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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 29th Jan 2007 05:50 Edited at: 29th Jan 2007 05:51
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Did anyone see this on Discovery Channel tonight? It's a fairly realistic prediction of what life will be like in 50 years. It's three parts, the body, the city, and the world. I've only seen the first part, cause I DVR'd them so I don't have to sit through commercials . If you saw them what'd you think? If not, it's coming on again tomorrow night on the Discovery Channel, I'd recommend watching/recording it if that kind of stuff interests you.

My favorite part was the part on the future of surgery because it seemed reasonable yet very cool and logical. Almost like a video game actually. Like the part where surgeons could operate on someone on a battlefield on a different continent. Anyways, anyone else see this?

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I saw all three parts, but its actually 4 parts, the next is transportation. Coming februrary 7th at 8.

Alot of the stuff in the predictions seemed really unlogical, then technology behind them did, but the screens coming out in the middle of nowwhere? Doubt it. Also, the phone things on your hand hurts me when I try to pretend to have it, so I didn't quite like that. but otherwise, I got all giddy when I saw that show.

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Heh, back in the 80's they had predictions of year 2000... They couldn't have been farther from wrong! LOL!

But sounds interesting. I'd like to see it but I don't have cable.

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Quote: "but the screens coming out in the middle of nowwhere?"

They were all projected from somewhere, and there actually is the prototypes for some holographic technologies, and although not perfect, we're talking 50 years in the future, think what people would have said if we described computers and everything else today from 50 years ago .

Quote: "Heh, back in the 80's they had predictions of year 2000... They couldn't have been farther from wrong! LOL!"

yeah, I'd say what they are predicting will take more like 100 years, but still, that's not to far away . And speaking of the future, if you don't have cable your living in the stone age

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Quote: "And speaking of the future, if you don't have cable your living in the stone age "


Eh, I wouldn't even watch it much if we had it. TV rarely interests me. There'd be the occasional Discovery Channel show, or something along those lines, but that's all. I go to friends houses and we usually end up watching the tv guide channel for a half hour waiting for something intersting to be on. Besides, most good shows can be streamed or downloaded off the internet nowadays anyhow.

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That show rocked. I think the coolest part was the fact that someday a new organ will be able to be made with human tissure and a printer. Pretty amazing.

The only part I have to complain about is the "storyline" they tried to throw in there. Wasn't very apealling.

Quote: "Like the part where surgeons could operate on someone on a battlefield on a different continent."


The Internet is going to have to advance a lot before that can happen. Can't do that with DSL!

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Posted: 30th Jan 2007 04:04
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I saw a different show where they demonstrated how a surgeon operated on someone on the other side of the country using a robotic arm and video hook-up. It was quite interesting.


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Quote: "The only part I have to complain about is the "storyline" they tried to throw in there. Wasn't very apealling."

yeah, I didn't like that they tried to throw in a miniature soap opera, lol.

Quote: "The Internet is going to have to advance a lot before that can happen. Can't do that with DSL!"

Well think about how long it's come in the last 15 years. I don't think that in 50 years it will be a problem .

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Yeah, especially if they perfect the internet transmitted by laser. The show said it'd be 10x faster than the fastest internet available now; if it'd work.

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"The Sleeper Awakes" was written by H.G. Wells in 1899, and set 203 years in the future - i.e. in the year 2002 - had wind turbines for electricity generation.
Jules Verne wrote one in 1863 called "Paris in the Twentieth Century" set in 1960's, and had automobiles and fax machines.

I'm sure both of these are amazingly far off, but it's funny the things they do get right, sometimes.

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I can't even begin to think of what life will be like in 50 years. I mean we have quad-core processors right now and i hear AMD is working on a 8 core? If thats true then OMFG JEBUS! in 50 years quad-cores will be relects, infact they probably won't even have cores they'll just be like quantum computers or something, there core will be a crystal with light shooting though it....or something....

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Quote: ""The Sleeper Awakes" was written by H.G. Wells in 1899, and set 203 years in the future - i.e. in the year 2002 - had wind turbines for electricity generation."

1899 + 203 = 2102 . But that's cool, I always think it's wierd when people predict thing like that.

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Doh. Oops. I'll go change the batteries in my brain now.

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I thought the show was really interesting, escpecially the part where the kid introduces a virus to the entire city by connecting an old laptop to the modern network. But there was some very, very dissappointing stuff in there, and the sad part is, it's more than likely going to end up being true.

