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Xarshi
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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:14
For an adult to hit a minor? Cuz my brother who is 20 is harassing me,and I'm a minor... I don't think this is legal...like,I have bruises now. So is this legal,cuz I'm about to call the cops...

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:22
What kind of bruises? Unless you look like your powerpuff girls in the avatar, you won't be taken seriously.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:22
Call them anyway, they'll soon tell you.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:24 Edited at: 9th Jan 2007 23:25
meh,I'm not going to call them,but this is domestic violence if anything,I'll probably be tormented by my whole family if I do,so I'll just act as if it didn't happen

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:25
Well if your entire family were around, and it's a one-off it's hardly something to go to the police about. Either ignore it or go to your parents... ^.^

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:26
Quote: "meh,I'm not going to call them,but this is domestic violence if anything,I'll probably be tormented by my whole family if I do,so I'll just act as if it didn't happen
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Quote: "For an adult to hit a minor? Cuz my brother who is 20 is harassing me,and I'm a minor... I don't think this is legal...like,I have bruises now. So is this legal,cuz I'm about to call the cops...
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in a 10 min gap? they look like the total opposite

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:27
Yes, because nobody ever has a scuffle with their brother...

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:34
dude, if it hurts for more than a few weeks then ask him to stop, then get buff and deck the tiddle out of him :p

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:42
or buy an airsoft/paintball gun (airsoft better, easier to handle and can be used inside ), and next time he does something to you, shoot him a few times point blank, then run like heck . Seriously, I don't know if you'd be taken seriously if it's your own brother.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 23:53
@Benny53 - Was he doing it just for the heck of beating you up or did you do something to provoke him? If he's doing it for the heck of it, not telling someone is one of the worst things you can do! It is a very good idea to talk to some adult about it. That way if he repeats it a few times you can have someone to tell and to get help from if need be.

If you provoked him, thats just your own dumb fault sorry to tell you.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 00:24
Well, I've been bruised by my father, but that was martial arts. Whether it is legal, or to be taken seriously lies on the severity of the situation, if he is not aggressive towards, or is causing you fear, then there couldn't be much said and of course, the police will have expected you to try other means, asking him, or telling your parents, but I don't know your situation, if you genuinely fear him hitting you, in that you, or your parents are incapable to doing anything, then you can get the law involved.

But no doubt if you called the police in a less severe situation he would still be in trouble, the police can arrest you for nothing these days (well not nothing, but it is a matter of expression), because of the dispersion order in our town, you can even get in trouble with the police for 'Loitering with intent', it's because of all the chavs and Emo's (and 'scene kids') causing trouble, which would all be avoided if they actually have anywhere free to hang out, but they destroyed the skatepark and we needed a new one, but was never built.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 01:03
Quote: "Quote: "meh,I'm not going to call them,but this is domestic violence if anything,I'll probably be tormented by my whole family if I do,so I'll just act as if it didn't happen
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Quote: "For an adult to hit a minor? Cuz my brother who is 20 is harassing me,and I'm a minor... I don't think this is legal...like,I have bruises now. So is this legal,cuz I'm about to call the cops...
"

in a 10 min gap? they look like the total opposite"


what?

No,but I can't really go to my parents because hes their perfect child who would never hurt a fly,and in plus I'm kinda like the "odd ball" in my family,cuz I listen to hard music...

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Well, I've been bruised by my father, but that was martial arts. Whether it is legal, or to be taken seriously lies on the severity of the situation, if he is not aggressive towards, or is causing you fear, then there couldn't be much said and of course, the police will have expected you to try other means, asking him, or telling your parents, but I don't know your situation, if you genuinely fear him hitting you, in that you, or your parents are incapable to doing anything, then you can get the law involved.

But no doubt if you called the police in a less severe situation he would still be in trouble, the police can arrest you for nothing these days (well not nothing, but it is a matter of expression), because of the dispersion order in our town, you can even get in trouble with the police for 'Loitering with intent', it's because of all the chavs and Emo's (and 'scene kids') causing trouble, which would all be avoided if they actually have anywhere free to hang out, but they destroyed the skatepark and we needed a new one, but was never built."


