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Zaibatsu
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Posted: 25th Dec 2006 01:20 Edited at: 25th Dec 2006 01:21
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I sorted out the issues with my website and its running now. It now has, A homepage, a guestbook, a preview for one game, and 1 donload. I'm still working on the pictures and claymations pages, so they will give you 404 page if you click on them.

the site is:

http://www.zaibatsugames.com

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Steve J
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Posted: 25th Dec 2006 05:39
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eh. I think it is a simple design, but you used tables, which makes it pretty iffy, especially since the site is so simple.

Click my sig for a design idea.

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Zaibatsu
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Posted: 25th Dec 2006 06:18
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what do you mean i used tables?

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Steve J
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Posted: 25th Dec 2006 06:50
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...


You use overly redundant code for the header as well. Google CSS Tutorials and learn how to use it, it can make something like those buttons easy.

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Posted: 25th Dec 2006 10:31 Edited at: 25th Dec 2006 10:33
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Don't listen to anyone, tables are just fine! (though maybe not for a layout as simple as you got)

I'm not sure why your page extends so far beyond the window size.


This code displays the website just the same as yours, only simplifies the code a bit, the links in particular.



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Steve J
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Posted: 26th Dec 2006 07:39
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Phaelax, I agree that they are for certain designs..but his???

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Posted: 26th Dec 2006 08:18
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Yea, he doesn't need tables in this design. Looking through that lengthy source made me dizzy.

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Posted: 27th Dec 2006 07:23
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Not to pimp my own site, but have a look here if you wanna see some nice CSS design.

Not a table in sight, and as few divs and spans as I could get away with. Works well, and displays the same in IE and FF

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Posted: 27th Dec 2006 20:18
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Posted: 28th Dec 2006 14:20
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The site looks like it was made in frontpage

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Phaelax
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Posted: 29th Dec 2006 23:13
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Jess, your site is basically the exact same layout as my new site, only I used tables. Whenever I mess with DIVs it looks different in every browser.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2006 01:25
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Quote: "Don't listen to anyone, tables are just fine!"

They are and they aren't... There are just as many issues with tables as there are DIV's - however the advantage of DIV's (as far as I know) is that they load quicker in modern browsers. The problem with a table is that the browser generally wont render a cell until it knows exactly how big the contents is going to be. This often leads to blocks of the pages not appearing until ALL the content is loaded. Thats the biggest issues I have with them... Oh and they're an arsehol to debug!

About the design in question - I personally dont like it. Too "busy". Any decent design wont have a patterned background (or at least not one like that, its too central in the greyscale to get any nice contrast). Plus the bright red header doesn't work too well.

For a simple design - its ok... But I wouldn't start advertising yourself as a designer yet (JOKE!)

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Posted: 30th Dec 2006 05:59
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Phaelax,

Yeah, hence the IE hacks, etc I have in my site

Most things just come down to little idiosyncrocies(sp?) between the browsers such as inherited styles, rendering order, float-ability, etc, etc.

Once you work it out, you can stick with the same basic template and make an entire site out of it with completely new graphics and (if you're clever) simply change a few numbers in your CSS files to pull out a completely new layout

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Posted: 30th Dec 2006 06:23
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The site isn't pleasing at all to the eye, there is no apparent colour scheme and the background looks like a sidewalk. I don't want to sound rude or anything but with all due respect it does get the message and information out there, but I can't take it as seriously as a site that has a design a layout and something pleasing to the eye.

To me it should be a happy medium between easy navigation and easy on the eye presentation of the information.

It should seem that there was no apparent "construction lines" or things to make people think that there are any weaknesses within the sites content.

I'm not trying to shoot this down but if you are going to use this as a vessel for your work or a portfolio I would seriously consider talking with someone or looking for pre made templates.

again I don't want to sound like an ass but I also don't want to tell you it looks better than it does.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2006 12:52
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@Jess, I tried to rewrite my site using no tables. At first, I had several problems with parts not aligning properly and couldn't get my header graphic to center. After I stopped using Frontpage and removed all the DD tags it kept throwing it, CSS got a whole lot easier. Notepad has always been my PHP editor and now I think it's my new favorite HTML editor as well.