Insurance Companies owning your body.

I know this isn't a forum for debates on this sort of material, but that part scared the crap out of me, mostly because it's going to happen. Having smart clothes that can determine when you're sick, or when you're starting to put on weight, or when your heart rate is too high, or when you've sustained an injury... that's awesome. But insurance companies knowing everything you eat and otherwise do with your body? That's private and should never happen (but of course it will, as soon as they can figure out how to do it). I'd love to see the US go with socialized medicine like the UK has, but I'm sure it'll never happen . Anyway, that part of the show scared the crap out of me. I'll become a hermit and live out in the forest under a rock or something long before I allow the insurance companies to know what I'm eating for dinner each night.

The holographic dolphin, though, that idea is AWESOME. A GPS locator that can help your kid get home if he's lost? I wish I had one of those when I was a kid. But what I don't understand is, how do they project the image? They showed that ultra-small water vapor thing, but how do you spray that vapor wherever the hologram is supposed to be displayed? On the show, that dolphin was all over the place.

I'm willing to bet that 50 years from now, games will be the primary source of entertainment and movies will be about as popular amongst youngsters as books are today (and by that I mean most kids... reading doesn't seem like a popular form of entertainment today amongst people younger than, say, 15 or so, or at least that's how it looks to me). I can't even imagine what games will be like in 50 years, but I can't wait to see them I'll be in my seventies but hey, you're never to old to frag your friends, lol.


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Quote: "I'll become a hermit and live out in the forest under a rock or something long before I allow the insurance companies to know what I'm eating for dinner each night."


There will be no forests left.

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Quote: "There will be no forests left."


Yes there will. But I'm not going to debate anything.

Quote: "Insurance Companies owning your body."


Screw the government and insurance companies then! I'll come room with you Matt, we better start shopping for caves...

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When I saw that guy throw that jar of yellow liquid into the toilet, I thought the future was wierd. Then I realized that it was so the Insurance wouldn't know that he had been drinking beer.

Creepy.

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well, if you're worried about that sort of thing (and if I lived in America, I would be), I suggest you start lobbying against it now.


On the other hand, If you listen to Howe and Strauss we're headed for such a change in the entire world order, maybe we'll worry more about roofs over our heads more than holograms.

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Quote: "I'll come room with you Matt, we better start shopping for caves..."

Let's get packing. We need to find a place where the modern insurance company technology won't catch up to us. That narrows it down to Amish Pennsylvania and the state of Utah. Where to?

Quote: "well, if you're worried about that sort of thing (and if I lived in America, I would be), I suggest you start lobbying against it now."

What does it take to become a lobbyist? Like, what sort of degree do you need? I've always thought about becoming a game industry lobbyist to keep anti-violent game legislation at bay... but then I'm opposed to lobbying in a big way so it leaves me at ends . But it would be nice to live in a world where the insurance companies don't own your body.

I wonder what prescription drug companies are going to be like in 50 years. They're already rampant and evil. I mean seriously, restless leg syndrome? That's a syndrome?! When I was a kid, they called that "the jitters." It wasn't harmless, didn't kill anyone, and certainly didn't warrant heavy doses of medication. If they're like this now, I can't even begin to imagine what they'll be like in 50 years. I'm stealing this from Bill Maher, but he brought up a great point... those commercials always say "tell your doctor." Shouldn't your doctor tell you?


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Quote: "Let's get packing. We need to find a place where the modern insurance company technology won't catch up to us. That narrows it down to Amish Pennsylvania and the state of Utah. Where to?"


Amish country is good, we can become Menonites and be exempt from taxes, and whatever else the church chooses, all the while enjoy some more modern conveniences than the Amish. There's also some Amish country in Ohio too, to broaden our search.

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Ooh, didn't know that. Ohio is definitely nice. Pennsylvania has a nick-name amongst people from New York and New Jersey... Pennsyltucky. It's like, there's Philly, Pittsburg, then trailer homes as far as the eye can see. We'd probably be better off in Ohio But we have a problem... how do we get electricity into the cave so we can still enjoy modern-day ammenities while avoiding the onslaught of future tech?


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Quote: "But we have a problem... how do we get electricity into the cave so we can still enjoy modern-day ammenities while avoiding the onslaught of future tech?"