Emos are a problem there? hahahaha. Scene kids I don't think are exactly the same type,I know I've hurt a few in the circle pit before,cuz some of 'em think they can HxC dance,but they can't They don't seem to be much of a problem here,here its the people who think they are gansters,or the hardcore kids(not as much the hardcore kids,but then again I fit into that group so I probably am a little biased in my thinking). But maybe thats just here in Cincinatti where we don't have much problems... The whole thing with my brother is solved,I'm just ignoring him I just went to my room after he hit me,so its all cool. In other news,my band has another show saturday,so if anyone is near kettering Ohio and knows where the Attic is,come see my band Adiaphora 8:00-8:30(thats our set time),and rock out with us. I believe 10 or 15$ to get in.

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hmmm, I asked my parents about this after they let me out of the cage, and they made me go back in the cage.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 16:01
Quote: "No,but I can't really go to my parents because hes their perfect child who would never hurt a fly,and in plus I'm kinda like the "odd ball" in my family,cuz I listen to hard music...
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Are you sure your dad didn't pay your brother to beat you up? It sounds like an orchestrated conspiracy...

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 17:07 Edited at: 10th Jan 2007 17:09
Next time he tries to beat you up, punch him in the balls if you can't do anything else.

I also just noticed that you're from Ohio, me too. I'll lend my services for a small fee, we'll get him back.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 17:18
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Now THAT's illegal

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 17:29
Quote: "Next time he tries to beat you up, punch him in the balls if you can't do anything else."


And that SHOULD be illegal.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 18:55
Depending on the age difference, and the extent of the injuries (i.e. the difference between an "Ow! Hey, that stung!" and favouring a sprained ankle for days) you could consider talking to a teacher or other adult that you trust. If nothing else, they could help you work out if it is serious enough to get other people involved.

I mean, sure, siblings have a history of knocking lumps out of each other when they're young (I know I knocked lumps out of my brother when I was 12 or so) - but at 20 years old, your brother should probably have grown out of that by now. If its something he's not likely to grow out of, I'd rather you told someone now, rather than waiting until its a girlfriend he's giving bruises, or worse - a kid in the future.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 20:35
Quote: "Emos are a problem there? hahahaha. Scene kids I don't think are exactly the same type,I know I've hurt a few in the circle pit before,cuz some of 'em think they can HxC dance,but they can't They don't seem to be much of a problem here"


Depends what kind of Emo you get, you got the miserable emo, drug abusing and sometimes trouble making type, that's what we got, or the moshing type that are more for the music and some of the emo culture. I'm just a general mosher who's into some geeky things and literature, our emo's are okay, but some just wind up the police and even cause trouble around here.

Quote: "No,but I can't really go to my parents because hes their perfect child who would never hurt a fly,and in plus I'm kinda like the "odd ball" in my family,cuz I listen to hard music..."


That sort of situation, parents should listen to their child essentially. As for the odd ball hard music, I think that shouldn't make a difference, I think your parents need some insight and listen to what you have to say as opposed to dismiss you because you're the metaller and your brother is 'goody two shoes', most metallers are good and honest people (I'm just saying that, mostly because it sounds like your parents sound like my brother's friend's parents)

Perhaps you should engage in a serious conversation with your parents, or one of your parents, they will either offer a solution or help you solve it, only last Friday, I found myself annoyed by how my Dad acts and treats me (and others) when he is angry, I mentioned it to my Mum and I did what she said and one argument with him later, all seems to have been solved. If your parents don't solve it, then come to my house, I'll teach you some martial arts tricks and you can use them on your brother and break his limbs and all will be solved.

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Quote: "Depends what kind of Emo you get, you got the miserable emo, drug abusing and sometimes trouble making type, that's what we got, or the moshing type that are more for the music and some of the emo culture. I'm just a general mosher who's into some geeky things and literature, our emo's are okay, but some just wind up the police and even cause trouble around here."


Aren't the moshing drug abusers called moshas or something?

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@Dared1111 - As far as I know,I just know 'em as scene kids and emos. And I just know,I'm into hardcore/metalcore music,so they piss me off quite a bit Unless they stay out of my way in the pit.

Quote: "Quote: "No,but I can't really go to my parents because hes their perfect child who would never hurt a fly,and in plus I'm kinda like the "odd ball" in my family,cuz I listen to hard music...
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Are you sure your dad didn't pay your brother to beat you up? It sounds like an orchestrated conspiracy..."


