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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 17:09
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Remember I mentioned I did a Karate compo this year, well I don't have video footage of it this year, but I have last years, where you can see my having my arse kicked by some black dude who is good at fighting, but not so good at every other aspect of Karate. The first fight you'll see is my Dad versus another guy, you'll see my dad get a strike to the temple straight away and a point, if I remember correctly the end of this fight (not shown) results in my Dad having a slightly broken nose. The last fight on there is me against Virgil, This was a year and a half a go and man, can't believe I looked so chubby, well I look a lot different now anyway. You'll see I'll try to get my opening kick on him, but he uses that to come on top of me and take me out of the area so I get a warning, to be fair this dude often results in some foul play and the lowest ranking I remember he has got was 3rd place and that was 3 years a go, where he beat me then. (Unfortunately, this year my first fight was with him as I mentioned in the post after the compo)

If you look at the referees, on my Dad's fight, you'll notice the one at the back with a suit, that's Shihan John Van Weenan, Britain's highest grade and may possibly take Kanazawa's place, as Van Weenan is his highest grade student, but being English, there could be an issue there.

In my fight, you'll see a referee closest to the Camera, that's Leslie, you wouldn't want to tell him he has a girly name, or girly hair, I fought him in the team event, he loves his kicks and he is the best of the black belts that participate, where I lost 4|1, but nobody I know recorded that fight, so its not there.

Actually, it is me in the other two fights, my sister recorded it, so she obviously likes me out of everybody else then Which is a scary thought...

So check it out here:

The Video Link

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 17:36
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That black kid looks like he could kick everyone's butt

I think I recognised one of the guys.. This guy I know who does karate, and breaks people's ribs all the time and stuff

Do you know a 'Martin Hart'?

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 17:45
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Quote: "Do you know a 'Martin Hart'?"


Nope, but then I don't know every person (or their name) from every Dojo that was there, I didn't hear it in any of the chants, I mostly know those that take advanced classes at the Hombu, those from my Dojo and most of the black belts.

Quote: "That black kid looks like he could kick everyone's but"


Kid, he's about 30/40, he has kids that do Karate

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 18:18
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Oh... lol

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 18:25
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man... you got pwned

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 20:42
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Yeah yeah...I'll get him next year, hopefully, I discovered his first weakness in 2004, in 2005, used kicks as a solution, turns out he fixed that weakness by using my kicks so he can throw himself at me and take me out of the ring (as you could see there, this year, I thought his weakness was something else, so I went defensive to let him open it up to me, so he went defensive keeping a low and high defence (In that video you could see it was mostly low and middle), and when I got a kick in, he swept me as my foot was coming down. So my lesson to try next year is, no kicks, keep the weight on my back leg to avoid sweeps, keep in a semi-freestyle stance so I can easily move between front and back, for optimal defensive and offensive attempts and no doubt he'll have something for that, but you gotta keep trying

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 21:05 Edited at: 2nd Jan 2007 21:13
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hmm looks like a lot of hit-backup-hit-backup

you gotta step and use angles to get around someone who's plowing you down, backing up and turning your back to him for a few seconds was the worst thing I saw you did.

the black guy was the only one who hit more than 2 times before backing up, and he kicked ass

I teach shaolin kung fu, and one of the first things we work on is the geometry of fighting, angles and anything that can help you not step back.

also I see lots of wasted motion, wasted energy and everything.
watch this match between TKD gold medalist and a shaolin monk. The monk wastes no motion,wastes no energy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2898445110826839896&q=shaolin%2C+Tae+kwon+do&hl=en

keep working,I'm sure you've progressed already. I know just getting out there is hard work, don't stop.

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 21:26
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I see, I think the problem with our style of Karate is that its mostly taught as set sparring and Kata, you only really begin the fighting stuff at the later grades, I suppose that's where the black guy was strong, he has been a 2nd kyu longer than I have been any of the higher grades, so I'm learning all the energy saving business.

Which this year I did attempt some of the angle business, as I knocked someone off balance in the dojo a week before with it, but I've taken what you said into account and will attempt to practice some of it in the dojo when we spar.

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Posted: 2nd Jan 2007 22:11
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I don't mean to rag on you, you know how I show my love

the 108 short kata's that spawned karate are still an important part of shaolin, but its the fact that we apply them very differently that makes me feel a different use for them.

It's all about experience, you can click a mouse and read about modeling all day, look at models but you cant get good without modeling a ton and finding where you stand stylistically with all this information you've gathered about it.

I've had a few big revelations in my sparring, watching myself on film once and seeing pictures helped a lot. Watch rocky I-VI, before every big fight he does this

It all comes with time and practice, theres always going to be something to work on, and once you plateau in your training, keep upping it until you've got a new goal.

