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Geek Culture / This noob slap is ridiculous now...

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David R
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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:15
I was slapped on the 7th of May for calling Indi a jerk. It is now the 23rd. For a single word, I have received a slap longer that swearing at Indi via an image. Yeah, that really makes sense.

Besides the fact the slap was dubious in the first place, making it longer than one involving swearing is just beyond ridiculous. Please, for the love of God, remove this slap now, otherwise I just won't bother any more - having my posts eternally censored for the use of a single word is enough to just make me give up on this community and its forum altogether (something I don't want to do)

Whether this post will make it past moderation, who knows. But yeah, would be miiiighty convenient if this slap were removed now...


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Jeku
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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:51 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 22:53
I don't believe we have the power to reduce slap times (only ban times). Unless Rich is reading this, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until the period is over.

Only the one who slapped you will know how long he slapped you for.

EDIT:

I'm wrong. I see your slap lasts until June 6th, but again us lowly mods can't reduce it.

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:58
About that, did you see me and dark coder parody that topic in two places on these forums?

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:58
I'm tempted to enter -30 days, but that may only make things worse. I can try if you want though....

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 22:58
Quote: "I'm wrong. I see your slap lasts until June 6th, but again us lowly mods can't reduce it."


Ouch!!! That's worse than beeing slapped with a Wet Tuna!

By any chance are you a repeat offender????

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 23:24
Hmmm...I didn't get a long slap for calling mods f**gots in facecious discussion about getting threads locked (Ironically, it was locked), perhaps it is a whole repeat offense thing as Zen pointed out.

But yes they're annoying, but I guess they deter you from doing what you did (Although I did frown at your slap) I mean I only call mod names behind their back And on an occasion I'll spam their inbox with random adverts for the actually food called 'faggots'.

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 23:34
The truth is now a slappable offense?

On another note, with Rich gone will anyone improve the forums? like upgrading them to PHPBB etc.

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 23:37
PHPBB, as I've heard, is easily hacked. This system is made of steel.

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Quote: "This system is made of steel."


Seriously? Steel? Wow...I though the internet was a bunch of tubes....

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 23:50
Quote: "improve the forums? like upgrading them to PHPBB"

How can you use the word 'improve' with 'PHPBB'? At least it wasn't in the same sentence

Anyway, Rich is still around - not fulltime though - and still making tweaks to the forum software.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 00:28
Quote: "How can you use the word 'improve' with 'PHPBB'? "


Easy, 'Why the hell don't they improve PHPBB?!'

Quote: "Seriously? Steel? Wow...I though the internet was a bunch of tubes..."


Steel tubes...Why else do you think it is slow?

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Using phpbb is an invitation to spambots


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Posted: 24th May 2007 02:13
Can the mods see how many times you have been slapped previously? Perhaps you were slapped on a 2nd or 3rd offense and they decided to lengthen the slap period.

Seriously... It's not that hard to behave on forums... I've never been slapped before. Just be mature and withhold from use of foul language and flames.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 02:30
I got a slap once but talked to the mod in question and he lifted it. Can this only be done by the mod who gave it?

And unless there was a lot more to it than calling someone a jerk (even if it is a mod), I don't see how that's worthy of such an incredibly long slap.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 04:34
Noob slaps scare me, thats a dark place i don't ever want to be.

Also I've never met rich, or lee which is why i'm so bummed about not going to the convention. Whoops i'm rambling .

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Posted: 24th May 2007 04:36
I have gotten slapped once. (I deserved the one I did get slapped for.)

I got a one month ban a day that I didn't even post, but after speaking to the online support, it was lifted as an error.

I have a question - Is it possible for a moderator to get slapped?

Who will die first?
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Posted: 24th May 2007 04:37
Quote: "I got a slap once but talked to the mod in question and he lifted it. Can this only be done by the mod who gave it?"


Mods cannot reverse a noob slap...even if they are the mod who did the slapping.Hopefully the powers-that-be at TGC can change this sometime in the future as it appears it would be beneficial to the whole community.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 04:52
Quote: "I can understand people have moments and your reputation has been clear from this post so ill cut you some slack and remove it for you."

That was what the mod told me in the e-mail descussion we had. After that, the slap was gone. So I guess what he did was impossible...

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Posted: 24th May 2007 05:14
I can't remove a slap...but then I'm just a lowly FPSC mod.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 08:24
dang that can't be removed.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 08:51
Quote: "Anyway, Rich is still around - not fulltime though - and still making tweaks to the forum software."


Like making the forums totally unusable between 4PM-6PM UTC

Quote: "I have a question - Is it possible for a moderator to get slapped?"


Oh, you wish.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 09:06
Not being funny, but don't you moderators have meetings anymore?
Seems like Indi no longer actually moderates, but just abuses the fact he is a moderator .. could be wrong, but it's just the impression that seems to have come off since I've been back.

