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David R
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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 13:06 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 22:03
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Well, I'm tinkering with normal mapping and lots of different special FX in my current project, however, I get quite dreadful performance on my rig (barely 200fps for a single normal mapped object on screen)

So, I've made a little test application of wooden crate with normal mapping applied, just to get a general consensus on FPS and appearence - can your machine push this app along nicely, if at all?

The attached ZIP is roughly 3 meg, and shows the crate in full screen @ 1024 x 768 with normal mapping. Download it, test it out, and tell me what you get (if anything). Let me hear of any errors etc.

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- Press ALT+F4 to exit it (no input besides this working yet)

- If normal mapping isn't available, it simply won't be applied, but it should still look acceptable. Tell me if it looks horrible without Normal mapping, it may be a bug

- If you desire to change the resolution or full screen etc, open up system/game.tas in notepad, and alter the applicable lines (should be quite straightforward)


So yeah, try it out, and tell me what you get Download attached

Latest version: (Saves diagnostics upon crash)
http://forumfiles.thegamecreators.com/?i=1111789


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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 13:28 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 13:28
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I get 350fps on my old XP2400 with an Nvidia 6200 running full screen (just a couple of apps running such as a few DesktopX objects and WindowsBlinds, but nothing major). Looks fine to me; nice and smooth etc. Looks like a crate spinning around. I'll try it on my XP4400x2 with 7800GT in a minute to see if I should be seeing any other effects.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 13:37 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 13:38
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Ok, I get between 2500 and 3000fps on the XP4400x2 (same apps running). Can't notice much difference looking though.

One thing though, how come SpySweeper blocked it from accessing the web? It complained about it so I made sure it would always block it. Better explain that one or no-one is going to download anything that you post

Cheers

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 13:43
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Ah it opens up a dummy UDP port which relays data back to itself. That way, when it comes to do multi-player, I just make that dummy into a real host, and no major code changes are needed (It's using the Zoidcom networking library to do that, which is with the app in the form of zoidcom_vc.dll)

Sorry for not explaining that, it's nothing dodgy I promise

Good to see a decent frame rate from your latter GPU Dazzag by the way. I appreciate it's also kind of hard to see the detail, since it is just a crate, but I'm pleased it looks good


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Fair enough. My 2ghz Centrino laptop put up between 350 and 400fps on a similar setup. It has an ATI 9600 turbo card in it. Good enough for Doom 3 at a decent res basically (athough 1920x1200 display does not quite make it smoothly...)

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 15:43
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You can see for yourself.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 15:47
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Very very nice JerBil - particularly the framerate!

I get the impression that it is just my old GPU (Geforce 5600FX) that's giving me bad FPS, and other machines can certainly perform better - so it will be worth putting some pretty SFX in my project after all, even if my machine cannot run it.


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Thanks.
The fact that you get 200fps is not bad at all, and looks as though
you are doing well with the programming.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 15:56 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 16:24
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So many dlls.. Got crash.. Application has encourted plapalpa
and heres a mushroom


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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 16:10
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He said Gpu, not CPU which is the graphics card

I'm impressed with these frame rate, man I seriously, I mean seriously need a new computer.

Well I got 220 FPS. As I'm getting a higher FPS than you, I find that quite odd, I am running Firefox and itunes as well, I think you may want to do some clean up on your system if you're getting that sort of frame rate for that kind of thing.

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-System known to have cases of lag where there shouldn't be any.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 16:24 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 16:25
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Oh lol sorry i misreaded.. Stupid me ><

and Seppuku i fins out something REALLY UBER IMPRESSIVE odd.. I have badder system than you..


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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 16:52 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 16:55
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Quote: "So many dlls.. Got crash.. Application has encourted plapalpa
and heres a mushroom "


Could I have details on your specs etc? Also, what kind of account are you running under? (Admin, limited?)