My dad has a gasoline powered generator we could ...borrow... It'll run a small fridge 2 PC's and some lights no problem I thing. Though if we want a TV we may have to sacrifice a computer while it's on. Oh the joys of up and coming technology!

Quote: "Pennsyltucky"


That's what my dad and uncle always call it too, lol.

And yeah, Ohio owns Pennsylvania in so many uncountable ways (I live in Ohio, and hate visiting PA)

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We're covered there, my Vaio has a bunch of media crap in it, so we can just watch TV on my PC . As long as our cave gets coax, composite, component, HDI, S-Video, or that weird USB-wannabe connection, we're set

I hate PA. No offense PA people, but your state is one of the most boring states I've ever been to. Unless you live in Philly or Pittsburg I doubt you'll disagree, lol. You cross the NY/ PA border and it's like a time-warp back to 1983!

WAIT!

That's the solution! The PA time warp! We need to learn to harness that power and then we can avoid the insurance company bodily takeover scheme entirely! But we'd need to tweak it so it's more modern. As entertaining as Ferris Beuller was, I still like modern-day entertainment But yeah, this is the ultimate solution. The cave idea is way easier, but the technology is there, in Pennsylvania... we just need to figure out how to utilize it


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Matt: as far as I'm aware, you don't need to be anything other than a taxpayer to start lobbying, but I'm English, so you'll forgive me if i don't know all the ins and outs of American Government.

oh you also need stacks of cash to bribe/blackmail/extort members of the house and senate.

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I knew there was a catch . I guess I need to come up with a few million dollars now, but it's for a good cause . You know what we need? A movement. A movement of people who share the common goal of not wanting insurance companies owning their respective bodies. Seems like there should be a pretty big group out there supporting this!


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When I was in high school mid '60s we were required to read "1984" by the British author George Orwell. 1984 eventaully came and went, before many of the forum members were born, and didn't resemble the book scenario. A few years later we were bedazzled by the movie "2001 Space Odyssey" - on really wide screens. Seems that 2001 went by too, and I haven't seen the predicted space-voyaging tech yet, or even on the drawing board. I won't be around by 2057 since it would place me at 108 years old and that does not appear to be in the cards. But I think if it were I would not be in a world like anything predicted now. I'm suspect at predicting next month.
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I liked 1984, but Animal Farm was my favorite book by Orwell. I don't think we're quite headed for an Orwellian society, but the big brother theory is starting to become a reality. How many times are you photographed and/ or videotaped in NYC if you walk through Manhattan? I hear it's 1000x worse in London, too.

In all seriousness, while we might joke around a lot about the insurance companies owning our bodies, I'm sure it's safe to say that eventually, albeit 20, 50, or even 100 years from now, it's going to end up becoming a reality. Once the technology exists, we'll all be pieces of stock But enough of my conspiracy theory talk, hehe.


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"Animal Farm" had a different purpose, meant to comment upon then-present conditions in places I won't mention i(n case anyone happens to live in one of them). "1984" was, when it was written, a sequential entry in a century-old line of "negative utopia" novels. As a literary work it was mediocre. The reason it was foisted upon me as a high school student in the mid-sixties US as compulsory English literature was no doubt the cold-war mentality. Non-compulsory viewings such as 2057 suffer from external pressures also, namely ratings. If the finest writers/scientists/historians/you name it got together and came up with a serious prediction of what the world would be like in 50 years, and if that prediction (likely true) would be that life would be even more plain-boring than it is now, do you think you would see a movie/show produced about that?
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Quote: "How many times are you photographed and/ or videotaped in NYC if you walk through Manhattan? I hear it's 1000x worse in London, too."

I think your on video 300 times a day in London. I honestly don't understand why people are so opposed to that. So what if your on tape? If your not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about. How is that any different than someone standing there looking at a street all day? It helps to catch or identify people, and the technology (facial recognition, etc.) is only getting better. I've never understood why it's such a big deal to people. It's not like it's in your bathroom and bedroom.

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Quote: "It's not like it's in your bathroom and bedroom."


What if thats the next step? *cough* Patriot act *cough*

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It's what they COULD use it for is the scary thing. There is no privacy anymore. And sure it may not be in YOUR bedroom or bathroom, but what about city run building's restrooms and hotels, you never know. Anyhow, I'm not worried someone's gonna see me naked. If that were the case I'd run around with HI written on my buttcheeks. Why you would be ok with being secretly record, monitored, and viewed is beyond me... All the more reason to live in a cave with me and Matt Rock.

