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Allanon Shadeslayer
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why aren't most games compatible with mac?? in my opinion macs are overall better computers that Windows. Anyone else with me?
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No.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 05:39 Edited at: 13th Jan 2007 05:41
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absolutely not.

http://allowe.com/Humor/video/Apple,GamerSwitchAd.wmv

http://allowe.com/Humor/video/SwitchFromMac.mpeg

EDIT: if thew second link says you don't have the right permissions, just go to the address bar and press enter to re-goto the the link.

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those are awesome zaibatsu!

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AlanC
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Bro I'm with you all the way.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

Run exe's on your mac

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Nice Vids, I've seen the second before though... Still funny

Also, just a warning, that second video is nearly 50MB for anyone on a slow connection

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 08:45
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Should probably mention the links don't work in IE.

Those video is really old.

But yea, Mac sucks for gaming. Actually, I haven't really found anything that a Mac can do that Windows can't do just as well.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 08:50
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Boat Anchor? Can't say I've ever seen a Windows box with a handle just right for that very purpose before

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It's a bit of a fallacy that "Macs are better than Windows" (that should be 'OS X is better than Windows', surely). They excel in some areas - the user interface is *mostly* better than XP, but Vista mostly solved that, and there are still some very annoying legacy loops you need to jump through to do the most basic things.

The ease of use and nice integration of the core OS X packages are, imho, the real clear advantage it has. Add that to the vastly superior security model, and distinct lack of viruses, and you'd almost forgive it for having not even a squirt of software in comparison to Windows, and being terrible for gaming. I think Macs are like Linux. Everyone gets excited about this 'free and different' OS, they install it, have a blast for a few days and then suddenly realise "crap, I need to actually do some work", or "I really feel like playing a decent game now". Voila. Brick wall.

Depending on your line of work (most specifically anything graphics , sound or video related) depends if they're any real use to you or not. Personally I think a lot of people are buying them atm without really carefully considering what can be done on them (i.e. it's a trend, bought on by their style more than anything)

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 12:01
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Quote: "G5"


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Quote: "why aren't most games compatible with mac??"


Developers probably see DirectX as being far easier to use (and/or) more powerful than OpenGL.

DirectX is fully supported on Windows simply because it is Microsoft's. DirectX probably does work on Linux and OS X, but not perfectly, and I don't know for sure, but would Microsoft be prepared to make it work on other systems... Probably not, they'd rather people bought their OS.
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There are actually a "quite a few" games out for the Mac and the number is ever increasing, however most games run over DirectX which makes it impossible to work on Mac.

IMHO - this isn't OSX's fault. I blame MS. If MS Opened up DirectX as an API that was cross platform then they might lose out on money from OS sales, however they could justify charging more for the developer apps for it and I can definately see it being used more by companies if the potential market for their games suddenly opens up to more operating systems...

Dont blame Apple - its not their fault that the monopolising company made the leading gaming API for their OS only.
Just as its not MS's fault that OSX is (usually) the developers choice when it comes to video, image and web development.

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I had Concentric working on an iMac yesterday

Admittedly it was an iMac Core2 Duo running Windows XP but it was an iMac none-the-less.

It was at work, so I can't take a photo now but on monday I will upload a photo of my compo entry running on an iMac



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Mac OS X is great, Windows XP is okay, without the annoyances its a great OS (Please bear in mind, these are my opinions) But of course Mac OS X isn't compatible with as many games, because there aren't many game engines that will go for a Mac, it used to be because of the processor, now that they've gone intel, in theory there should be the ability for developers to start developing there.

But if you use an Intel Mac, you can grab bootcamp, install XP and plays any games you can't on there, so you get the best of both worlds. For some companies the conversion to Mac is too much trouble for the amount of market they would get, although the market is beginning to have the potential for a bigger market, hence there are more Mac games around. But for now, gamers who use a Mac install XP as a second OS.

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Another thing to bear in mind is that OSX isn't really a gaming platform. It was never designed to be. Its more aimed at production.

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I do Graphic Art and Design at Leeds Met uni, and typically, everybody loves Macs. I can't understand why though.

Usually they bring up compatibility as a reason, but as pretty much every piece of software used in the creative industry is made, or owned by Adobe. Brilliantly, you can transfer Adobe files between Windows and OSX seamlessly. I can't honestly see any reason for this myth to persist.

The "Macs are better" one winds me up no end. As students are funds are pretty limited, so why spend £800+ on a mac that'll do work adequately, when you can buy a PC for the same that'll let you work at least twice as fast. Mac's cost far to much for what you get. I bought a pretty powerful PC a few months ago, and it far outstrips anything My Uni has to offer(unless they have a supercomputer somewhere i guess).

