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HowDo
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Hi All

Anyone got any hints on what to look for, that's making my pc says ok I had enough, i am switch off and rebooting for you.

some times it will work for days at a time and then others within ten mins of starting.

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D core Intel
2 gig ram
180 hard
2.8 mhg
xp home


some times seem to shut down when the d core fan (3.5ins) been doing a workout for 20 mins but not always.

still looking for away to prove this fault in about five to ten mins but not found one yet.

so anyone with some ideas!

cheers

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Posted: 21st Dec 2006 12:32
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heat protection gauges within your system peak when it switches off?

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Good chance it's a driver issue. Have a look in the System logs to see what the messages are.



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learing time, how do I check them?

I know the GPU is ok as that's stay at about 59c card has a prog to check it.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2006 12:51
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you will have to choose a " free temp monitor " program from google.
Sometimes also your bios will have a shutdown feature at a given temperature.
check your bios firstly if there is a temp range shutdown feature.
download a temp monitor from google.
check to see if the one you chose doesn't have a spyware component.
run it and see if your machine peaks when it gets hot. if it matches the shutdown temp in your bios, you might have found the problem.

as batvink says it could be a driver for sure, but yeah try it all out and see where the problem lies.

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will try that, also may help, can get it to crash on demand using Aol, but again not every time.

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indi
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Posted: 21st Dec 2006 12:59
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try a benchmark system that would push the gfx card and cpu into heat-sville

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Well thanks for your input, when I went looking for my motherboard name found out that there was a problem with the BIOS so have now updated it so things should be ok!(time will tell)

my systm is an Advent T9207a

cheers

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Posted: 21st Dec 2006 15:41
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One other thing for you to check - the power supply to your PC (not the PSU inside of it). That is a powerful PC, and it will be drawing a lot of current from the mains.

If you have it plugged into a cheap power adaptor for example, that could easily cause the problems you've got. I had exactly the same issue as you, my PC would reset itself for no reason at all - it didn't matter what I was doing, sometimes after 20 mins, sometimes 2 days. It got VERY annoying. A mate of mine is an electrician and he tested the socket and found that the occassional small peak and drop in power was causing the PC to reset itself.

I bought an APC EPS800 UPS system, which is like a large 4-way mains apator with 15min battery back-up built in, and it has been utterly perfect ever since! The UPS regulates the power draw, keeps the signal clean and tidy.

Definitely have a look in this area if your BIOS change doesn't fix it.

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Those mains adaptors are great - there's actually an 8-way one that comes with £250,000 insurance coverage on anything attached to it - this thing makes it go pop, and Belkin have to replace it. One thing to be carefull with though is those master power switched, they're relayed, so they click off very easily, the amoung of times I've switched off the servers at work by accident... no insurance for my clumsyness unfortunately .

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I could be completely wrong here but ive got a feeling I sussed a sound driver issue a while back by doing the following.....
Go into system in control panel then advanced and 'start-up and recovery' . make sure automatically restart is unchecked. You might then get an error code instead of it auto restarting.

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try leaving it off, if it's off then it won't restart

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I had a similar problem with my PC, it kept on rebooting, quite often in fact, I changed the RAM chip and all is well...
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Thanks for your comments will look in to a UPS, if you find this thread fall off to the bottom of the stack then you know it was fixed it.

Had a bit of fun pushing it, 3 videos ,tv , nasa - WMP, radio on realplayer playing, ie explore and WMC playing mp3s) it fell over on the graphics that time.

might add the WMC record TV to the list next time

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Most of the problems I've had with restarting is to do with the temperature issues that indi mentioned.

Quite often, it's simply a case of dust getting in the way of fans doing their jobs.
If you know what you're doing, unplug the fan on your CPU, and pull it and the Heatsink off and give the heatsink a brush-down to remove dust that could be stopping the air-flow.

Having said that, however, I've also had the same problem with failing power supplies cutting out & throwing the circuit breaker in my house, as well as the motherboard itself failing and just turning off.

Each hardware is different, so you'll have to find what the problem is for you

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Don't think its to do with the fan as this one is using a 3.5ins fan blotted to a 9x5x2ins heat sink, it a big heat sink hides most of the motherboard.

if the problems show up again then may go looking for a tempeture programe to check whats happening, but fist I will have to find the booklet on what motherboard I have fitted I put it in a safe place?.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2006 17:05 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2006 17:10
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*edit*

Sorry for double post, dunno what I did but I posted twice.


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3 times we've had similiar problems.

First my son, I went through swapping bits from his and mine till I found it. It was a faulty CPU.

Then my PC started rebooting, luckily I stumble accross the problem when I got a new DVD writer - it was a loose IDE cable

Then my other son, his was problem Rich pointed out, it was a cheap B+Q extension cable, just swapped for a cheap hombase one and all is good now.


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Well it just done a weird one on me, it was making a memory dump to disk in the hard drive got to about disk 98 when eek power down and reboot, this was in blue screen mode.

well I will check the cables when I find the screw driver that fits the back.

stay tuned more coming soon.....

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Well Now I've done something that I did not wish to do but the cpu fan is now on all the time?

Looks like this a be going down the repair center after the holidays.

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The cpu fan is always supposed to be on, that is good, keeps the cpu cold, lol.

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Unless you have an AMD, it controls the Fan to keep down power usage.

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turns out the some software that like to run in the back ground doing what is anyones guess, has this procceses name not that I remember all the letters

Mc???32.
or
MN???32.

like to take up to 50% 60% of a dual core running time so in the end it gets to hot and switches off.

ended up doing a complete rebuild, which seem to be the norm for me at christmas as I did this to my other my machine last year at the same time and the year before that, just when you get them set up to the way you like it.

only another 20hrs of finding every thing.

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anyone know what can change your desktop screen to one of your own when you have set it to the one you want, as something on my machines is driving nuts keep picking one of me picture and making it the desktop picture, plut it likes to use the picture name of toyhide ??

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Google it, see if it's some sort of mal-ware...

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after lossing the battle and starting from a format found out its was a picture changer that I down load from MS site, that was not what killed my set up, I'd clicked too may options in msconfig and it would not boot in normal or safe after that.

fourth rebuild, getting quicker at finding out which to do first, but still unable to make MCE part stay stable, locks up (TV) with a send error report after about 5 mins, think I have downloaded all new drivers and wont nots.

well someone will have about 100 error reports when they get back from the holidays

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May be of interest to some of you.

Some of you have spotted that their is difference between windows XP pro and windows media center edition XP pro.

Just be careful which you download upgrades for or it may start to act weird.

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