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Geek Culture / Cyber Cafe - Windows / Linux ?

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JennyC
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 10:49
Hey,

Me and a few girlfriends have written up a great business plan to start up a cyber cafe which will include gaming computers,

We need to decide unltimatly what OS we should use, but since we don't like Windows we thought maybe if we had linux it would make life simplier....

However I heard many people still don't use linux, some don't even know what it is, and was wondering if Linux is the best idea...

I have never really used Linux, I have only heard a lot about it, I have tried to download a linux os ( FreeBSD Alpha ) but it didn't seem to load up when I started my computer...

I want to ask those who have or have used linux, how user friendly is it, but since I'm only limiting it to gaming it shouldn't be to difficult since you only need to click the game icon to play

Also linux isn't compatible with wirless ? is that true? I presume it's like windows lan where you can put a ethernet cable in the back and connect it to the router.. ?

I know this is a stupid question to ask since everybody uses something different but which linux OS is the best to use, I presum I need to re look at what each OS does in more detail.

Also could you link me any webpages which may help classifiy.

Thank you soo much for those who can help us.....

<33 Jenny <33

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Jess T
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 11:18 Edited at: 8th Jan 2007 11:24
You'll be hard-pressed to get many of the top-notch games to run under Linux...

And besides, it's not what you like, it's what your customers like - If they know Windows, and can comfortably come into your shop, sit at any computer and know exactly what to do, then you'll get alot more business than if they come in and stare at it like it's Irkin Technology or something!

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Wiggett
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 12:35
windows is best, but you will have to pay for licences for them, it should all come under the budget in your business plan. I know this, because my business partners are setting up a lan center too! we must be related. Anyway yeah use windows, everything you want to supply to your customers will work, and the majority of them will know how to use it.

also if you are a girl it is clear you must be attractive and should date me.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 12:43
Quote: "also if you are a girl it is clear you must be attractive and should date me."


Oh dear god

@JennyC: I used to work in a netcaf, and a word of advise I can give you is use proper Netcaf administator software, so you can monitor people. A lot of people tend to understate how long they stay, and not properly report stuff like printing costs etc, using a piece of software to monitor saves a lot of hassle, even if it might cost a bit of extra money

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 12:55
Alright Wiggett, enough of that talk, thanks!

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JennyC
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 14:08
hmmm thank you guys for the helpful responce,

I was looking at google for some type of cafe management and came across SmartLaunch, which looks good and at a affordable price, so I think I will test that out for a little while on 2 computers and see how it goes =)

Mannnyyy thank yous =)

Also LOL @ Wiggett :$

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 16:06 Edited at: 8th Jan 2007 16:08
Linix don't have many top games.

Quake, Tibia, Runescape are the only ones I can think of.

Forget using wireless with Linux it's no where near advanced enough to be used

If you wana try Linux without all the hassel download Knoppix and burn it to a CD. It boots from the CD so you don't have to mess about finding space on your hard drive to use.. its also fiddler proof, if sum1 messes it up you reboot the PC and you back to the way it started again

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 16:15
I would say the easiest Linux to use if you want people to seemlessly use it between their home computer (Windows XP) then you would want to use Linspire or Freespire.

Most 2.6.x builds of Linux support WiFi adapters, however it does always depend on the adapter and the manufacturers' support for the *nix OS.

Also FreeBSD is Unix not Linux, quite a bit of difference and "Alpha" is for Sparc Alpha processor systems, you would want i386/i686/x86 variants for an Intel/AMD-based system.

To be perfectly honest Windows 2003 or Vista Business are probably the best options for Games, User-Friendliness and Administration.
They give you much quicker, and better access over what the users are doing, what they're allowed to do, log-in instances, etc.

For these OS, they will also both seemlessly boot as client only machines from a single machine even over a WiFi. Although if you do use internal WiFi remember that you will have a max of 54Mbps over (upto 8/16 connections) as opposed to a normal wired router that will provide a minimum of 10Mbps (generally 100Mbps) per connection. You also have less chance of external hacking from other WiFi connections, less need for setting and maintaining security keys as well as potencial connection issues with the WiFi adapters dropping connection due to positions of furniture or people.

Windows generally speaking is also far better for connection specialist hardware; for example an internet café they had in LA used a card system. So people would register and top up using their credit cards. That way they can use a machine whenever it's free and the user-time ran until you ran out of credit so you're not being over/under-charged.

As Kentaree has noted, remember there are more costs than the initial costs. Quite a few costs you wouldn't realise prior to opening because of not thinking it through properly.

Something that would bring people in would be getting a license and a few Xbox 360 consoles. Lan parties are big things, particularly for games like Gears of War or Halo. It's good business for younger users having somewhere they can either play the latest games or play games online when they don't have an internet connection at home.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 16:17 Edited at: 8th Jan 2007 16:21
I've supplied Linux boxes to my customers for use in internet cafes, but admittedly not as gaming machines.

I've also had no problems with wireless and Linux either, but it depends on both the Linux distro and the wireless card used. I use Xandros OCE distro (which was designed to be as close as possible in look and feel to Windows XP) and LG wireless cards.



Xandros even installs with a few mouse clicks like Windows does and networking with other Windows boxes works straight out of the box with little or no configuration required. You can even get a version of MSN for it!

But having said all that, the other posters are correct - gamers are going to want to see Windows boxes.

There's nothing stopping you having some non-gaming machines which won't be used for gaming which you can then have license-free operating systems on to save a bit of money.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 16:58
Pardon me for sounding a little cynical and confused but...