Also, as a side note. In my first year my tutor said OSX was better because you didn't see any file extensions... No you don't, but that's because it makes another hidden file that tells the mac what the original file was. Nevermind that you can hide the file extensions in XP anyway.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 16:56 Edited at: 13th Jan 2007 16:56
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Quote: "those are awesome zaibatsu!"


thank you.

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Posted: 13th Jan 2007 17:15
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@Maniac - it all depends on preference. Some people prefer Ford's to Vaxhaul cars - why? Who knows.

Personally, I prefer OSX to work on - it just feels better (imho). Example: The other day I took my Mac Book Pro to work. Asides from the fact its massively better than my work machine (Work:Laptop, Single Coreual Core, 1Gb RAM:2Gb RAM, Intel GFX:Radeon X1600, IDE Hard Disk:SATA Hard Disk, etc) - I just found working on the laptop made my day entirely more productive and enjoyable. Not at any point did the laptop randomly hang. Nothing crashed. Everything seemed to be fewer clicks away...

Thats just my opinion based on 1 day taking my laptop to work.

A good friend is into music making and he says that even though he's supported mac's in his day job for years - he finds them awkward to work on and works better in windows.

At the end of the day, its down to preference.

The reason Apple charge so much more for their stuff is:
a) The design/brand. Apple stuff is very "unique" looking - eg the iMac and iPod.
b) People will pay for it. There are people out there that will pay £800 for a machine which should cost considerably less...

Then again - I compared the £800 iMac to a standard desktop the other day. There isn't actually a HUGE amount in it - bearing in mind the £800 iMac comes with a decent 17" widescreen. Thats about £150 off the price right away, so you need to find a machine for £650 with the following spec:
* 2Ghz Core Duo 2
* 1Gb DDR RAM (2x512 DDR2 667)
* 160 Gb SATA
* ATI Radeon X1600
* 8x Dual Layer DVD RW(+ and -)
* Operating System equivalent to OSX
* Keyboard & Mouse

Plus - the entire machine fits on a desk - not base unit.

Find me a "windows" machine for £800 (or less) which is like that AND has the same "status" as a Mac does (by status I mean reputation, eg Comparing status of HP and Dell and Mac, etc - who is most reliable?)

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The "Macs are better" one winds me up no end."


I hate the entire 'this is better the rest are beneath it' ideas people have, whether it be mac, PC, 3DS Max, Maya, DBP, Blitz 3D, PS 3 or Xbox 360, because the entire thing is subjective, there is no latter, but only the ones that suit you, all have their positives and negatives, I wish a lot of people got their head straight with that one.

Quote: "As students are funds are pretty limited, so why spend £800+ on a mac that'll do work adequately, when you can buy a PC for the same that'll let you work at least twice as fast."



Actually I'll have to contradict you on that one, you're paying for reliability/quality hardware, start out of the box stuff. You'd only buy cheaper if you don't mind compromising quality for power and value.

So -
Normal Prices
Mac Book £750
Mac Mini £399
iMac £679

Student Prices
Mac Book £700
iMac £640
Mac Mini £370

Students through UCAS Prices:
Mac Book £660
Mac Mini £360
iMac £611

Okay you can get cheaper PC's, but they consist of Time and Dells and such like, personally I wouldn't compromise on quality, but some would, if you're doing university work, I would want something that you know is going to be fine tuned and you'll be paying those sort of prices on a Mac or a PC for that.

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Of course then there is the "Macs dont get viruses"... Thats not technically true, but for every virus on a Mac there must be at least a thousand for Windows. Thats only (or at least mainly) due to exposure... OSX doesn't have the exposure like windows does.

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I didn't mean any offense it's just that every time I've used a Mac it's seemed to run smoother than my XP.
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how do you mean "smoother"? Mac "flow" nicer - what with things like the genie minimize effect... but that's just a gimmick really.

Stability... OSX (imho) is mostly more stable than XP... But given a badly written program, both OS's fall apart pretty quickly.

Security... OSX is based on a much more secure system (unix) compared to XP. Vista is meant to be better - however at the end of the day - if the user is stupid enough to set the root/admin password as "password" or even nothing at all then they deserve all they get.

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I think it's just easier to work with files and stuff
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Quote: "I think it's just easier to work with files and stuff"


Succinct!

