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Geek Culture / Say Bye Bye Apple

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Deathead
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 17:31
Apple is facing a multi million pound fine!!! Because of overcharging itunes downloads!!! So there will be no more ipods for about 10years or maybe thay go out of buisness.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 17:57
EEEEeeeEEE

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:19
Its just being investigated - nothing much more than that at the moment. Its not terribly worrying anything - Apple are rather sound financially anyway.

Plus OS X 10.5 is out in a few months anyway - apparently.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:20
Believe me, Apple isn't going to go bankrupts any time soon, nor will the stop producing Ipods. If they get a fine, they'll adjust their prices, and continue on happily

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:22
I think it serves 'em right, what with apples totally messed up commercials. I use both pcs and a mac and there are good sides to both, so I've got nothing against em that way. But karma guys... karma

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:24
@The Crazy: it's not like they committed a murder or something with those ads. Ads are just that, propoganda...

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:28
Quote: "what with apples totally messed up commercials."

They are great - seen the one taking the mickey out of Vista ?

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:40
For those wondering whats going on...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6520677.stm

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The crazy
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:51
Quote: "@The Crazy: it's not like they committed a murder or something with those ads. Ads are just that, propoganda..."


And all I'm saying is it serves em right. The whole point of my post was that karma comes back around.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 19:04 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2007 19:04
Quote: "karma comes back around"


How is this karma?

They made some funny adverts and they were VERY careful to not lie. They came close - but they never lied. For example, the viruses one. Windows said "There were 260,000 viruses for windows last year.." and Mac said "For windows.. not Mac". They never said there were no viruses. People just hear what they wanna hear. Its a very clever piece of marketing.

In any case, those ads were "comparing" windows and mac - they had nothing to do with MP3.

I think this is a little unfair in a way on Apple. In the UK - its not only MP3's we pay more for than our European cousins! Why not sue government for putting up fuel prices and cigarette prices?

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 19:16 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2007 19:17
Quote: "And all I'm saying is it serves em right. The whole point of my post was that karma comes back around."

when you have immoral or cutthroat practices they often will be found out. (business level)

or maybe... just maybe... when you do bad things it messes up your life and is completely irrespective of "karma"? (personal level)

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The crazy
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 19:23
Thompson, many (rather ignorant) people I know personally have been highly influenced by those commercials and made bad decisions because of them. I dare you to show me a windows commercial telling such half lies and fooling people who aren't as knowledgable about computers. Hell, I almost bought a macbook instead of my xps before I did the research. All that crap about windows running on a mac, sure people like us could easily do it, but the kind of person who wants a computer for looks aint gonna know.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 19:46
As much as I like my ibook, I do feel a bit hard done by having to pay more for my tunes than America. Not that I use iTunes, but I still feel hard done by...

But as Happy Dude pointed out, Leopard ain't too far away, and what with Adobe CS3 and the iPhone being on the horizon it looks like it can only go up for Apple at the moment.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 20:10
Even if Apple were to find themselves in dire financial straight Bill Gates would just bail them out again.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 20:37
Yeah, because without Apple, Microsoft it a monopoly, so they kind of have to.

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Deathead
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 21:43 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2007 21:44
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 21:46
I like the apple adverts, its just being competitive with a sense of humour, I mean other products out there will say they're better than X because of Y and others will say they're better than the leading brand for a certain reason, its just apple are far less subtle about it, and put it plainly with two comedians representing themselves as one and the other, the two competing products, its also a piece of clever advertisement.

Now, this does increase the ignorance of fanboys either to bash Windows and Mac, but I don't care, because I pity them for their fan boy games, I've known a couple, they are extremely ignorant and arrogant people, now these two were of the PC and anime fanboy kind, but you get the same for Mac users too, the one we refer to as 'who shall not be named', has a face you want to punch and everytime he spoke you'd want to rip his throat out, and this is coming from the keyboard of a pacifist who has compassion for living things. So I can imagine how the adverts only encourage them.

But this post isn't about the adverts, and I don't think Apple deserve it, they've provided people with quality and reliable products and good customer service. Plus I don't think this situation will ruin Apple, they've got a lot of money, it may be like playing football with a twisted ankle for them, but they'll soon make that money, it just means Steve Jobs will have to go without that Diamond statue of himself. Plus if they do go under, they will have someone to bail them out, as said that would mean Windows would monopolise the market and would also mean bad news for apple's clients, someone will likely bail them out if they go under again.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 22:55
@The Crazy:
Quote: "All that crap about windows running on a mac, sure people like us could easily do it, but the kind of person who wants a computer for looks aint gonna know."

