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Darth Vader
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Posted: 16th Jan 2007 01:48
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Actually I mean Mii!

I was wondering if anyone has a Wii and a DSlite and can tell me how they interact with one another? Also how much do points cost. I mean is it something like $5.00 AUS to buy a N64 game?
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Posted: 16th Jan 2007 01:54
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I've never used my ds and wii together but as for the points:

NES games: 500 points: $7.50 approx.
SNES/MD: 800 points: $12 approx.
N64: 1000 points: $15 approx.

*all prices in aussie dollars*


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Posted: 16th Jan 2007 01:57
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Thats not to bad, but still Nintendo won't miss out on making money!


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Posted: 16th Jan 2007 02:12
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Also how do you get Hombrew games onto a DSlite? What hardware do I need to buy? Is it also possible to get movies onto it?


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a few months back to make Homebrew (Indie) games for your NDS, Lik Seng would've been the answer. Unfortunately Sony have forced them out of business so I'd suggest looking for the hardware.

There's lots of devkits for indie developers around, only a Live!Search away too

As for the NDS and Wii interaction, basically they link via WiFi. This said I don't have any games that support it, so aside from using it as a writing pad for internet messaging; i've not really used it much. (that said I got my Wii yesterday )

It automatically will detect any WiFi connection within 300yards though, might be more; not sure. We've only really tested this from within the apt block.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2007 03:57
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Making DS games is easy

Have a look at this thread to see some resources I posted.

If you have an NDSLite, however, you'll have a difficult time flashing your firmware.
It is definatly possible, but you need a PassMe2 device, and a GBA flash cart. Then you have to bridge an SL1 contact on the back, and then you're good to go!

For full info on running homebrew on your DS, head over to gbadev.org and look at the stickies in the DS forums.

Oh, and although Lik-Sang did provide DS homebrew hardware, it was by far not one of the best... It was expensive, and didn't stock all the different types you can get.
There are plenty of places to get the hardware you need, all of which are listed on the gbadev.org forum.

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Quote: "aside from using it as a writing pad for internet messaging"


How the heck do I do this?

I have vague plans for World Domination
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Posted: 17th Jan 2007 07:32
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I don't believe any of the Wii games talk to the DS yet.

In the future Nintendo has commented on allowing us to download DS demos on the Wii and send them over to the DS. This would be pretty sweet

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Posted: 17th Jan 2007 13:05
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Hmm, that could possibly lead to a new version of Wirelessly booting homebrew games without the need to update the firmware... Interesting.

(And before anyone blows a gasket...) Any game downloaded via wireless must be less than 3Mbits in size, otherwise it will not fit into internal ram (since there's no rom for it to be read off), so it's not possible to play commercial games this way

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The PSP can act as a rearview mirror in GT on the PS3, which is quite a nice idea - but I expect a lot more from a Wii and DS collaboration.

Like using the DS as a map system in Res Evil 5, actually referring to it like a GPS but maybe using it for puzzle solving, like a little PDA if you know what I mean (90' rotated, like Brain Academy).

Like a lot of Wii owners, I'm waiting on the real games to come out, like Wii Sports is a lot of fun, but real sports games on the Wii should be great, Wiimote boxing gloves for example would be pretty cool. The thing about the Wii though, is that it actually get's you playing games together, when you want a round of bowling, it's pretty easy to find 3 people to challenge, even non-gamers are willing to have a go. I think Nin's toughest challenge will be keeping everyone happy, but in terms of the next gen war, well this supposed current gen console is kicking ass. With sales creeping up on the 4mil mark, the 360 has not breached 10mil yet and it's been out for over a year - I think Nin wants it's industry back.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2007 23:28
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Quote: "Like using the DS as a map system in Res Evil 5, actually referring to it like a GPS but maybe using it for puzzle solving, like a little PDA if you know what I mean (90' rotated, like Brain Academy)."


I would love if they implemented something like that... there is definitely a lot of potential but will the developers make the effort? I can see so many things you could do with the wii/ds combination we'll just have to wait and see what comes about...