Me and my brothers haven't even talked to our dad for about 5 years...lol,if it was him,hes sneaky

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 22:17
quit whining and learn to fight back.

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Quote: "Quote: "Are you sure your dad didn't pay your brother to beat you up? It sounds like an orchestrated conspiracy..."

Me and my brothers haven't even talked to our dad for about 5 years..."


... or so your brothers would want you to believe!

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 23:09
Quote: "Aren't the moshing drug abusers called moshas or something?"


Well moshing metal lovers, I wouldn't call myself a drug abuser (I don't even have that much caffeine or alcohol)...I'd say one type of emo is a type of mosher, is what I was trying to say, but if you like with the more depressing stuff, similarly with scene kids, goths, moshers, rockers, indies etc. But in some form or another, all of them can be moshers. Essentially its all labelling oneself as something. All I know is, its a bloody pain in the butt if you're trying to take pictures whilst people are pushing you

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haha,try it in a circle pit dude Of course,you won't be standing long in one of those,lol. Someone will come kick you in the head and probably crush your camera. And Oddmind,its slightly different when your 20 year old brother is a weightlifter,and I'm only a teenager,so maybe you see the picture there?

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 23:59
I suggest you buy a firearm of some sort, or possibly an explosive. Then you'd get respect!

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Posted: 11th Jan 2007 00:14
My brother use to pick on me when I was smaller. Now I've just done my best to show him who's boss. He hasn't stopped picking on me, but now he's gone for a more "psychological" approach, which is much less fun

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Posted: 11th Jan 2007 17:39 Edited at: 11th Jan 2007 17:40
Quote: "haha,try it in a circle pit dude Of course,you won't be standing long in one of those,lol. Someone will come kick you in the head and probably crush your camera"


Well that's pointless now isn't it? A silly suggestion to make.

Well, Benny, the best way to win is to be smart, the dumb may have strength, but the smart most of the time win (I say most of the time, because cracking your head open like a walnut isn't winning ) In a fight, the person who uses strength loses to the one who gets in there with technique and preserve their energy. In war the same happens, look at Vietnam, the smart one there.

I'm sure your brother has a weakness or some leverage, although it is very immature for a tough 20 year old to pick on younger dudes, its cowardice and stupid, so that him being in the wrong there, I'm sure it won't be hard to outsmart him either. I actually had someone when I was in year 9 who always hit me to express his strength, because he always wanted me to fight back, I never did and he eventually stopped, even when my friend was going to have a fight with his, he asked me for a fight, his boxing versus my Karate and I refused and wrapped my arms around the fence and let him beg and punch me in the arm, he quit asking, then he quit doing it, so I do suppose sitting and waiting as well helps, the reason your brother his hitting you, will be a reaction, if you deny him that reaction and show that you're not bothered, he has no reason to hit you and he'll get bored after a while, of course that method takes time and endurance.

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I happen to serve as a jurror in a petty crimes and misdemeanor court. This could rank any where from 5th degree asault(the lowers form of assaut) to domestic violence to Batery.

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I grew up with three brothers and we beat the hell out of each other when we were kids.
One of my brothers had this habit of jumping me behind my back...he was (and still is) one of the meanest people I know.
If you fight and argue and wrestle that's one thing.
If you are getting seriously injured you need to get some help.
While getting yourself a firearm or explosives or punching him in the testicles might solve the problem temporarily that is no solution (and I hope they were joking around) and will just make things worse in the long run.
If your brother has anger control issues he may need some serious help.

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I think you should seal off all the areas air will come out of his body, and then blow him up with air until he pops a hole or something. Hehe just kidding.

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Muscles increase the potency of pain with pressure point striking, It's gonna hurt either way, I learned to fight back. No one hits me.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 08:55 Edited at: 13th Jan 2007 08:57
Quote: "While getting yourself a firearm or explosives or punching him in the testicles might solve the problem temporarily that is no solution (and I hope they were joking around)"



Hmmm, nope I was pretty serious. If someone hits you, forget that "turning the other cheek" crap, as you're just going to get hit again. Instead, turn around and beat the living *(&# out of him. I'm not saying kill the punk (thats a completely different issue), but a swift bash across the shins with a bat will keep him on the ground for awhile. (not the knee, you dont want to cause permanent damage) You gotta let people know you're not going to let yourself be pushed around, and unfortunately we live in a world where sometimes it does take force to get that message across.