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2007 00:11
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It certainly does, I've been doing it for just over 4 years, I know what to do in competition, but there's actually doing it. I am good at Karate, that black dude, is bad at his, so much so he failed his last grading after being the same grade for some many years, but he has picked up that experience in sparring, we haven't, mind you our instructors find it more beneficial (And I agree with them) that to learn the techniques and Kata well, for in a real fight his techniques would mean nothing, I mean his punches didn't hurt and he didn't exactly use control, the only punch he has thrown that hurt was this year when he got me in the jaw. Whereas our techniques are pretty powerful, even if we can't score points in competition against this dude.

Quote: "Watch rocky I-VI, before every big fight he does this "


What Rocky does is not Shotokan style I'm afraid, I'd rather learn my style rather the deter, as we follow the traditional form of Shotokan that Funakoshi started, and tend not to borrow anything from anywhere else, sorry Karate is more than sport or fighting to me. I suppose the only movie to watch would be James Bond: Casino Royale, the only movie out there that actually uses the Shotokan style of Karate.

But to be honest since that video (as it was 2005) I have done more sparring training, although I could beat him, I did move around much better, he didn't get me out of the ring, he did break my defence twice though, one to the jaw, the other a sweep as I came back from a kick. As for next year, well if I pass my dan grading in April, the only fight I can ever have with him there is in a team event, as that's the only case where they mix dans and kyus, but I hope he participates in that event, as this year's sparring was close due to someone being knocked out.

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When I did Tea Kwan Do, I quickly learned that sparing tapped me out big time, so came up with a pretty effective system: Never attack first. When my opponent went to attack me, I had the advantage as I could defend, then quickly get a nice hook kick in and have him on the defense. Worked well, except when I faced a 3rd degree black belt. Ouch.

Kenjar, yet another victim of NRS (N00b Relapse Syndrome) May he code in peace...

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Yes that is true, that's my technique, works most of the time, but when in competition, the referees tell you off when nobody does anything and the crowd doesn't like it, if both fighter's take the 'don't attack first' idea, then comes the choice, who attacks first.

Quote: "Worked well, except when I faced a 3rd degree black belt. Ouch."


I like sparring with the dan grades, you learn a lot from it, as I said above, in that very compo I posted footage of, I went against Leslie, and lost 4|1, he is a fifth dan, but quite controlled, that's because he's a good Karate-ka and a Karate-ka will believe in using 'sun dome' (soon do may) which is the right amount of control, which I did face the power of his reverse hound house kicks to the back of my head, but it didn't hurt much, this year, it was the same technique from somebody else that knocked another dude out.

Also, I think these videos are good, they are of Hirokazu Kanazawa, the 10th dan of shotokan Karate who was taught by Nakayama and teaches John Van Weenan. The video up on the link it him demonstrating the Kata I graded with last, 'Kanku Dai'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zftf4orGIn0&mode=related&search=

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hehe the rocky thing was more of a joke, but watching footage helped me see what I was really doing rather than what I thought my body was doing.

I didn't realize you did shotokan, thats cool.

All of what I said is just my view on things, we don't do competition fighting for the soul purpose that every one of our attacks is focusing on disabling and most of the times killing the opponent with dangerous pressure points.

That form looks like our "Longfist" system. Is this the only thing you do to test up for the next rank?

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That kata looks really much like kushanku in Wado Ryu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71WOvIL1y4s

This is the one I have to be able to do for my next grading. It looks slightly different, even though it's the same style.


Quote: "...we don't do competition fighting for the soul purpose that every one of our attacks is focusing on disabling and most of the times killing the opponent with dangerous pressure points."


Heh, I could imagine that the undertaker wouldn't mind if you started doing some competition fighting then.

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Quote: "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71WOvIL1y4s"

That's a very nice dance dear, but how does that apply to anything?

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Quote: "That kata looks really much like kushanku in Wado Ryu:"


Yes, other styles of Karate have taken some of the original Kata forms and suited it to their style, as it wouldn't make sense to practice Kanku Dai when it does follow the Wado Ryu style.

Quote: "That's a very nice dance dear, but how does that apply to anything?"


Well, Kata is form of training, I would use Karate Kid as an example on that one, but I don't want to embarrass myself on that one. Basically all Karate has derived from Kata, original Karate would have been learnt solely from Kata, the Gichin Funakoshi and his friends modernised it into Shotokan and other styles where Kata is a part of it, but you learn techniques separate from the Kata and spar with techniques and Bunkai (Basically using that Kata to spar with 3 other people) isn't as essential any more.

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