Honestly don't think with his current attitude, he should still have the powers on the forum that he does. Only other time I've seen him this bad is when DarkMouse used to be here regularly.. they were as bad as each other but atleast mouse had the excuse that he was only a teenager (which why he was made a mod will always confuse me given they're suppose to make adult decisions)

It's weird how, sure you can say "well he's a repeat offender of this"; but realistically most of these repeat offenders generally end up getting done again and again for the same thing from the same moderator. If they were really *as* bad as a newbie slap warrents, without warning (which it was) then surely one of the other moderators given the high traffic of the general topic area would also agree with what is done.

Seriously, this is just getting stupid now. It's not even the first complaint post about indi, or even the first this month!!

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Posted: 24th May 2007 09:34
But why post about it here? It's just inciting flames. If you have problems with a particular mod then email support or whatever.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 10:54
Agreed, no reason to start up other people .

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Posted: 24th May 2007 10:59
Doubt my input ever does much good, atleast here i'll get some sorta response and people who might agree or disagree with what i'm saying. Gives a good outlet for it all, contacting TGC about issues generally falls on deaf ears.

The only good mailing support would do, probably would be that some poor sod who has nothing to do with it would catch the brunt of a complaint. After several years of the same old complaints, getting the same generic answers; or worse no answers at all just leads to more want to rant openly. As I said, atleast here I can take some comfort in knowing someone is listening; and that I'm not the only one feeling as frustrated about something.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 11:02
Raven-I see where you're coming from and how that would be aggravating and this thread has been just a conversation and not really a flame fest, but it could turn into one which is probably what the other mods are worried about.

I really don't have the room to speak about this, but I don't think uneccesary tension on the fourms is needed, but I'm also not saying don't voice your opinion and don't let out what you're feeling, just don't turn it into a big war.

I haven't encountered the no answers from support that you guys talk about and i'm kind of glad I don't to be honest with you. I know I would be steamed if noone listened after I had taken the time to politly discuss my issue with a stranger. Well thats what I had to say, hope it didn't make anybody mad.

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Quote: "I don't think uneccesary tension on the fourms is needed"
This is nothing compared to what it was like a few years ago. Although it tended to be more interesting with flame wars about technology and the like (you know what I'm talking about Raven...). Now seems a bit, well, bitty...

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Posted: 24th May 2007 12:08
I was slapped for an 'apparent' attack on TCA/OSX Happy... etc, it was only a mis-understanding and all was resolved....I did, however, email the moderator in question not do a big expose of the facts.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 12:13
I've removed the slap - and mods, you can now do the same (new shiny button in the profile screen, only appears if the user IS actually slapped).

Apollo *WILL* be updated significantly, one of my next projects at Aardman is a complex multi-site forum system.

Voila. Two birds, one apollo shaped stone. Built from scratch.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 12:20
Rich, while you're here, do you have any idea why the forums tend to slow down around 3-4pm ish (I think), there doesn't seem to be any great surge in users as far as I could tell, but loading can take over a minute, and posting even longer.

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We'll see if it happens again today. That is a peak traffic time for the site, but more importantly I just noticed that the network edition of AVG used on the server had recently updated itself, and turned on a daily full scan, at exactly that time - which can't have helped anything, so I disabled it again.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 14:00
I think its kind of funny all this talk about noob slapping.

I think its quite simple. If you abuse someone who is "in charge", or anyone for that matter, you get punished. If you cant work out that VERY simple rule then you should probably go back to elementary school and eat sand and call fellow children 'pooheads' or something equally associated with silly small children (this isn't aimed at anyone - its opinion).

If/When you get a job - if you call your boss a [insert bad name here] then you get the sack. That's life.

I know this forum isn't a job, but if it lowers itself to a point where you can abuse fellow members or moderators then it because a place nobody wants to come back to.

The moderators do their job for free in their own time and they never receive any "love" for it. I rarely see anyone say 'thanks' to a moderator and I CERTAINLY see abuse going at them more than appreciation.

Put yourself in their position. Imagine you were offering to help a community for free, then someone you've never met before in that community decides to call you a jerk. Not only is it offensive to you - but you start to wonder if they person really deserves the right... no... the PRIVILEGE... to post stuff without approval.

Far too many people in modern society believe they have a RIGHT to something when in actual fact its a PRIVILEGE they should earn and respect. If you cant responsibly use your "freedom of speech" then why do you deserve to have it? Its precisely the same principle with murderer's - if you cant responsibly walk down the road without stabbing someone then you don't deserver your "right" to freedom until you have proved that you've learned your lesson.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 14:17
There are some essential traits required to be a mod:

1. Be thick-skinned, and coat yourself in Lard. That way, any abuse slides straight off. At the end of the day it's aimed at your Mod status, not you personally.

2. Be able to differentiate between harmless bickering and actual slappable offences. Everyone has an opinion, it's simply how it manifests itself that makes the difference between Slap or Ignore.

3. If you want to express an personal opinion, do it with your Mod-hat off, and accept the responses as any other user would have to.

