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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 23rd Jan 2007 21:48
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Yes, it's true, and it's rather nice too! Great interface, fast booting, everything. It can also run DX9 games. COD2 worked just fine, but be warned, there are a couple differences. For one thing, the DX9 shaders like bloom would not render, and everything looked like it had -2x Antialiasing on. :p So, depending on what I feel like playing/coding, I either boot in XP or Vista.

I've got a little question though. After I installed it, everything was fine. I played COD2 in XP and everything worked ok. The next day, my sound would only work in Vista, not XP. Everything is plugged in...it's really wierd. Any ideas?

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2007 22:58
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It probably corrupted your sound driver for XP.

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2007 23:39
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Well then why would it have worked the first time?

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corruption is a slow process, slow and painful.


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What kind of video card is in your laptop Sam, that may be why the bloom effects weren't working.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 02:43
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Oh, it's not on my laptop, it's on my desktop. I'm not really worried about that, I think it's just because I was running a DX9 game on DX10, the main thing is just to get the sound working!

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Oh, ok.

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Hey Uncle Sam I got Windows Vista ULtimate Also except FPSC has had extreme amount of problems with biulding+testing+previewing! Have you had that happen to your comp also ??
P.S sorry about attach bad type of pic, nxt is to be a real pic

My game(no-name yet) 27% and stopped until FPSCX10
as I have vista and can't run the normal FPSC!

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 09:39
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Halospree, I don't have FPSC, and I haven't tried DBP in Vista yet, but the problems you are having are probably just because you are running a DirectX 9 application on DirectX 10. Not much can be done except to get FPSC x10.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 13:21
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Quote: "corruption is a slow process, slow and painful."

Too true...
been using ultimate for about a month now (thanks to the wonders of MSDN) and have had the bloody thing fall over so many times (twice in 20 mins...freeze...1 min later turns back...then cursor freeze..then turns white...then 15mins later came back to life with a program not responding error) its just too many bugs at the mo. XP is back on until service-pack1 is out.



..Good luck though

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 14:33
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I installed Vista Home Premium the other day (I don't need the features/bloat of Ultimate, there's nothing it has that Home. Prem. doesn't for me)

I have to admit the whole experience has been utterly pain free. It installed in less than 10mins, was auto-updated and virus protected in under 5mins and I was up and running installing my favourite apps in no time at all. It auto-discovered my network printer and it worked first time, without the need to install the crappy HP bloatware. It works fine with my hardware, and all the apps I have installed, bar one, work too.

It's slicker, faster, more responsive and hasn't crashed yet. Switching back to XP (I dual boot them) is strange. Needless to say I've got bags of RAM and a very fast PC, which I know makes a difference, but then I wouldn't have installed Vista if I didn't.

So far, so lovely.

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I have Vista business here, but I haven't installed it. I fear my hardware is not up to scratch so im going to wait

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Im scared that my specs arnt goodengh either so im waiting, i dont even no how to get vista can i download it free or do i pay?.

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I have Vista Business as well as Vista Ultimate, but have yet to install either...

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 21:32 Edited at: 24th Jan 2007 21:33
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I have to agree that that Vista is really good, or at least my MSDN version of it! But yea like you said DX9 doesn't work that great with Vista, HL-2 looks kinda weird; too bright, enemy turns and runs in circles randomily! Also i've run into problems other than video... When runnig Quake 4 the OS seems to be messing with the game i.e when you ativate a flashlight your allies run in a circle saying i'm kinda busy right now!WTF!! i don't know if the kernel or something doesn't corporate with the game engine, but it must be something... Also in F.E.A.R or other games the textures all apper black+white except for your guns+hands+legs... something is defently messing with programs here...
P.S uncle sam you might want to upgrade your P4

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 22:01
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Quote: "can i download it free or do i pay?"


It's Windows, so of course you must pay for it

Not to brag or anything, but my work comp is running with 8 CPU cores, and XP will not use that extra power for squat diddly so it doesn't seem *that* fast. Anyone know if Vista would take advantage of extra CPU cores?

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After what i've heard Vista has been made for better utilizazion of dual cores, not the Quad or AMD's upcoming 8 proc...
But their saying that in Vista SP1 or SP2 they might throw in a better utilization of dual and quad cores... I qould say they have to with AMD's FX-74 and Intel's QX6700
Or am I wrong...

My game(no-name yet) 27% and stopped until FPSCX10
as I have vista and can't run the normal FPSC!
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Posted: 25th Jan 2007 04:53
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Something wierd happened!

I logged on to XP Pro this morning, did a couple of things, then locked the computer (I'm one who does not like to turn off his computer). I came back later and unlocked it, and whadya know, the sound came back! After two days, it worked fine!

What is going on here?

Quote: "I installed Vista Home Premium the other day (I don't need the features/bloat of Ultimate, there's nothing it has that Home. Prem. doesn't for me)

I have to admit the whole experience has been utterly pain free. It installed in less than 10mins, was auto-updated and virus protected in under 5mins and I was up and running installing my favourite apps in no time at all. It auto-discovered my network printer and it worked first time, without the need to install the crappy HP bloatware. It works fine with my hardware, and all the apps I have installed, bar one, work too.

