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Geek Culture / stalker shadow of chernobyl, I found out something shocking!

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:12
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i bought the game 3 days ago and today, i found out something that shocked me.

PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED IMAGE THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!

Is it possible that this game was mad with (or with the help of) Dark Basic?

for as long as i have known dark basic, I have been told (by snobby geeks who write programs that do calculus in c++) that its a language for script kiddies, amature (sp?) game writers, not even a real language, extremely weak engine and nearly useless because its BASIC and pretty much any sh*t they could dump on our beloved DB.

This is not a joke! i am looking at the real folder right now

Those files in the directory of stalker shadow of Chernobyl, indicate that dark basic pro has been used in this game.

but i am very surprised that dark BASIC is used in a next gen commercial game. Even I believed that it is not powerful enough to run a game like STALKER!

I never even thought that id see DB in a commercial game.

IF, stalker really have been using db, Hell, i\'ll never diss dark basic ever again. In fact, ill stick it into the face of everyone who isulted db in the past

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:16
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If there was an attached image I might see it.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:20 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 05:22
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I find this extremely unlikely. (99.999...% chance it's nothing)

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:23 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 05:26
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YO THE ATTACHED IMAGE IS HERE, it didn't upload the first time for some reason

sorry it kinda high res

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:29
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Is this a prank? Are you just pulling our legs? If not, did you attempt to run the dbp exe?

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:30
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For those who are afraid of downloading or have a slow connection

heres is another copy of the pic I posted in image shack

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9541/darkbasicehgy1.png

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... no comment because this is 99.9999% most likely faked.

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Quote: "For those who are afraid of downloading or have a slow connection"

Or those who think you are an idiot for uploading a BMP.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:35 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 05:35
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NO THIS IS NOT A PRANK! i attempted to run some in db, a couple of them came out as blank db documents and the other 2 have something in them.

give me time to upload more images of the db stuff

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:42
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Quote: "Or those who think you are an idiot for uploading a BMP.
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yeah, ill just host them on image shack.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:45 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 05:46
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This is his image. For future reference, when you post a link, use [img-] and then [/img-] wrapped around the link (but remove the dash (-). That way we can actually see the image you're talking about without having to download or open anything.




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It could just be that THQ made their own file system that just happens to be .dbp

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 05:56 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 05:59
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I checked it on my friends PC, and thats not there. Fake.
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Quote: "but i am very surprised that dark BASIC is used in a next gen commercial game. Even I believed that it is not powerful enough to run a game like STALKER!"

Stalker is barely next gen, since it was delayed so much the graphics engine is pretty dated.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 06:01 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 06:02
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http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dbstalk2qi3.png


i don't know but this is what i see. my computer shows me some of the the files as dbp files.



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The syntax is completely wrong, so, you're stupid.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 06:03 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 06:15
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Why is there a dbp exe in that directory though? You must have intentionally put that there.

[edit] The second image does show a valid dbp project file:



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Aren't DBP files encrypted, and wouldn't they have done that with a professional, studio-grade title? And what exactly does that code do anyway, it must be well beyond my skill level (which isn't that hard to surpass lol). It seems like it's taking two integer variables, true and false, and assigning strings to them somehow. Or maybe I'm way too tired to be talking about this stuff and need to go to sleep


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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 06:10
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the game data dbp file that shows as blank document in db, i opened it up with notepad, and there was the source code. yet i am not sure that its db.


i am just telling what i saw. I don't see any purpose in making stuff up or faking anything. i am not that kind of person

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 06:14 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 06:14
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Quote: "Why is there a dbp exe in that directory though? You must have intentionally put that there."


i did not put it there. i opened it up as a db project. The db editor recognized this perfectly well, thus giving it the icon of a db exe

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 06:19 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 06:19
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The editor does not recognize project files and give them the exe icon. When you compile a project, the dbp icon will be built into the exe and thus the built exe will have the signature yellow-on-black dbp exe icon. Since the file in your picture displays the dbp exe icon, i'm assuming that it's a dbp-created exe.

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Ha ha ha. So if that is real, what do you want for finding the exe? A cookie?
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The game does use .dba file formats isn't that basic DBC? or does DBP use .dba for main project files?

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Dark Basic Classic uses a .dba filing system, however, DBP, uses DBPRO as well as .dba, so you can view the .dba through .dbpro(sp?) if you got Operating System >= Windows XP.
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I was gonna ask on the stalker forums if this game has any DBP coding in it. It's possible that the game exe was made with DBP? Or some close variant

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Both dbc and dbp use .dba files for source code, and dbp uses .dbpro files as project files. Both of these file types are simply ascii text files with different extensions, however.

The big question here though that cannot be simply attributed to files using similar extensions is why there is a dbp-created exe in that directory. My guess is that PAGAN put it there as a ruse.

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Quote: "Both dbc and dbp use .dba files for source code, and dbp uses .dbpro files as project files. Both of these file types are simply ascii text files with different extensions, however.

The big question here though that cannot be simply attributed to files using similar extensions is why there is a dbp-created exe in that directory. My guess is that PAGAN put it there as a ruse."


Its possible, but I read in the stalker forums that some modifications to the .dba files can help mod that game, so its quite possible that the exe is actually there, let me check my directory...I have the game too...

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nope in my game i see some of the files he is talking about but none say "DBP projects" on them, its quite possible that he tryed to open them up in DBP and windows XP then put the DBP icons on them after the attempts to open them, or he faked it, I'm going with faked...