There's more to it than just privacy, I won't get into it because this is on the verge of an AUP breech as it is.

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Quote: "ok with being secretly record, monitored, and viewed is beyond me"

But it's not secretely, they tell us they are doing it. And I still don't understand why it matters if your videod as long as you do nothing wrong, in which case, I hope your videod and it would decrease crime rate.

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This is going to be hard to discuss without breaching the AUP and starting some wildfire political debate, but I'm going to try my best to explain why I'm opposed to this without causing a fire to break out

Firstly, there's the simple reason... mistakes. Humans really are big dumb mammals. We don't like to think of ourselves that way, but if you think about it, we really are. And as such, we often suffer ourselves with big dumb mammal mistakes. Do you want your big dumb mammal mistakes on television? I certainly don't.

More importantly though, there's a common invasion of privacy that can take place if we allow "certain parties" (governments, corporations, reality TV shows, etc.) to film our most private, hopefully secluded moments. A first kiss. Would you want some 9 to 5 engineer in a little room under the city to watch your first kiss? What if that engineer is a lonely person whose never really been to skilled in social interaction... wouldn't it be akward for you to have this guy watch it? Or worse yet, what if that first kiss turns into a first makeout session, and Mr. socially-inept Engineer takes it upon himself to pop in a VHS tape (well, DVD-R, holodisk, whatever) so he can re-live your first up-close interaction with a member of the opposite sex? What if he decides you're so adorable with your mistress that you deserve to be shared with the world over the internet? Suddenly, those cameras that are used to protect you are going to come down on you like a ton of bricks. There's some moments in your life that might happen publically, but you still want those public activities to remain private.

But the ramifications are far worse than that... it's the candy-coated example. What if corporations got access to the feeds (as I'm sure they one day will, why wouldn't they?) and use those feeds to figure out your shopping, eating, and drinking habits? Is it anyone else's business what you do with and/ or to your own body? Or what about the government? We shouldn't discuss the plethora of reasons why the government shouldn't be permitted to watch our every move, but if you use your imagination I'm sure you could think up some pretty aweful things they could use that for.

Sure, being recorded has its benefits. It could, over time, lower crime rates and help stop house fires and whatnot before they get out of hand... but at what cost? What are you willing to sacrifice for that?

I strongly suggest that all of you grab a sleeping bag and some supplies and join me and Dink in our cave. No cameras on every wall, no smart-clothes that know when you're sleeping and know when you're awake, and definitely no toilet-scanner devices that report back to insurance companies about your health and consumption habits. You'll be safe with us


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Quote: "Would you want some 9 to 5 engineer in a little room under the city to watch your first kiss? "

But who said that an engineer would even need to watch you? The computers will be smart enough to detect problems by themselves by then. Also, even if an engineer is managing everything, he's not going to be staring at one screen. They wouldn't even need to look at any. Video cameras with facial recognition, car accident detection, suspicious persons detection, and more are already being developed/have been developed. Why have a person watching when you could have a computer do it for them?

Quote: "What if corporations got access to the feeds"

But why couldn't they be secured? That's like saying that what if corporations got access to secret government files. There are ways to protect information like that.

Quote: "Sure, being recorded has its benefits. It could, over time, lower crime rates and help stop house fires and whatnot before they get out of hand... but at what cost? What are you willing to sacrifice for that?"

I don't think that computers detecting abnormal activity is really a sacrafice .

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Sounds like tinfoil hat-itis to me. Honestly I can't see them sticking video cameras in our houses--- hell, AFAIK they don't even do that in North Korea If they had people monitoring our every move, they would need roughly the same amount of people to monitor as to be monitored---- it just doesn't add up. They may be recording every street in London, but they don't have people sitting there watching them 24x7 now do they. They will refer to the tapes when a crime occurs. That's the price you pay for a high level of freedom (and not chaos).