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Posted: 17th Jan 2007 23:43
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Well no Wii games in the U.S interact with the DS yet. Pokemon Battle Revolution does, but that is only available in Japan right now.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2007 01:33
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Given how the GameCube and GameBoy Advance worked together on a few games, you can expect Nintendo to really encourage this sort of interaction to expand for this generation.

I mean it wasn't exactly in a huge number of NGC Games, but it is likely to change with the Wii.

Motion Sensor Controls + Touch-Screen, as well as 3 screens of possible output. I can see atleast one company wanting to take advantage of that.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2007 05:59
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Plus it's wireless so no need to buy a special link cable.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2007 12:45
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Quote: "Plus it's wireless so no need to buy a special link cable."


Ya that helps a ton. I have a GBA and GC but i don't connect my games at all because i'm too lazy to buy a connector cord.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 08:18
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Is this okay for Home Brew DSlite functions?
http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,893.0.html
Also a place called Divineo sells alot of Console stuff
http://www.divineo.co.uk/cgi-bin/div-uk/index.html
Is this a place I can trust? Does anybody know I mean they look really professional!
Thanks!


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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 14:30 Edited at: 6th Mar 2007 14:31
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At one point, the Neo Flash team were the leaders in homebrew hardware, but they've been taken over by other, cheaper alternatives that generally run just as good, if not better.

If you want to find out more, look Here.
I have a GBA cart (slot-2) called an EFA-II 1Gbit, and am looking to upgrade to a SuperCard SD so I can have fat filesystem support in my homebrew (and can test it!) whilst still being able to boot and play GBA homebrew (which a slot-1 device can't do).

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Jess, have you seen this?

http://nintendo-ds.dcemu.co.uk/games-n-music-new-mass-market-homebrew-device-for-nintendo-ds-54840.html

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Posted: 6th Mar 2007 18:01
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I personally use an EFA-I and a Max Media Launcher. Works pretty darn fantastically. No problems at all, except my first EFA-I packed up.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Kentaree,
No, I hadn't seen it, but at that price it's pretty much guarenteed to fail. In my experience, Datel haven't had a good rep (never tried it for myself, so I'm biased, but I've heard some bad things).

At any rate, that's a slot-1 device, which means I could not play GBA homebrew on it at all, which is a large concern for me as there are some really nice GBA homebrew games out and about!

Nex, yeah, I'm sorta regretting getting an EFA-II since it doesn't natively support booting .ds.gba files (like the EFA-I does), so I need a little workaround which requires me to be near a PC.
I don't have a pass-through device since I used WiFiMe and my flash cart to flash my firmware.

A popular slot-1 device is the M3 which seems to be quite a good device.
Natrium42 lists a few of the more popular devices, but then again, each one performs differently, and each person may need it for different purposes (eg DLDI support, .gba support, .gba with 32MB RAM support, etc, etc).

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I use an M3 for my homebrewing needs. It rocks!

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 07:24
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Whats the difference between Slot 1 and Slot 2?


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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 10:57
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Slot 1 is the one especially for DS games, and slot 2 is for GBA games

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I'm getting a Max Media Launcher and a Supercard SD. But I have a few questions,

1. Does the Max Media Launcher support .ds and .gba? So that way I can play both DS games and Gameboy Advance Games?

2. Look here,
http://www.natrium42.com/shop/supercardsd.php
It says at the bottom that it doesn't support backup games, does that mean it can't play roms? Does it mean that I can only play homebrew?

Thanks!


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Don't go asking about ROMs here. Most (if not all) of these adapters work for homebrew games. It is, however, illegal to copy a commercial ROM onto your device, so to be safe you should find out about that kind of thing somewhere else.

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Opps sorry Jeku! Thanks for not locking my thread!


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Darth,

Since the MML is a Slot-1 device, you cannot run Game Boy Advanced homebrew from it, no.

The difference between running GBA homebrew and NDS is that the NDS homebrew has to have the RSA signature testing passed or skipped, and then control is passed (whilst the DS is still in NDS mode) to the .nds file and run like a commercial game.
A GBA game, on the other hand, is simply run straight from the GBA slot (in GBA mode on the DS) with no RSA checking, etc.
This means that when code is executed from the slot-1, the DS is put into NDS mode, and cannot run GBA code.

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