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it could be an issue with file association
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307859
not sure tho thats just a guess.

if so here is some babble from a website.
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Every type of file in your computer must have a program associated with it or Windows will not be able to open that file. Only one program can be associated with each type of file at any given time.

Most of the time file associations are created seamlessly in the background. When you install a new program on your computer, the program installer tells Windows which files to associate with that program. With a program like Word, there is no problem, only the Word program uses “.doc” files. Yet, standard file formats can cause trouble with file associations. For instance, when you download the pictures from your camera to your computer, they always pop up in the software that came with your camera. Then you install some new programs and your photos now open up in a different program. It’s because the file association were changed when you installed those new programs. Sometimes the file associations seem to change for no reason at all, so you need to know how to change those file associations when necessary.

It’s easy to change file associations. In Windows XP, just find a file with the extension you want to change. For instance, if you want to associate those “.jpg” picture files with a different program, just find a file that ends in .jpg. Right-click on the file, and put your cursor on Open With then click Choose Program. You will see a detailed list of programs. Click on the program you want to associate this type of file with. If the program you want is not listed, you can use the browse button to find the program. Once you have selected the program, click your mouse to put a checkmark in the box in front of “Always use the selected program to open this kind of file." Then click OK. That’s all there is to it. You have now changed the file association. Every time you open a file of that type it will open in the program you have specified.
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Dudes--- it's probably just a coincidence that some of the files are .dba extensions. You can't copyright an extension, so anyone can use it. Because your computer associates .dba files with DBP, the icon will appear. Doesn't mean it's an *actual* DBP program.

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Generally though, this

icon is the icon embedded within dbp exes, not associated with dbp source files. Either way, PAGAN probably copied an exe there on purpose as a joke.

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Quote: "Dudes--- it's probably just a coincidence that some of the files are .dba extensions."

Yes, and a coincidence that it says DarkBASIC Pro Project under the file name (the EXE I am talking about).

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Quote: "Is it possible that this game was mad with Dark Basic?"


I think it's definitely possible that it is mad with Dark Basic. Just off the top of my head I believe that Max Payne 2, Company of Heroes and F.E.A.R. are also mad with Dark Basic, and have said if they meet it in a dark alley late at night will bash it will sticks.

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Well I just took a screenshot of my folder. As you can see it only has 25 objects in it. His has 27. So I'm voting FAKE
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he probably didn't fake it. It's been said before about file associations. I have had similar things with 50 diff programs, sometimes windows just gets it wrong. the .dbX files are probably associated with dbp on his computer, and the game data one probably did open up to that but would have had errors if it was ever run as all it was reading was text data from the file. The executable can be because it's .dba, windows automatically lists it as a dbp executable, doesn't mean it IS.

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It's hex, like 0123456789ABCDEF

There's DB0 to DBA is all. Nothing to get worked up about .


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I reckon he clicked on the dba, which asked him to create a project file, which in turn created the dbpro file. I can guarantee to all of you that that game was not made in DBP

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I expect the DB in these game files stand for Data Base

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Wait, i know, the dbp exe was created when i tried to run some of the dbp project files from that folder, so yeah it was created by dbp.

so... yeah

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This thread, is just a cry for attention...

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Quote: "Wait, i know, the dbp exe was created when i tried to run some of the dbp project files from that folder, so yeah it was created by dbp.

so... yeah"


OMG, you are an idiot. Why would you say the exe has always been there, and then you say you put it there.

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not attention, I was just pointing out something that i found surprising.

the db exe was created by me trying to run a db project file in the directory which resulted in creating an exe. I didnt realize that untill someone pointed it out.

trust me if i wanted attention, i would have made up something people would actually believe.

I didnt expect everyone to believe me especially when on my first post i messed up by forgetting to attach a picture.

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OMG THEY USED OUR FILE EXTENSION...



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Quote: "There's DB0 to DBA is all."

This isn't really related to the thread, but why does it say "is all" on the end of that sentence? I've seen Americans write it before but I'm not entirely sure what it means, it for sure doesn't look grammatically correct.

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'is all' is a bastardization 'it's all it is' - UK folks might recognize it, pretty common round these here parts .


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Ahh I thought it might be something like that. A bastardization it is indeed.

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[edit] nvm, i confused myself.

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I wrote Stalker and I used DarkBasicPro. Can we move on now please?


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It looks like the encrypted gamedata files happened to be using a db_ extension, and your computer associated the dba file with dark basic.


and van b, stop bastardizing your grammar.

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Quote: "I wrote Stalker and I used DarkBasicPro. Can we move on now please?
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don't you mean,

"I wrote Stalker and i used DarkBasicPro is all. Can we move on now please?"

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Quote: "Just off the top of my head I believe that Max Payne 2, Company of Heroes and F.E.A.R. are also mad with Dark Basic"

I'm pretty sure neither Max Payne 2 nor FEAR were made using DB. I'm not sure about Company of Heroes though, I've never played it. But If a massively-popular mainstream console or PC game were made using DarkBASIC, wouldn't we be hearing about them day-in, day-out as the "definitive" games that showcase DB, as opposed to using Starwraith and Riftspace as the premier examples of what DB is capable of?


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Quote: "I'm pretty sure neither Max Payne 2 nor FEAR were made using DB."

I'm pretty sure you missed a joke.

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