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Matt Rock
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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 00:38 Edited at: 8th Feb 2007 00:39
In a recent thread, Jess came up with a fantastic idea and I've been thinking about it and talking about it ever since. The idea is to find empty parking lots, draw out mazes on the ground, and have people play out live, human versions of pacman. We'd throw out huge styrofoam pieces of fruit, and if you pick it up and throw it back out of the maze you get points. In each corner, there would be an airhorn, and if you blow the horn the ghost players have to escape. Basically it would be tag but with intent. I'm definitely getting my friends into this idea and we're going to do it this summer sometime... maybe we should get organized and have some sort of "event" where we do this all over the world . We could pick a day, call it "pacman day" or something, and all of us in all of these different cities and countries could have big live pacman games going on at the same time. How awesome would that be!

PS.- Sorry for mobilizing your idea Jess, but this seems like it could be fun for the whole community


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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 02:33
Just an idea, you could implement a capture the flag system into it as well. If someone is caught by a ghost, they go to the middle part (the jail, where the ghosts come from and run to for cover). And then if Pac-Man collects a fruit styrophoam piece, he can run to the jail and try to tag one of the other pacmans to get them out.

Thats assuming youd be having more than 1 pacman, which you probably wouldnt unless you made it huge.


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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 04:14
Awesome idea, but instead of using styrofoam fruit use real fruit, and you have to eat it to get get the points (bananas, pears, strawberrys. Easy to eat fruits). Lol.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 05:08
I was thinking about using real fruit, but then, I dunno, what if someone gets hit in the head by a pear or something? I think the styrofoam fruit idea is better. Plus, we don't want people choking on fruit while trying to out-run the ghosts

Keep the ideas coming guys . But remember, keep these extremely simple With the exception of the fruit, which might cost, I dunno, $4 US to make (at most), everything should be purchasable at the dollar store, like the chalk and whatnot. Just to make it accessible to everyone. I'm definitely going to host one of these this summer... we just need more people to do it in a bunch of different cities . It would be awesome, a synchronized pacfest

But here's a new question: what do we do about the little pellet things you're supposed to gobble for points? I was thinking we could use balloons, and you have to step on them to pop them, but eh, that might not work . I mean, what if someone stomps on the balloon but it doesn't pop, or what if the ghosts stomp on them? So I dunno, that needs to be worked out.


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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 05:38
I can already see this as a youtube phenomenon.

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Quote: "what do we do about the little pellet things you're supposed to gobble for points?"


Oh, oh oh! Candy corn! lol, j/k.
It needs to be small enough so you can hold a bunch of them, yet big enough so you can pick them up. Something perferably round... such as those large marbles, or rubber balls of some sort (as long as the don't bounce too much!)

Wait, what about ping pong balls? They' pretty cheap I would guess.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 08:06
Have ping pong balls and arm the PacMen with bags to put them in.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 14:46
why not use those little styrofoam ones? they're cheap, light, and easy to carry, plus you could use different size ones for more or less points.


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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 16:09
it seems like it would really really slow you down to have to be bending over and picking up anything small enough to carry...

balloons sound reasonable, as long as you make them big enough so that they pop easily i can see someone running along jumping on each one lol.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 20:20 Edited at: 8th Feb 2007 20:20
I believe the people at Pac Manhattan have found a solution to dots in live Pac-Man games. The Pac-Mans use cell phones to communicate their positions to a control center, where the controlers marks off the dots on a map.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 23:10
I know about Pac Manhattan, but I want this to be cheaper and easier. That game isn't really accessible to everyone. There's still some people who don't have cell phones (including me, I hate them hehe, I don't want people to be able to access me wherever I am).

The only thing I'm worried about balloon-wise is, what do we do if a ghost pops a balloon? We could maybe work this out in scoring, say if a ghost pops a balloon then the pacperson gets those points, then the ghosts would avoid popping balloons whenever possible. Would that work? Also, how easy is it to pop cheap dollar-store balloons by stepping on them? I don't want to give anyone anything sharp, lol that would be disasterous!