If you have a business plan, why have you not included whether or not you will be using free or licensed operating systems?!?!? And surely it should also include whether you are technically able to run the machines without spending on maintenance, yet you're considering an OS that you have no experience or knowledge of, down to not knowing how to network them or that there are no mainstream games for them?

I wish you all the best, but just recheck that business plan before you show it to the bank!



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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 17:05
We had a games shop that coupled as a LAN party centre for xbox's, pc's and ps2's. Good times were had in there

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JennyC
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 20:51
Heya guys,

Thanks once again for the replies, it has helped me and my friends to develope something,

also thank you BatVink for making me rescroll through the whole checklist =) it has helped us to rethink things through etc, also thank you for the wishs

Vampiric it's intreasting knowing you have or had a lan party, its nice to be able to look up at someone who's manage to put on a good show =), I assume you no longer do that since you said good times you had ?? Would like to know more about your background some day =)....

TDK Thank you very much for posting a picture to show me what linux looks like, those pop ups have helped me to identify what applications would look like opened etc, how user friendly it can be =)

GatorHex I also gathered that not many good games have comed out for linux, unfortunately, but it would be nice to see some in the future =) but since windows is todays brand I presume that won't be anytime soon

Also thank you raven sooo much for helping compare the difference between both OS, you have actually helped us a lot to understand more about OSs =)

I'm being really silly thanking you all but I do appericate it and thank you .. <33

- Jenny

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 03:31
Quote: "also if you are a girl it is clear you must be attractive and should date me"


Girl? Is that some sort of non-male species?

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 04:21
np, but there is far more to starting a business like this than just figuring out the tech.

I mean a good example is location; this is probably a make or break decision. Although sure you're not going to find many internet cafés in either Chesterfield or Preston (the places I've been living the last year) fact is the income from setting one up in Chesterfield given it's a fairly poor town makes it a very bad location; but Preston on the other hand despite the local population being fairly poor, serves the outer regions (namely outer-manchester, liverpool and blackpool) plus has one of the largest student populations in the country. This for atleast 8:12 months a year a very prime location for such an endeavour (provided you can withstand the potencial crime-rate)

Business' generally fail in their first year due to poor planning and understanding of economics, and fundimentals of business running and maintainence. Accounts in particular are often an overlooked but extremely important area.

Knowing your tax-breaks, financial rights, choosing the correct bank for daily i/o finances, etc. Unless you have people who can understand this side of business either it will fail or always be living on a knife-edge.

The intial bank-roll to incorporate and start a company again are important. While a limited company can limit the potencial damages seen financially on those in-charge, remember the top positions (director, administrator and secutary) are all liable financially and if the company fails their personal finances will get a black mark as a result.

When approaching a bank, making sure the business plan is consise, well planned (and not too lengthy) will be a key to aquiring the backing and corporate accounts for business use.
Also remember that the government have many governing bodies in place specifically there to provide business' particularly small ones with all the help they could hope for; in a number of cases financially as well.

I could probably go on for hours, but then again I remember business class ... 4hours at a time is difficult to take in especially given the immesity of the subject.

JennyC
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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 10:48
Hello,

We have completed most of the business plan, such as prices to include, locations which would hit bigger customers etc, however we still need and are planning the main parts in the cafe, such as the gaming area, how that works, what we will use, and ofcourse the cafe side of it, prices of drinks, food, where to find a distributor

However with that said, reading what you have posted makes it understandable why most new businesses never reach targets due to poor planning.....
I have never really got into business studies myself, so I woudn't know the full details of businesses, however I would like to walk the path and learn

ty x

- Jenny

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 11:07
Quote: "The intial bank-roll to incorporate and start a company again are important. While a limited company can limit the potencial damages seen financially on those in-charge, remember the top positions (director, administrator and secutary) are all liable financially and if the company fails their personal finances will get a black mark as a result."



From 'Going for Self-employment' by John Whiteley:-

"A Limited company is a seperate legal entity from its members. The business is actually owned by the limited company, not you. This has its advantages and its drawbacks. As the name suggests ,the liability of the company is limited. If there were a failure, therefore, you and your personal assets would be protected. This is in contrast to the position where you are a sole trader or in partnership. In those cases you have unlimited liability."

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 13:16
As a director, you are not personally financially liable. BUT you will be affected by being the director of an insolvent company. You can't own another company for 5 years, won't be able to get loans or other credit, and so on. So the way Raven put it, he's right...you will get "black-marked" and severley limit what you can do.

You might also have a large financial interest in the company by way of loaning money to the company, which you would lose.



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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 14:15
Ah I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

I was under the impression that you would be a shareholder of the company and not actually a part of it. But it makes sense that someone should take the rap .

Ive been operating as a sole trader for a year now, Im just starting to read a bit more about these things as I may be registering as a limited company towards the end of the year.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2007 03:50
plus you get footed with a £5,000 fine with up to 3years in prison if you break any legal requirements.

good example is back in March, my brother was acting as the secutary for my company and failed to let me know that he had not filled in the account returns; because he believed it didn't need to be done cause we had no turn-over. What made the situation worse was, he decided to leave for another job and while I was sorting all of that out; the companies house contacted me 2days before my other brother (who I was living with) lost his job (again without telling me so I could lend him money) and ended up lossing our internet/phone/etc.

So communications lost, secutary gone and no idea we were in trouble.. when I was told by Companies House in June that they have insolvented the company to say it came as a shock wasn't even close. Let alone when they told me about the consequences of what happened. I have since been able to square what happened with them, so right now the company itself is considered 'suspended', but I still have to wait until this comming March before we can legally trade again.

Making sure you know you're rights, and such. As well as contingency plans in-case the worst happens would be a very good idea.

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