Back on topic with Zaibatsu, unfortunately the site design is something I'd commonly expect to have seen on the web back in the day when dial-up ruled the world.

Read a few tutorials on design or just ask us, we'll help you.

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Phaelax,
With the tweaking and control needed to pump out a proper design, I'm surprised you didn't use Notepad (or a derivative there-of) alot earlier!

I've been using ConTEXT for a long time, and never even thought about using Frontpage or Dreamweaver.

It's funny, at Uni I know people who have to do an assignment that's "Make an online portfolio using Dreamweaver". I must have about 4 people come to me a term saying "I've seen your sites, can you help me make mine for this assignment" to which I always have to reply "I could, but I have NO IDEA how to use Dreamweaver... But, good luck!"...
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Posted: 30th Dec 2006 14:15
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Dreamweaver and Frontpage can die in hell... They are the worst and most overprices programs I have ever used.

I code all my sites by hand and use an editor called UltraEdit... I'd LOVE to get UE to work properly with DBP - shouldn't be too hard... The only issue with highlighting is it doesn't like commands with spaces in - it uses spaces as keyword separators. Apart from that you just need to bind a key to the compiler!

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I've been using Frontpage 98 for many years, mainly for table designs.

Downloading UE now for a trial run.

Not sure I like it, too much stuff.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2006 14:43
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Yeah, I've used UltraEdit before... Didn't fancy it that much.

ConTEXT is great, though.
The syntax highlighting packages available from their site are great (there's even one for Blitz, but not for DBP, unfortunatly... Although, wouldn't be too hard to make one up!).

I particularly like it because it pretty much resembles NotePad but with Tabs & Line Numbers (and syntax-highlighting, and compiling by hot-key, etc, etc, but that's all hidden away in menus, etc).

But, each to their own.
There are a couple of PHP-specific editors and syntax checkers out there, so have a google and use what feels right to you

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I recommend Aptana, we use it at work, it is an excellent ide!

Also I use Zen's Editor, amazingly bulky though, I prefer Aptana, and its free.

http://www.aptana.com/

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Dreamweaver is a godsend after version 2.
If you dont know dreamweaver, there are not many professional positions in the industry that dont require that skillset. coldfusion is another one that pops up a lot.

frontpage is indeed trouble.

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I'm suprised this is still on the front page with me beeing gone a week...

as for the bad background, its just a white speckeled picture that was embossed and made seamless. i have no photoshop skills, no orginazational skills, VERY little coding of any kind practice, but alot of patience to learn. if you want to help me, godbless you, send me an email. if not, well i suppose theres nothing i can do about that, now is there?

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@indi: No. I dont know about in Australia, or possibly the crappily designed big company sites, but it is not a requirement for most jobs I have worked with, and I have enough money to survive decently. I have no idea WHY they would want you to use Dreamweaver, it has limited tool set support in comparision to Eclipse, which is generally much more supported in the "Industry", and the cost compares to the much better Zend Studio. Maybe it is because you are in the much broader field of general web design, and I am a php scripter, but I know a few designers who would never touch Dreamweaver.

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Dreamweaver is used pretty much everywhere in the large web companies. In the 3 or 4 that I worked at, it was installed on everyone's machine and the designers used it to save time.

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=S Hmm. I donno then, will ask around about that, because I am going back to college to get a degree, and if I want to get hired, I guess I will have to learn its interface. I always assumes most design places used good tools, not just good pr tools.

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yes Steve it is, please dont make assumptions when you are not even in the industry yet as either a professional freelancer or worker for multinational giants.

personal opinion aside, im telling you cold hard facts being in that field as a freelancer for many years I should know what im talking about.

learn it inside and out before you make assumptions, grab all the free extra plugins it requires.
its a valuable skillset and allows for rapid development with or without a database.

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I have worked for several companies though, its not like I dont have any facts to base it on. If it isnt too personal, how much do you make freelancing? I make 100k working for a medium-sized start up converting asp.net/info path/access/msql/oracle code to php/php gdk/mysql/mysql for a linux server based app. I dont know if I really want to leave it, because it is a quite steady job, but if more money can be made programming php freelancing, then I would most certainly be happy with out the stability. What advantages does Dreamweaver have to Zend or Eclipse? I use both, needing to renew my Zend License soon though, I might opt for getting dream weaver. I have used it a whole twice, and to me it seemed like a kitty app, good for beginners but not much real power in comparison to what I use (Zend/Eclipse)...