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Posted: 8th Feb 2007 23:40 Edited at: 8th Feb 2007 23:41
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only person in the US who hates cell phones. Jumping on the ballons would be enough to pop them, but I don't think the Pac-Mans would be very fond of hearing donzens or hundreds of pops. Ping pong balls are a good idea, and I wouldn't worry about how much it would slow the Pac-Mans down because in the arcade game Pac-Man's supposed to walk slower on pathways with dots.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2007 00:30
and about teleportation, how...guys... will you do?
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Posted: 9th Feb 2007 03:36
Shy of building a teleportation machine, we wouldn't be able to do it . Or maybe we could say there's a zone you can walk out of, and you have (n) seconds to reach the other side or you lose a life.

The ping pong ball idea is a great one, but then Peter brings up a great point... you'd be bending over all the time, and it might hurt your back after playing for a while. Or at least it might hurt mine, lol.


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Posted: 9th Feb 2007 19:10
Well, solutions depend on how much you trust the peeps playing...

Packing Peanuts might work. Just crush them to collect them. If you placed them off to the sides a bit, the Ghosts could avoid them as easily as Pac Man could collect them. You'd have to sweep up later, but a lot of cleanup would be required regardless.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2007 20:30
Hahahaha, I love the idea! How do we know if the PacMen collect all the pellets? That's another thing.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 14:26 Edited at: 10th Feb 2007 14:27
He could make a pit stop somewhere where everyone counts them to make sure he's carrying all the ping pong balls.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 18:58
Maybe he wouldn't have to pick them all up, like if he skips one it's okay, but he doesn't finish the level until he gets them all, and each one is worth (n) points, so he/ she would want to get them all.


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Posted: 13th Feb 2007 11:56
Hey, good to see that you're interested in playing it

The whole point behind the balloons was that there was nothing to do but literally pass over the top of them (and pop 'em) meaning no picking anything up, no stopping moving, or anything like that.

The draw-back, like you said, is balloons that don't pop, and the ghosts popping them. Both of which are easily solved.

Firstly, make sure the balloons are blown up quite high so they bust easier. Then, move them slightly to the side of the path (I would say the path would be roughly 1.5 to 2 meters wide, so that's no problem) which means Pac can pop 'em, and Ghosts can avoid 'em.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2007 16:34
well ghosts would want to avoid them as they would be helping pacman if they did pop them

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 00:18 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 00:26
I wrote back to you Jess

I like the idea of ghosts scoring against themselves, it's sort of like an own-goal in football ("soccer"). If a ghost pops a balloon, pacman gets points for it anyway, so basically, as long as a balloon gets popped, pacman scores, regardless of who pops it. That would definitely keep the ghosts from wanting to hit them.

I just brought this up with Jess a few seconds ago and I've been giving this a lot of thought. We should make this a team sport! Think about it this way:

Each team has three players. In the first half, team 1 are the pacmen and team 2 are the ghosts. In the second half, they switch sides. 1 pacman can go out at a time against the three ghosts. If he gets tagged, he's out, and the next pacman goes in. So basically, having three pacmen would simulate one team having three lives. The round ends when (A) all three pacmen are tagged out, or (B) when the pacmen have "gobbled" (popped) all of the balloons and have earned the total possible number of points. What do you guys think about that?

EDIT: Something I just thought up while talking with my girlfriend... if we do this as a team sport we could have... are you sitting down for this?

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Lol! Sounds awesome! Just need to make sure you get yellow baloons or it won't feel authentic!

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 05:04
Tomorrow I'm going to scour the city for LP equipment. Might be hard though, we got slammed here by snow pretty hard today and yesterday. How's things in Ohio btw?

Question, does anyone know what sort of paint works best with Styrofoam? I don't want to end up getting something that eats a hole through it!


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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 05:19
This sounds absouletly great I should organise this here!