EDIT:
Oh yes, sorry I also forgot to mention, that the config file automatically creates an appropriate folder with a log etc. in My Documents (slash) Wormhole Nemesis. It will contain very little for this test, so you can safely erase it (don't panic, it isn't anything dodgy on your PC)


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Roxas
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I not home so i dont know comp specs (and too lazy to watch them cuz im leaving soon too..) And this is admin account.. And i can tell this has better specs than my comp cuz i can run Mike Inels game with this.. And so on..


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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 16:58 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 16:58
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Could you intentionally crash it again, and when you get the "Encountered a problem" box, press the 'Click here' bit for report contents.

Could you take a note of the "Modname" shown at the top, and the "Offset", and tell me what they are?

I think adding an auto crashdump feature will be required for future builds. Would make things doubly easier for diagnosing issues


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ModName: irrlicht.dll
Offset: 0000706f


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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 18:04
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Crashed for me:

Vista Ultimate
Pentium D 950
X700 Pro
1GB DDR2-667

That's all irrelevant though, it couldn't find some dll.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 18:11
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Wah, that's very strange - Vista doesn't come with the C-Runtime 7.1 already with it? Weird. I'll make sure I package the 7.1 CRT DLL's with any future ZIP's


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No, it comes with 8.0. Don't know why 7.1 isn't included though.

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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 21:52 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 21:55
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@The Full Metal Coder Roxas: (and anyone else it crashes on)

A new build is attached to this post. Try it. When it crashes, it'll output a dump file if you want it to (as whn.dmp next to the exe).

Can you upload the DMP file here so I can debug it?


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Posted: 4th Feb 2007 22:04 Edited at: 4th Feb 2007 22:04
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249 FPS

3.0 GHz HT Pentium 4
OnBoard intel graphics card of some sort (224 MB, weird number i know)
1 gig ram

normal mapping worked

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lowest 371, highest 424

typically between 384-388

P4 2.8e
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about 317FPS
with itunes playing music and msn running and bit torrent downloading files. =P

on a 3.0ghz pentium 4 with 1024mb ram and an ATI 9600XT card

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i get 595 - 604 fps..

1.8 ghz
mobility ati radeon x700 pci something something
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runs fine here at about 1200fps, although i have ati control pannel set to have AA at 6x with temporal AA on and AF at 16x high quality mode, and mipmap detail highest (all forced so the app has no control) so it would probably be higher otherwise.
normal mapping worked, paralax mapping would be nicer though

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Quote: "normal mapping worked, paralax mapping would be nicer though "


Parallax mapping works fine too, but looks horrible on the cube when spinning (since the illusion of 3d is destroyed at an extreme angle).

But it will definitely be used for static geometry. Glad Normal mapping worked

Thanks for the details everyone, the specs and FPS info is extremely useful


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I got 167 fps with:

*A crap intel graphics card
*2 Gb RAM
*2 GHz

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I got 450-550 FPS with my machine, listed in Signature, with Trillian, FireFox, and Guild Wars running in the background.

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I got 2020 FPS average. No problems at all.

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13GHz
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Got up to 1700FPS on my dual quad-core (3.2GHz each-- yes, 8 cores) system at work. NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT.

But I also have about 20 other programs open (office apps, photoshop, flash, perforce, itunes, steam, etc.)

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Do you do alot of video editing Jeku? 8 cores seems a bit much for anything else.

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Quote: "Do you do alot of video editing Jeku? 8 cores seems a bit much for anything else."


No, but I do a lot of compiling and building

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Yeah a couple more cores would definitely speed up my build processes: Takes about 5-10 mins to build the framework lib (debug and release) external dep lib (debug and release) editor (debug and release) game (debug and release) and package the resources in the PAK archive used for the game (all of which is completely automated)


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i got around 480fps
highest was 500
running steam,firefox,WMP11 and some other crap
my rig is below sig


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Mr Makealotofsmoke, your sig is too big. if you took one of those banners off it should be fine.

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Don't worry, I fixed that for him

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