Some of you are really hoping for a HL2-esque future aren't you

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I dunno, it's already happening now though. There was this guy, I think he was a record producer or something, anyway, he had a skyrise apartment in NYC. A police helicopter was flying overhead looking for activity on the ground, and they caught this guy and his girlfriend fooling around on their balcony. The cops filmed this happening for several minutes, then showed the tape off to their friends, and somehow it got back to this guy and he sued the NYPD. People tend to be a curious species, and if there's a human in the works, I'm sure they'll find your most candid moments and share said moments with their friends. And I'm pretty certain that with a system this complex, there's bound to be at least a handful of human engineers monitoring things and those people will watch cameras. Does that not bother you? Haven't you ever been in a scenario where you're doing something outside in the public, walking around the city or something, that you'd rather remained private? It's impossible to say computers will be left to their own devices on this, in our lifetime anyway. There's definitely going to be a few humans monitoring the computers that are monitoring us.

"Stuff roles uphill," (clever censor, I am) could be applied to video feeds, I'm sure For instance, what if you're in a crummy mood after an arguement with your girlfriend, and those facial determination CPU's process you as suspicious. It could end up being bumped up a level and human viewers could end up watching your every move. But then, your girlfriend shows up to reconcile, and the two of you kiss and make up. Should these engineers have the right to watch your arguement and take part in it without your knowing it? We've seen countless times that humans are nosey and will want to watch things they aren't supposed to watch... I dunno, I can think of a few thousand ways this system can and will fail us. I still say let's all find a big cave.


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What if we make our own underground mole tunnel system and pimp it out with all the modern conveniences. Create a safehouse for future generations. If we find a way to make seemingly natural light I could handle living underground no problem. You could plant trees, grass, and other plants. It could be an underground world safe from the evil governments above. We could then plan a revolt, keep expanding our base of operations, train armies and overthrow the world government and bring it back to it's once safe, private, and peaceful existence!!

*looks around with fist in the air, slightly embarrassed as all stare him down... shy smile curves at his lips as he starts backing away to his cave.

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Viva La Revolucion! I think that's how they spell it in france.

Hey, the more the merrier. We'll definitely need to create our own society of "vault-dwellers," so we'll need to ensure there's enough females to keep the populace growing... I say five girls to each guy, sound fair?


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Eventually, the world will go into coruption because all of us programmers will hide in a cave, then there will be no one to fix the computers and the world would just be a huge mess.

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Exactly, and the only way to get us out is to stop the insurance companies from owning our bodies. See? Me and Dink thought this plan out thoroughly, and it's all going according to plan . Well, except we need a cave. And generators. And a few thousand programmers wouldn't hurt. But it's going to work, it has to work!


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It would be like the massive armies of clones in star wars lol! You mass breed all these kids and train them in martial arts and weapons for the coming revolution.

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And we will develop our own weapons, so we can stand a chance. We'll also develop other ways to get energy, this way we'll be unstoppable.

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So what you're saying is, remove all police helicopters because they might be a bunch of pervs who want to watch a guy get jiggy with his girl? That's like saying get rid of doctors because they could drug you and take advantage of you. People will always abuse their positions--- doesn't mean they need to remove the job.

A funny thing I read on Slashdot a few years back was the fact the airports are testing out new X-Ray devices that can see through clothing. This *IS* coming to market by the way. How can we ensure sickos don't use this for their perversions? We can't, but doesn't necessarily mean the new technology isn't a good thing.

By the way, where do I sign up to be one of the X-Ray security dudes?

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I'm not saying we should get rid of helicopters, I'm saying that there's always going to be a human in the monitor loop somewhere, and if there is, you can bet your bottom dollar there's going to be someone poking their nose somewhere that it doesn't belong.

The x-ray things are scary as well... I'm willing to bet large hordes of people will stop flying when they implement that system. The sad part is, once they start using the xray thing, someone is going to figure out a way to get passed it. Airport Security is a lose-lose situation, I fear.

About the mass-breeding, guys, we need to be careful! I'd rather raise an army of 10,000 intelligent combat-ready assassins than 100,000 weak-minded imbred weirdos. If our soldiers look like this guy:

or this guy:


Well, then Houston, we have a problem!


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I see you took the liberty of posting a picture of Jeku and yourself, in that order.

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ROFL!

/caps

We also need to make sure there is plenty of fun things to do... Or else we will end up entertained by doing things like this to ourself...



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Yah but that's such an old pic of me. At least get one that was taken recently

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Well, the one of me was taken yesterday, I don't have any more recent pictures of Jeku, sorry

LOL Dink I love that


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