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Well I don't think we had it quite as bad as you (or at least some parts of New York had it)have had it, but we did get hit pretty hard. Most snow in 2 days for a few years. We have drifts about 4 feet deep and on average it's about up to our knees. Had to do alot of driveway plowing yesterday and today. Just going to the post office today after most of the weather was cleared up was dangerous enough as it is. My car slid on the road a few times. Had to take the roads at about half speed limit and I felt like I was still pushing it at times.

Actually it's fairly pleasant out now. The snow looks nice, it's just a pain in the butt and alot of work digging out. Still looking forward to summer again. I don't care how hot it gets

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 11:26
Hey, me and Matt are finalizing the rules and what's needed, etc, but once we get a firm ground to stand on, I'd like everyone's opinions on certain aspects, so don't be afraid to pipe up if you have an idea!

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 14:50
Quote: "Then, move them slightly to the side of the path "


What about the ones on the intersections?


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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 15:14
Then put 'em in the corner.

Like Matt said, it doesn't matter if a Ghost pops a balloon all that much, as it adds to points for Pac Man's team

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 22:35 Edited at: 17th Feb 2007 04:40
Sorry for the delays guys, I spent the last few days digging out of snow and trying to release Pod 9 (it's out right now ). But right now I'm FINALLY done getting that game out and I just want to take some time to design live Pac Man

Vader, you're more than welcome to organize a live pac man event where you live But wait until Jess and I sort out the full list of rules and whatnot

I couldn't make it to the store to do a price inquest yet. I actually got stuck in the driveway to the gas station a few blocks away from my house and had to get pushed out by a few guys who luckily showed up. My little Protege was pushing at 7000 rpms and I think I lost a few millimeters of tire, lol. My girlfriend was uber-peaved but eh, it's not my fault, it's mother nature's But I'm hoping to make it to the store soon with the list that Jess and I are creating and I'll have a few ideas about the cost of holding one of these events pretty soon

What do you guys think about the team idea? It would be sort of neat to have regional leagues and stuff, and maybe we could do an international championship by playing actual Pac Man on the PC over the internet

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 22:53
Remember, you could aslo make it so that the pacman has to push the items they need to collect OFF the maze thing. So they could have to kick the boloons off the track, and once they're off the pacman wins, this will save a lot of time, but IDK if it will work.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 22:59
It might work, but then you might just end up pushing it onto another part of the maze. And besides, popping balloons is a lot of fun


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The only downside of the balloons is that it'd take quite a while to set up a level which could end quite quickly.

If there was some alternative way to do it, I'd prefer it. Sunflash, your idea about kicking them off is ok, but then like Matt said, you could just move them around, or knock other ones around, etc.

Really, we need something like a foot pedal, you stomp on it to set it off (like a mouse trap or something), then all you have to do is reset them all to play again, rather than blowing up balloons!

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Quote: "we need something like a foot pedal, you stomp on it to set it off"


Ah, that's an idea Jess. What about those cheap little lights that you press the plastic bulb down to turn them on and off. They are battery powered and are meant for places where you otherwise wouldn't have light, like cabinets or closets. They'd be great. Turn them all on then have pack man "eat" them by *lightly* stepping on them to turn them off.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2007 06:11
Hmm, sounds good. But, what'd they cost?

A normal game of Pac Man has well over 100 dots to eat. Obviously, even for balloons that's too much, so maybe a reduced version of about 50 or so would be the biggest.

Even if those lights only cost $1 each, that's $50 as opposed to a $3 pack of balloons

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That is true. But you can play techno music in a darkened warehouse and black lights It's probably more like 5$ each, but I don't really know. It just popped into my head, so I thought I'd share.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2007 22:33
It's a great idea, but the cost might be too high for some people, unfortunately (as has already been pointed out).

But I've been thinking about this all morning. Arsenal's FA cup match against Blackburn was boring so I had a lot of free time to think about this game, and I *may* have come up with a solution... what about knocking something over? Let's say we used empty 2-liter Coke bottles, or maybe 12 oz. cans or something. They could be 1/4 filled with water so they'd be weighed enough to resist wind, and they'd be light enough to kick over without causing too much trouble. To keep them from rolling, we could glue on popsicle sticks or something, so they'd only roll a short distance and then get stopped. It's cheap, it's re-usable, and it would count as recycling . Possibly best of all, they could be painted to look like pac man dots! I dunno, it's an idea


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Posted: 18th Feb 2007 03:13
Hey, yeah, that's a good idea.
The only thing again, is getting 50 odd cans or bottles in the first place.