Oh, and my brother is 7 years older than me, just think what crap I had to deal with from him growing up. But we're cool now.

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Quote: "You gotta let people know you're not going to let yourself be pushed around, and unfortunately we live in a world where sometimes it does take force to get that message across."


Half true and half wrong. If everyone started bashing each other up i think that the death rate might go up a few notches. Then again, if the guy is a homicidal maniac, ya you might want to beat him down.

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Technically if a 7 year old were to punch a profesial foot ball player they could be charged with 5th degree assaut.

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Quote: "Technically if a 7 year old were to punch a profesial foot ball player they could be charged with 5th degree assaut."


What about a professional boxer? if so I could imagine the tabloids having a field day on that one.

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Ah, the "my big brother is a jerk who hits me" problem. Raise your hand if you have an older brother. Now raise your hand if your older brother hit you growing up. Did anyone's hand go down? I didn't think so. This is the responsibility of every older brother... to beat you up so you get tougher. There's only three ways to resolve this problem:

(A) Hit back
(B) Announce to your family that you're coming out of the closet, which would keep him from wanting to touch you
(C) Hit back

I'd go with option A personally. Maybe option C even, but I prefer A. When being mugged, there's only two types of people in the world. The first person hands over his wallet and says "please don't kill me!" The second person says "that's not a knife... THIS is a knife!" Be that second person. Sure, he's bigger than you, but that doesn't mean you can't whoop him up and down the Hudson . Give this a try right now. Hold up one hand flat and make a fist with the other hand. Try to remember how hard you're throwing your punch, and hit your other hand. Now wait a few seconds until the hand you'd hit doesn't hurt. Ready? Okay, now loosen up your fisted-hand. Throw that loose hand at the other hand, and just as they're connecting, tighten up your fist. Hurt more? Good, then you did it right. Do that to your brother a few times and I promise you he'll never think of hitting you again . And someday when you're getting mugged, believe it or not, you'll actually thank your brother for physically and mentally preparing you for the day's events .

Or you could just tell your parents.


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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 22:47
Quote: "Did anyone's hand go down? I didn't think so."


Mine did

Quote: "that's not a knife... THIS is a knife!" Be that second person"


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Quote: "Be that second person. "

unless that certain mugger's knife happens to actually be a gun... in which case it would be less than intelligent to confront him (being in the desperate state that he is ).

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lol,it seems a bunch of you seem to forget,that this guy is 20 years old That makes him an adult. Now,my brother two years older than me,if he hits me,I will not act like this,because hes nowhere near as strong as my adult brother. But everything was pretty much solved after like the first hour or two from within this happened...lol.

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I grew up getting into fights daily just walking home from school. I didn't start them, but if I wanted to make it back and forth to school I had to make sure I finished them.

But since some people here are against fighting, here's what you do. Find the biggest kid you know and make friends with him. Or tell him you'll pay him 2 twinkies a day for protection.

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Quote: "unless that certain mugger's knife happens to actually be a gun... in which case it would be less than intelligent to confront him (being in the desperate state that he is"

Eh, I'm never worried about guns. Chances are he's too cowardly to shoot anyone, and that's why he's mugging me in the park rather than robbing banks or kidnapping rich people's kids/ pets/ spouses. If he shoots me, he better hope I die. If he doesn't shoot and I'm right (which will probably end up being the case 9 times out of 10) then I keep my money and he finds a new line of work See? Everyone wins!


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I wouldn't count on someone with a gun to not shoot me just because they think it would be cowardly. I've had friends who had guns pulled on them at their doorsteps. In one case, the guy was only after the wallet. In the other case, 2 guys jumped my friend (a girl) and took only her purse. Those same guys were caught due to using her credit card but were also found to be the ones who followed a girl home from her work (where my friend worked) and burned her alive in the trunk of a car.

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Dear Lord Phaelax, that's one of the most awful things I've ever heard. This is one of those terrible things I'm going to be thinking about, one of those depressing things. I can't even find the words to describe it. There is no amount of suffering those people can endure that will punish them sufficiently.

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Cowards are the worst people to face, they're unpredictable and can panic, thus accidentally blowing your brains out, they may not want to shoot you, but with their hand on the trigger and not expecting any resistance, they could easily panic and squeeze it.

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