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Does anyone have Vista?...and I'm not talking about the release candidate.

I know that EAX does infact not work unless you install ALchemy which is being developed by Creative Labs. However, they've already stated that this is only being developed for X-FI cards, leaving SB,Extigy and Audigy card holders kinda in nomansland (for hardware accelleration only, this doesn't mean sound doesn't work in software mode). Not to say they won't open up development for those other cards.

I'm getting Ultimate in 2 weeks, I guess I'll post an update for you guys then. I'm going to install Quake 4 and use hardware accelleration which is EAX, and I can do it with F.E.A.R also. If I get no audio or the OS crashes (which it probably will, because fable did that), then we'll have to see what the next year holds for soundcards.

From what I readon microsofts site, using hardware accelleration is actually better. Their argument is that everyone will be switching to multicore processors anyways, and they won't take a performance hit at all. To be honest, with software acceleration I don't seem to take a performance hit at all that I've ever noticed. F.E.A.R ran just fine in either mode for me with my AMD 64 3800+. I have an X-FI card, and tried it with both hardware and software and I don't notice any performance increase. I just notice that with EAX everything echo's way too much.

I think TGC and the community could benefit from some software sound effects plugins.

If anyone got Vista yesterday and you have F.E.A.R, then turn on hardware EAX or EAX2 and let me know if it works or crashes. Try Fable too.

Still not sure why you've started another thread on the same topic? It makes sense to discuss it all in one thread, otherwise it gets diluted and confusing.

Creative has always operated that way. Their highest-end cards are always the first to get support, then they'll work on the other models. When the Win2k beta was released, my SB Live was their first target. The audigy 2 zs was the first supported during Vista development, which I also had. I haven't played any games on Vista, so I haven't messed with the EAX yet.

BatVink, David R's thread is about observations concerning the rough edges of Gates's last baby.

I was surprised that Tapewormz's thread got locked as it was about geting us to think about the situation created by the move to Microsoft specified audio. I'm sure there will still be audio hardware, however the "special" stuff will have to be processed in software and therein may lay golden opportunities.

I dunno, the topic seems extremely similar to me... not just trumpeting my own thread, but both this and my thread are about hardware accelerated audio ceasing to exist in Vista... and a possible TGC plugin [that] could of been tacked onto my thread, but meh

You're right David R mainly because he changed the topic name from

TGC, Vista and Microsoft's Universal Audio Architecture

which was accurate given the original post,
to the current title, one much less faithful to the original idea.

@BatVink, yeah I guess you're right. However, I was hoping to get some feedback on what people would think of fx plugins for DBP. Not so much about flaming microsoft for dropping hardware support, or saying that the claim that hardware accelleration was dropped is a complete lie. There's alot of people saying this and that. Sure their soundcards work under XP when they update their driver, but the hardware support is dropped. Try to enable EAX in Quake 4 or F.E.A.R or turn on hardware accelleration in BF1942. It won't work. : / hehe...Software works just fine with those games.

I think cool processor effects for DBP would be a cool plugin. It adds more atmosphere and depth.

Aha I have X-Fi! And no inclination to buy Vista... Cruel world...

Cheers