I suppose the next time you to your mate's place for a BBQ, you can save up all the cans, or maybe you could suddenly increase your Soft Drink consumption for a couple weeks?

That's probably the best, most re-usable method thought of yet. Easy to set up, cheap, easy to show when it's been 'eaten' or not, and just as easy to reset. Good work

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Thank you . But I'm still hoping for a better option to come along. I drink a lot of coca cola (I mean A LOT), so for me it's relatively easy to stockpile this many cans, but my coke-intake has been decreasing with my new diet stuff, and this probably isn't the best solution for everyone anyway. But I'll keep thinking on this and hopefully we can come up with a better option


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Well, they could be anything... Baked Beans, dog food, blah blah blah.

Now that I think about it, if each of the 4 players collects for just a few days, I'm certain that they'd be able to come up with it.

Then, all you need is a tin of spray-paint to give it a quick once-over

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I never even thought of it that way... this idea might be the best option. Still, I'd like to hear from the rest of you and see what you guys think, what the pros/ cons might be and all that.


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back to the balloons, how about if you just taped the balloon lightly to the ground and then have the pacman kick them lose in order to 'eat' them...cheap and easy

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Data, but the problem is the time and effort needed to blow them up, and tape them down.

Then, if you don't pop them, there's the risk of them moving around on the course and getting in the way and/or knocking other balloons around.

That's why tins or cans would be better. Easy to start off and reset, and when they're knocked over, they shouldn't roll around too much (if at all, if you attatch a paddle pop stick or somesort like Matt suggested).

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I'm going to break out the arts and crafts stuff and make a few 12 oz. cans into pac dots to see how it works. I'm wondering if there might be an issue with pac man's speed... if you kick a soccer ball while running, it tends to go farther than if you kick it with the same amount of force standing still, so I'm wondering if this might be adding projectiles into the game . I'll give it a try in the street tomorrow and post my results.


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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 04:51
I think the cans idea is great! You can visit your local bottle depot and ask them for cans! For me its no big deal I know several places I could get cans!

Matt could you email me the rules if possible?
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Posted: 19th Feb 2007 10:59
Darth, we haven't finalized the rules yet.

When we do, we'll let everyone know

Matt,
Don't forget, you're constantly changing direction, so you can't pick up too much speed (and you're running around with a stupid costume on, or at least something on your head).
Given that what you said is true, it wont happen too much, and we could even throw in a condition where-by if the object is kicked out of the play area, it doesn't count

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That would definitely work. I still want to test it though, see what it will turn out like. With 2l bottles, they probably wouldn't end up going very far if weight a little with water, but 12 oz. cans might get airborne, so I'll give it a go and see what it's like. Should be a pretty funny show for the neighbors, lol.


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Posted: 20th Feb 2007 09:28 Edited at: 20th Feb 2007 09:34
Alright, I've got a whole load of cans sitting around (about 400+... I have a collection going ), so I'll pop out now and test it out, just some short bursts kicking them over in a line, etc.

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Ok, with 4 coke cans lined up at 1m intervals with a 2m run-up, I can easily knock them all over without kicking them very far.
I noticed that I tend to kind of step on them more than kick them away since I was more concentrating on going as fast as I could.
Each can, btw, was filled about half (or a little less) with water.
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Dang it... I can't watch this video yet until a little later, but I hope no one beat us to this . The EE release has me royally booked .

Speaking of which, I should be e-mailing you with a few website questions sometime this week Jess, so keep an eye out for it I just have to figure out how to word what I need to ask, lol.


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Hey, i'll get some people this summer, we just need a camera I'm willing to showcase a PA pacfest!!!

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