I do it - and I use my Mac Book Pro at LANS and it out performs most people's PC's. Plus I have the advantage/luxury of using it for work in OSX. I'd rather have a MBP over an XPS anyday (personal preference).

Any idiot can install windows on a Mac. They GIVE you a program which holds your hand through the ENTIRE thing. In fact, the hardest bit is INSTALLING windows - which isn't Apple's fault

As for the advertising. I've only ever seen on MS ad - and that was for Vista. Microsoft dont need to advertise, they currently have the majority share in the market - although they've recently lost a LOT of ground to Apple.

And as I said - they never lied. You find me a lie. You also find me a Microsoft ad which doesn't "bend the truth" like those Apple Ads. Microsoft are always making claims about their software which isn't entirely true (claims of stability and security, etc).

At the end of the day - both sides are going to market their product to use in a way which makes us but it. Us 'geeks' will read into and past the marketing and see the product for what it really is - and some may not. Some may get effected by ads, but that's true of any marketed product. This is where independent review sites come in

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 23:12
With as much as I don't like Apple, I still want them to stay a big name in the industry just because competition always makes things better for the consumer.
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 23:27 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2007 23:28
since when was adobe owned by apple or strictly make sofyware for macs? im ready to buy photoshop CS3 as soon as its out as cs (which is just as useful as cs2) wont work on vista, which is a bummer.

but i also strongly disbelieve that apple will go anywhere near bankrupt from this. apple is a massive company probably earning billions of capital a year (not profit). although the quality of apple products may drop i personally think we should all drop macs and pcs as they cause way to much trouble, and go for linux, especially since microsoft 'borrowed' the design of linux, i seriously thought i'd picked up the wrong disc after installing vista, i could only tell it wasn't linux because of the big flag on the start bar (and linux is white).


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 23:48 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2007 23:51
These threads are fun to read.

Edit: I'd say more, but right now I don't really feel like making the effort to write an essay that most everyone will skip over.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 00:27
Quote: "These threads are fun to read.

Edit: I'd say more, but right now I don't really feel like making the effort to write an essay that most everyone will skip over."


I read them

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 00:40
Quote: "since when was adobe owned by apple or strictly make sofyware for macs?"


I was going to add a paragraph to my original post explaining why the release of CS3 would earn Apple some money but I didn't think I had to. Obviously I was wrong.

CS2 did run on Intel Macs but only under Rosetta, which apparently really slowed the app down. I'm betting that there are many people out there who held back on an Intel Mac until CS3 was released because they didn't see the point upgrading until then. Now that CS3 is nearing release those that didn't want to run CS2 under Rosetta will upgrade to Intel Macs, thus giving Apple some extra dosh.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 00:52
I'm gonna be going into the creative industry in a few months (hopefully, lol) and i'm gonna have to relent and finally buy a macbook if i'm to stand a chance of it being reliable with the companies network etc. Also, macs are looking ever more rosey since i realised that I'm not gonna be able to buy a PC laptop that doesn't come pre-crippled with vista.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 01:53
Meh.. Everyone knows Britain is a rip-off country, and I think it's good that the EU are trying to change that - but to be honest, what's a multi-million pound fine to a company that's worth 150 times that amount?

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Screwed over :
Quote: "since when was adobe owned by apple or strictly make sofyware for macs?"



Photoshop has been around for mac only from 1998 to 1992.

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I stepped in at v2.0 mac

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Photoshop_ß.jpg

Also, If you buy cs3 for windows your missing out on 200 extra core effects in the OSX version.


Apple are not going anywhere kids.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:03
I just scanned the thread, but personally, I know that Apple aren't going anywhere (Deathead, you're being a little meledromatic, aren't you?).

On the Apple ads front, as much as they are misleading people (as all clever marketing and advertising does, btw), I actually quite like the ads. For me, I'll never switch to mac, as I've got my roots in DX, and will need to keep that knowledge for my industry work after Uni, but none-the-less, it is quite well set up for a multimedia OS and system combination.

Each to their own.

Now, onto the fact that the iPhone is a cross hybrid between the DS and Wii (Touch screen + tilt sensors).