I also went through your site, which looks like it needs updating because it uses some pretty bad practices (Tables, Not even html 4.1 compliant), was that created in Dreamweaver? And where are these examples of work for multinational giants=S I would assume you would put them in your portfolio....

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I make about the same as you in 6 months in a freelance capacity, I however have to pay my own super / no sick days and buy software/equipment, and Im converting your american dollars to AUD .75%, so my price is a little higher then a full paid job.

I usually do a few weeks then have about the same off, I use the extra time to work on my game or refining my special effects skills for movies / television. I can build sites but the return for effort is not where the big money is at.

Having recently bought maya I extending my business towards this facet, it also covers the fields below in print / web/ multimedia / video / spfx. It feels great to have a studio that can cover all these aspects. And it pays the bills quite well.

Yakult was dreamweaver, Yamaha was dreamweaver, Mitsubishi was DW.
George Patts PR was all dreamweaver ( very large advertising company), Energex was dreamweaver.
Intel was dreamweaver, Intel used G3's with form Z back when i was there to render the CPU images on the site, PPC macs to render the intel graphics, lol. Intel was dream on both mac and pc sides of the studio. Not to mention of lot of advertising houses where multimedia was performed, all used DW suite.

These are some places Ive had the opportunity to work for in a professional capacity, plus a lot more If i was to dig down.

I just secured a wicked contract for another company that has about 35 customers who all require websites with CMS based setups.
thats a 150k contract alone. The owner has great clients but cannot build the sites quick enough so she farms it out to my company.

One of the ones i know so far is the flying doctors of australia.
I will know more in feb.

DW / FW / PS will cover the template design, and a CMS system will manage the sites. too easy, money in a barrel. Clients dont want to know that you used XX and how nerdy it is, they just want the job done properly and look good. Macromedia products are prolific in the industry and are well worth investing time in if you want to be in a freelance capacity.

I havent updated my site in ages, too busy with other components.
I will address that and ammend all the new jobs next year.
Its about 2 years old now. Id love to spend the time on my own site but when the contracts are rolling thats about all you can focus on without hiccups or mistakes. Ive got some time in jan 2007 so ill fix that up.

Globally you might want to sign up to Aquent Partners. I have been offered jobs all over the world with that company, it wouldnt hurt to be signed up for extra work.

You may not like what freelancing involves as it can have some downtime in pay if your not always looking for work, however with the effort you can make a lot more then working for the man.

You will also save a lot more tax with a company, I pay about $6 per $100 with a very low overhead, bar having to upgrade the hardware and software every 5 years or so.

Im waiting on a government grant as well from australia regarding having flash modules put into most schools in regards to educational software, once the grant is accepted, not only do I gain from the grant, I can charge each school a nominal fee to rent the software, who wants to do the 1 man hour type work anymore, not me.

Once I get my maya skills up, It looks like I have a Yamaha TV commercial to create in Full CGI for 6 figures. thats the money im interested in for the effort and skillbase im investing in, and thats the crescendo of my business plan. The DBP games on the side are purely my hobby.

Im about to secure my 2nd property, this current apartment made 70k in 11 months, Since my family owns a real estate company and has a gold card for building and construction Ive invested very well and will make another killing on that property alone without doing anything, just the rates, which get paid by rich asian students who study at QUT. If thats an indication of what im doing, perhaps working at one place for a long time is secure and steady, but i prefer this lifestyle thanks

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Thanks for the cooperation. I will look into that company. As for dreamweaver, I will definitely look into it. I already can own more than 1 property with how much I make, but it seems as the real cash is in freelancing, so I will see about that. The only thing I cant do is go out of town for extended periods of more than 2 months, which I think may be a problem. Besides that your info has greatly helped my decisions on what I will do!

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good luck mate, I wish you all the best in your future setup.

I dont know how a company is formed in the USA, but i hear your house is safe from liquidation in florida if its setup in that state, and if you have a multimedia company or set it up like that, you can claim all your games as research and development, while continuing with your web dev work.
muhaha

btw happy new years! its only 7 hours to go in Australia.
Chivas Regal and Moet Chandon is on the cards this year!