It's slicker, faster, more responsive and hasn't crashed yet. Switching back to XP (I dual boot them) is strange. Needless to say I've got bags of RAM and a very fast PC, which I know makes a difference, but then I wouldn't have installed Vista if I didn't.

So far, so lovely."


You're right about that. I can't really do anything in Vista that I can't do in XP Pro...yet...I mainly got it so that I'll be able to play DX10 games, and for DBPx10 too.

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I run DirectX9 games perfectly fine on my desktop (my notebook running Vista Business only has a DirectX7 card so it can't really run diddly squat to begin with)

It could be the fact that you're not updating to the lastest Vista Catalyst/Forceware drivers. No idea about NVIDIA's support as I've not used Vista since Beta 1 on a GeForce card, but the latest Catalyst on the X1K-Series works beautifully.

Also I've not noticed any odd behaviour on Halo (Halo 2 is designed for Vista, uses DirectX10 and more importantly not released yet )... F.E.A.R., Tomb Raider Legend, Doom 3, Quake 4, Half-Life 2, etc. run just fine. In many cases much better than on Windows XP.

When I switched (start of December) to Vista, I noticed my 2x Dual-Core system performed MUCH better. However this said I did seem to loose Photoshop CS2, as it refused to work even in XP-Compatibility mode.

I think for most the change probably will be best in a few weeks time once driver manufacturers have properly implimented Vista drivers. Most available right now are still designed for RC1, and there are some incompatibilities that have appeared.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2007 10:32 Edited at: 25th Jan 2007 10:54
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Quote: "It's slicker, faster, more responsive and hasn't crashed yet. Switching back to XP (I dual boot them) is strange. Needless to say I've got bags of RAM and a very fast PC, which I know makes a difference, but then I wouldn't have installed Vista if I didn't."


Rich, are you running the 64 or 32 bit version of Vista? If 64 bit, any driver or installation problems with other programs?

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I'm running the 32-bit version. I was going to go 64-bit but there's just no point yet. Drivers are more scarce and virtually nothing takes advantage *yet*. When I rebuild this PC in a years time I'll upgrade to Vista 64.

I've noticed no problems gaming on it either. Infact it's much better than on XP. I'm working my way through HL2 Episode One and have definitely not seen any issues re: AI or graphics! I'm on the part where you just encounter the strider in the train station, and trust me, his AI is spot-on (damn it).

I love the way Aero really uses the graphics card for rendering. Attached is a screen shot taken for fun mostly. I have World of Warcraft running, with maxed-out settings, I have Far Cry running (1.4) with fully maxed settings running in demo loop mode, there is also Photoshop, Firefox, MSN and my email client running. It did this without breaking a sweat. My dual-core CPU didn't push above 75%, although not surprisingly I was using 1.6GB of RAM! The fact of the matter is, it worked. No 'juddering', no 'slow down', it just works.

And I absolutely love the fact that when you tool-tip the taskbar, the visual tool-tips for games show the game window actually running in rea-ltime, as does the 3D alt-tab. Gorgeous

It's slick, it hasn't crashed yet, and with the very neat sleep/hibernate mode, it boots in 2 seconds.

Cheers,

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Ooooooooooooh Rich you play WoW im only just got it for christmas but what server are you on just curios, sorry for the off topicness.

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Cool, thanks Rich. After checking around, 32 bit seems to be the recommendation unless you're running a specialized workstation PC. I'll be rebuilding my rig next week and dropping in my new 8800 (yay!).

Anyone know if upgrading to the 64 bit version will require purchasing a new license? Or will both versions be included on the CD/DVD?

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Quote: "Anyone know if upgrading to the 64 bit version will require purchasing a new license? Or will both versions be included on the CD/DVD?"


Depends which version you buy. I bought the OEM version of Home Premium, because it's really cheap and does what I need. The downside is that I cannot change my motherboard without buying a new license for it (I can change any other bit of hardware), but as I don't intend to do this anytime soon, that's not an issue. The OEM versions come in either 32 or 64 bit, so you have to decide up front.

The Retail Boxed versions of Vista come with 32-bit AND 64-bit on the same DVD, you just pick which version you want when you install. You also are not limited on the number of times you may activate it.

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Rich won't tell us which server he is on... and for good reason, I don't blame him There's lots of losers on WoW that bug you all day as it is, not saying anyone here IS. But there's always that chance. You don't want one of those people chasing you around expecting better treatment than you give other annoying people, just because you are on the same forum.

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Current implimentation allows you to put in the DVD and there's an option for conversion. So you can jump between 32-bit and 64-bit at any time.

This said with the large number of Managed libraries, the realistic nature is that there is very little performance difference between the two except for each applications own architecture useage.

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In regards to program compatibility, do we know whether apps like Visual Studio 2005 work on it? I know a whole bunch of CD burning apps that won't work on it, but VS is the only app I use heavily as of recently, and if works flawlessly I'll jump ship ASAP to Vista.

I assume it will, but you never know - VC6 doesn't work quite so well with XP..


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Quote: "In regards to program compatibility, do we know whether apps like Visual Studio 2005 work on it?"


Microsoft says no for the time being, you can install SP1 and then the Vista BETA patch. Once it is out of beta, they will say yes. I haven't used VS heavily in Vista, but with the patches it works ok. See the patch page for details on what is broken.

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