Discuss.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:43 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 08:44
For those excited about an overpriced phone that's locked for development from everyone except the large publishers (i.e. EA), then all the power to ya. I'll stick with my Nokia with its open SDK.

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Well, did you know its law in America that if you don't want your phone locked, they cant do it, supreme court deemed it unconstitutional haha sucks for them.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:59
YEA!! I DON'T HAVE A PHONE!
No goverment can spy on me now!!! MUAHAHAHAH!

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 09:07 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 09:08
What I mean by "locked" is that it's not open for any old developer to make games and apps for, like most of the cell phones I deal with. There's no open API, like J2ME (but this is just what I've read as I'm too cheap to buy one of these when they come out )

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I-Phones are cool but aparently they're bigger then a n-gage so no thanks apple.

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 12:55
Jeku: the only problem is that Nokia's implementation of J2ME sucks And the iPhone will be hacked open the week it's released

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Quote: "Jeku: the only problem is that Nokia's implementation of J2ME sucks And the iPhone will be hacked open the week it's released"
True.

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I think Apple will allow open development of the iPhone sooner or later - all it is a slightly modified OS X 10.4, especially if they want to compete with the Mobile 5.0 set of Smartphones.

However, I dont really see the iPhone doing well at all, at least not until the price comes down.

The Apple ads., are basically being truthful - transfering files between PC & Macs (and even Linux) is no problem; files are compatible; PC's dont come in one box; Laptops come with magnetic power cables (unfortunately desktop machines dont).

No idea how long it takes to use Photo book though - never used it...

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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 21:54
Apple can't go out of buisness. If this was really a big deal I would of heard something about it. And I work with apple. No more I-Pods for 10 years is the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard. The fine will probly hurt but they can always make a come back

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 11:52
Quote: "If this was really a big deal I would of heard something about it. And I work with apple."

Nah - they'd just deactivate your access swipe card and leave you outside till you got the hint

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not all is lost but apple has made a really rubbish thing though Apple TV!

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Is it really rubbish? Have you got it? You seem to be bashing Apple rather carelessly.

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Well all i know it's got a bad write up just to play music and videos on ur telly.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 21:27
Deathead - I think now would be an appropriate time to stop talking... You've not really said anything true here In fact Seppuku hit the nail on the head with the bashing comment.

AppleTV is just Apple's attempt at a Windows Media box. I've never used one and I rarely take reviews of items as gospel (Microsoft or Apple).

One thing I do KNOW is that I personally prefer Apple's design technique compared to Windows. For me it feels more natural.

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Nicholias: If u checked the Yahoo news it'll tell u about Apple TV and The multi-million fine! so it's not a lie mate
And Apple TV is going out for £299.99 just for a little badder quality of xbox 360 just to play music and videos. I'm just reading the news.

Actually when does the news get anything right eh!

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Quote: "Actually when does the news get anything right eh"


Not very often, especially with that Keith Richards thing...Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if he did snort his Dad

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Lol

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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 01:45 Edited at: 6th Apr 2007 01:47
I've read nothing but bad things about Apple TV too. You don't have to have actually tried a product to know if it's rubbish. I have never liked Apple's designs, and being somewhat of a product of art school, I was forced to learn on their computers.

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I think there's a much bigger market for the Apple TV over in the States compared to here in the UK. We just don't have access to anywhere near as much video content on iTunes as America does.

It was pretty cool to see how many hacks were availalbe for it within a few days of its release though.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2007 17:00
Quote: "I've read nothing but bad things about Apple TV too. You don't have to have actually tried a product to know if it's rubbish. I have never liked Apple's designs, and being somewhat of a product of art school, I was forced to learn on their computers."

I read what the write ups and what alot people say i suspect that it will be rubbish.

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Posted: 8th Apr 2007 04:05
Apples been good to me, houses, plasmas etc..

The operating system is leaps and bounds over windows (anything) for high end artwork and design as well as security and productivity.

Even the free linux variants are better then windows in the server stakes.

If someone was to rally & challenge direct x's long time standing with game developers, it might change in that aspect, but for now MS is king in that area.

As for apple Tv, its a niche product. I have a g4 800 in my lounge room playing what ever i want without the restrictions of a non hacked apple tv.

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@indi, security on a mac is stupid. Nobody would bother to make any viruses for them in the first place
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thats a highly intelligent remark alex, with verbose descriptions backing up your statement.

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