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Wait a second... wait a second. You guys are pulling *that* much cash from web work? I seriously need to find another job

Previously I worked for a large web company with clients ranging from some of the largest medical research companies, Swiss banks, and insurance firms, but was only making about $45k a year--- peanuts compared to you. I would go to freelance in a heartbeat if I could make even what I make now as a software engineer at EA (I won't say exactly how much, but it's not close to 100k a year )

Steve J - We live not that far from each other--- care to hook a brother up? I'm doing freelance web work on the side right now as a part time job but am looking to move into that full time.

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Well it depends jeku, what do you know? I know a few guys up near spokane/seattle area that would probably want to pic you up if you knew a lot about microsoft's new sharepoint service stuff. I cant really say anything about pay because I dont know a lot about it, but they have patented stuff already and have deals with courts in the US (Atlanta, Alabama, This entire state, ect), which means if a court buys a license, pretty much everyone that works with them has to buy a license too. They say they could end up making 4-5 mil in a year, not 100% sure though. Just tell me what you know and I will see.

Here is their site:

http://www.iea-software.com/

Emerald is just part of what they are developing right now. I might ask Jeff (Main guy at the company) if he needs any help, but right now Microsoft are so close to release of 07 stuff, they might be too far in the dev cycle, but I am not 100% sure.

I went to your portfolio, but there isnt any examples...it might help if I can show them what you know!

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100k? Blimey


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The only people where I work that use Dreamweaver are those that cant be arsed/dont have the time to learn simple html and they use it just like they would MS Word... Which is a bugger because Dreamweaver sucks when you use it like that. It makes all kinds of styles up for you... one might be red and bold, but another will be bold and red. The code it produces is utter crap.

The three of us web guys at work (including me) all use a text editor (UltraEdit). We did do a test on the interviews to see if they could fix DreamWeaver-ified code... but in terms of using it, we'd rather they knew how to do it by hand.

I earn about £30k at the moment (after working for 18 months with them)... Thats about US$59k, CAN$68k and about AUS$74k.

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If you're looking for honesty...



Id recommend a) using crisper collours, make the background a single colour, something bright, good ones are usually white, light (very light) blue, or golden-orange (like the colour of my name, but a bit yellower).

Keep the text black, make your title text's either a more attractive font or an image, if you go for an image, usually white text with a black outline looks modern and crisp.

Scrap the button images, just use text, or if you really want images, use images with text as the main aspect. Keep a rollover effect, but dont make it too obtrusive, something as simple as having a dot fade in beside the text when your mouse goes over it can be pretty impactful.

Finally, add some sort of an intro to the site. Usually a cool logo in the centre of the screen, or a mini flash animation (something simple, really simple) that lets the user click it to enter, makes the site seem more professional.

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Quote: "software engineer at EA "
I nearly had a work experence placement there, i sent a letter last year asking for work experence and they sent a reply saying they would need the school to get it all sorted, and now it comes to this year i asked again and they said sorry no, not unless you know someone form the company


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the first time they were being polite

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Now I will get some dull work experince placment they had be thinking that i could really get work experince there but then they said that there was too many people and that would not be able to do it unless i know someone from EA jeku could you help?


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If you are a computer science student and you live in my area, I could try and help you get placed in a co-op position.

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wow cool!!, where do you live? im in the UK, i tryed to get into the EA Games Studio in Chertsey but i got this letter attached to this message. If you could get me this placmnet it would mean everything to me. All you have to do is probably send an email


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@!hi!

Sorry, I could only offer my assistance if you were applying to work at EA Canada here in the Vancouver area. I'm afraid my word won't mean anything to the fellows in EAUK

Good luck though!

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could you email them and ask? do you know anyone from ea in the UK i could ask? im desprate, please


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Mod Request: could a mod please split this into a new topic titled "EA UK" maybe if there is someone out there from ea uk they might read it


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... Um, you can do that yourself.

Just start a new thread called 'EA UK'.

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 02:08
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ok, i thought like phpbb you could split topics and if i made a new topic then you guys would have a go at me for doubble posting..


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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 05:32
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Personally, I think that all you need to make a site is good old-fashioned notepad.

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