or maybe even more. I'm sick with a stomache flu, so I might go around later and try to count up how many websites there are lol. Of course it would be impossible for me to count them all, but I dunno, I'm willing to bet there's more than 10 in the WIP forum alone.


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dab
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 01:25
The way I got Google to spider my site more quickly was to make a google site map. It was free too.

http://google.com/sitemaps/

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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 13:11 Edited at: 13th Dec 2006 13:19
Quote: " how would I be able to effectively promote my site? "


Your listed on google now
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=GamingColosseum+site&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

* Submit each app to as many download sites as humanly possible. There's are literally 1000's of them.

It's all about numbers. Why expect them too come to you, when you can go to them! If your game is listed on 10 download sites, you might get 100 downloads per month (could be 1000's, could also be none) lets be realistic. So in order to expose your titles to a lot of punters, means promoting your title on every download site, game listing site, etc you can possibly find that relates to your content.

Most use PAD files, these can make the whole upload process easier. It's easier, but still tedious as hell. Many PAD sites have free submission, but their free services can take days, weeks, months to actually get listed. Since their priorities tend to be in paid submission/advertisers.

http://www.asp-shareware.org/pad/

* As has been mentioned, Google ranks pages by a combination of many factors. Two that come to mind are relevancy of text on the page to the search query and another is the importance of the page/site that this page comes from. So latter is a sort of blend of both.

The first one you can sort out yourself pretty much. It just means that the text on your page can be tweaked to include certain key phrases that you wish to attract. If the page is focus enough, place this key phrase/topic in the page heading. To help reinforce this. Be specific, if the page is about "green 5 toed sloth's", then that's what the page should include.

One approach is working backwards. Like try an think as many combination of search queries that a person could type in to find your page about "green 5 toed sloth's" as possible. There's few marketing site that will give variation of phrases and stat's on them also, not that i think of any off hand.

This also helps you get a better Idea of what other sites/page are in this category. Take notice of how they word and lay out their copy. In particular the top ranked pages. Anyway. If your not listed in the first 20/30 results under your target phrases then you've got work to do spreading the word.

It's a rather time consuming task, not to mention difficult. since everybody else is basically doing that same thing as you. So competition under key words is fierce.

Link precedence is another way to help improve the rank of a page. The concept is simple, the search ranks links between pages. So if you can get others sites to link to your site or your key pages, then this link helps to raise the importance of your site/page to the search engine under these queries. So it's important to spent some time mailing site admins (write a standard letter and mail it all of them ) for a banner swap/link exchanger.

Another is Keyword density, which used to be important, but i'm not so sure anymore. When your page is crawled by a search engine, it tallies up the number of occurrences of key words in the text. It the calculates a percentage for each word throughout the page . So pages with a higher keyword density on a would be ranked in front of others. While It's probably still used in some capacity, it was too easy to web site owners to create bogus pages that were stack with only target keywords. Which was impossible for real copy to out rank.

Meta Tags are another option. These hidden (to the viewer) tag's were meant to help describe a pages content and keywords to search engines. Some engines still use them in their search results, so it's probably worth filling them in.

Zappo
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 14:55
Quote: "So it's important to spent some time mailing site admins (write a standard letter and mail it all of them ) for a banner swap/link exchanger."
I am afraid I hate these and usually flag them as spam. Mailing people asking for link exchanges will annoy professional site owners which could mean you only end up swapping links with portals or 'bad' sites. Linking to them could have a negative affect on your ranking if their sites get blacklisted.
Robin
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 16:49
Yes it takes time to generate traffic to your site. I haven't paid a penny to advertise any of my sites, but they both generate a lot of traffic (They've been up for nearly a year now). www.robinsgames.com has links everywhere over the internet, mainly from games websites reviewing and linking to my site.
Just post your links on any games websites/web directory. Try and get it listed on google, dmoz.org, alexa.com & all other search engines. You'll find your page rank will increase which I believe effects where your website is positioned in the search results. Get a decent domain name related to what your website is about. search google for 'dark basic games' and my site comes up third (darkbasicgames.com). Add meta tags/use google sitemaps.

hope that helps.

if you want a free yourname.darkbasicgames.com domain for your site let me know (That offer still stands for anyone else )

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Tom J
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Posted: 13th Dec 2006 20:31
Thanks for all the replies.

I will try putting my games on sites like download.com and I will also use the advice on Google and Search engines to try and get more traffic.

Also my site has a new web address:

http://www.gamingc.co.nr/
dab
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Posted: 14th Dec 2006 08:03
Hey, I'd say that if you have a website, you should submit it to us (both Matt and I, as well as others) so we can all share links and create a huge connected base of websites! Google won't know what hit them. Or we could post our websites on here, and just link back and forth that way. But that is probably the best way to get recognition. Especially if you are linked to a bigger website. Just my thoughts though.

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Tom J
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Posted: 14th Dec 2006 22:00
Quote: "I'd love to see all of the websites in the TGC community linked up. "


Quote: "create a huge connected base of websites"


Sounds like a good idea, who else would do this?
Matt Rock
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Posted: 14th Dec 2006 23:37
Me and Dabip are already linking up (I'm having a problem with my webhost but I'll have it up by the end of the day). e-mail me and I'll link you, and you can link me. And spread the word to as many others as you can . It'll be a TGC webring.


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