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ok the other day i tried to delete an entire file but it made me go deep into it and delete all of the stuff individually. The mac i used let me just delete the whole file.
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I use my ibook almost every day. I still use Windows but when it comes to upgrading I'm definitely considering getting an Intel Mac and running bootcamp. I could happily stick with OS X (at the moment I only use a windows machine for msn messenger, although Adium is a great alternative for OS X) but I wouldn't blame the rest of the family for wanting to stick with Windows, they're happy enough with it.

And there are plenty of top-notch games for OS X. If anyone truly believes that great games don't need next-gen graphics then you'll find plenty of entertainment at Pangea Soft and Ambrosia Software.

I don't necessarily think Apple is any better than Microsoft but I personally prefer OS X over XP.

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I upgraded my G4 1.33 iBook to a Mac Book Pro 17" recently and installed Bootcamp. It makes going to LAN's SO much more bare-able as I only need take 1 bag of kit rather than an entire car load!
Thing is - MBP's aint great at cooling themselves. They get DAMN hot when playing games.

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Quote: "MBP's aint great at cooling themselves. They get DAMN hot when playing games."


Saw something on flickr last week. Some bloke had used 4 plastic bottle tops (the flat kind, like you get on plastic milk bottles) and put one under each corner of his Mac Book, apparently they did a pretty good job of keeping it cool by letting air get underneath. Any improvement wouldn't be bad to say it would be a lot more portable than most of those cooling-stands and is super cheap to boot.

You could even paint a little apple logo on each one and say apple only sent them to people whom they deemed leet enough to need them.

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haha - I've seen that too. When I was at the LAN my mate lent me this laptop cooling device which has 2 fans powered by a USB lead. The whole thing was an alluminum wedge which not only made the laptop easier to use but REALLY kept it cool (it still got hot, but controllably hot).

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Heat is most definately a problem. I use three 24" iMacs at work and the heat they give off is phenominal!
I suppose a PC would give off a similar amount of heat but you can tuck the base until under the desk and away from you. There is no escape from 3 big screens pumping out heat.



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I suppose you could also generalise that people using PC's at work use them for Word, Email and Internet - not exactly taxing stuff... whereas people using Mac's might use them for more high-end development stuff like Photoshop, etc which might cause the PC to work harder?

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Im a mac and PC studio.
PCS numerous towers + 1 lappie
nothing to call home about tho.

work machines
dual 2500 mhz ppc g5 3 gigs of ram 9800 ATI 256
g4 800 mhz 1.5 gigs of ram ATI 32 7200
g3 lombard 400mhz mac lappie 256 ram
g3 wall street 266mhz mac lappie 256 ram

These machines are helping to pay off two units, and primarily used for GD/WEB/VIDEO/3D/MM
I removed all the games as it was waisting too much time.
I keep my games on the PC side now.

keepers for vintage nostalgia
200 mhz 7220 power mac
80 mhz 7100/80
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mac plus 4 megs ram 20 meg hd!

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Quote: "keepers for vintage nostalgia
200 mhz 7220 power mac
80 mhz 7100/80
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mac plus 4 megs ram 20 meg hd! "

Thats some old hardware! Might be worth something soon...

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the mac plus just hit 25 years, so its def. an ebay gem

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Ok, as promised ... here is my compo entry running on a Mac:





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you [expletive]... You have 3 iMacs... At work or home? At work I'm stuck with a Dell... SO wish I had a Mac (I'm a webmaster by trade)!

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That's at work.

I translate help files and debug software (Premiere Pro & Photoshop CS3 at the moment). So, I have them set up in English, French and Spanish. Whilst it is easy to change the language on a mac, it is a lot easier still to use another one instead



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"teleport" or "synergy" would allow you to remove all but one KB and mouse mate

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Synergy looks good - all i need is two machines to make it worthwhile installing But if I got ANOTHER machine - i think my Girlfriend would kill me

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Thanks, but I don't want to get rid of the keyboards. One is English, one French and the other Spanish. It makes for greater productivity.



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nice work setup mate by the way
I can understand why you wouldnt want to mess with synergy or teleport.
I dont have to work with multiple languages.

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I was gonna say the same thing about Synergy.

Quote: "But if I got ANOTHER machine - i think my Girlfriend would kill me "

Put your foot down and let her know who's boss!
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Scraggle is that mosue with the black rubber ring around the bottom made by Labtec? If it is then its the exact same one I'm using now!
Although your looks cleaner!


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Mac's are great. Unfortunately I've been too busy playing games to code anything Recently brought Jets'n'Guns, Active Lancer, and want to get Tasty Planet & Imperial Glory.

The Movies & Prey has just come out for the Mac - if your interested in that sort of thing

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