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Posted: 24th May 2007 14:23
Personally, I think it's good to be noob slapped. That's the only way you can be absolutely sure someone will read the uninteresting drivel you type. (j/k)


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Posted: 24th May 2007 14:41 Edited at: 24th May 2007 14:43
Quote: "if you call your boss a [insert bad name here] then you get the sack"
Actually where I used to work you could call him all the names under the sun. Our MD used to walk by, call you a ****wit, you would call him a **** back, and all was smiles, beer and payrises. Till we got took over. Think the main thing is the way you [insert a bad name here] to your boss. I could call my boss, and even his boss a ******, *****, or even a **** and no-one would care. If I called him a stupid twit for writing rubbish code back in the dinosaur era I would probably get the sack. Main reason why we used to hate QAing the MD when he decided to do an urgent job from our schedule over the weekend to keep his finger in. He wasn't that great anymore (esp. because our system has over 6000 programs and you have to keep your eye on the ball really) and our manager made us QA him. He never failed QA with us. We just quietly fixed it. Heh, he was the kind of guy who expected whole systems coded in a weekend (cos him and the manager did that a few times when times were simpler...). Think he expected us to convert to Y2K overnight. Took us 4500 programs to change if I remember rightly (2000+ myself) and about a month and a bit of working round the clock. Good times...

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Posted: 24th May 2007 15:05
Dazzag - you're completely right, its all contextual and depends on the person.

But generally speaking, you'll get sacked for abusing your boss

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Pff, I shot my boss and the CEO, and I didn't get fired. Mainly because it was Call of Duty 2 on the XBox360, but still...

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Quote: "Pff, I shot my boss and the CEO, and I didn't get fired. Mainly because it was Call of Duty 2 on the XBox360, but still..."


Most AFK players don't have a chance to respond .

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I cant believe your Boss and CEO play on an XBox 360... Dont they have jobs which consume their lives?

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It was a games company, so it was classed as "research"

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Quote: "I think its quite simple. If you abuse someone who is "in charge", or anyone for that matter, you get punished."
I think what some people are getting at is that sadly, it doesn't seem to work the other way round. Those in charge don't seem to get 'punished' for abusing, mocking or belittling the lowly forum dwellers. If they are punished it certainly isn't made public which gives the impression they can do whatever they like. Of course, this may not be true.
I have had discussions/disagreements with mods but they were healthy and nothing to complain about. I have, however, seen some unnecessary postings and actions from mods which IMO should have been dealt with better. Not many though.
There is also the business of humour. Most of us like to put in a joke or two to lighten posts and harmless 'Micky taking' is all part of that. This is where it becomes a grey area as its often difficult to differenciate humour from abuse in plain text. I guess thats what emoticons are for but its still hard and leads to many a misunderstanding.
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Quote: "Those in charge don't seem to get 'punished'"

That's true wherever you go. You don't see managers or teachers being sacked for being late, do you? But when you are, you've got hell to pay.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 24th May 2007 16:27 Edited at: 24th May 2007 16:31
I agree it was too long, I couldnt change it afterwards.

If you get personal David, you know its not going to go down well.
You took my opinion as a personal insult and decided to have a go.
And it was the 2nd time you tried to have a go anyway so you kind of deserved it.

David R, sorry if it was too long, thats not my style.
I can tell the length tho, made you think, which is what its intended to do.

How about emailing me next time with a sorry mate I did call you a jerk, because I took your opinion to be a personal attack towards me only, and I decided to have a go at you

Thanks raven, your input is distinguished amongst all others. I wish it counted for something however

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Posted: 24th May 2007 16:27 Edited at: 24th May 2007 16:32
Quote: "You don't see managers or teachers being sacked for being late"

That's because it's done behind closed doors. It's unprofessional and counterproductive to reprimand someone in a leadership position in front of their subordinates.

You can tell when it happens, but you rarely see it.

As for the noob slap, when a mod is attacked personally it will without a doubt effect the outcome of the punishment, as in this case. Maybe indi is a bit impatient sometimes, but I think he's a good guy and Mod.


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Posted: 24th May 2007 16:34
Well, I am yet to see my IT teacher (yes, I hate her) being sacked for being as much as three quarters of an hour late for no reason at all. It was a double lesson with breaktime in the middle; what possible reason could she have for being that late? I think it's because the admin, the only people capable of sacking them, simply doesn't find out.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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@NeX: That and MAYBE she had something important to do that couldn't wait?

Sometimes there IS a reason hehe

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Quote: "Sometimes there IS a reason"

Of course, she was probably in the kitchen.

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She was probably paying a visit to her 16 year old boyfriend. Extra credit for him.


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Posted: 24th May 2007 17:39
This conversation has suddenly taken quite a controversial and ugly turn...

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Posted: 24th May 2007 17:59 Edited at: 24th May 2007 18:01
Quote: "You don't see managers or teachers being sacked for being late, do you?"
Yes. Amongst other things. Admittingly most people don't get to know why people are sacked (or even if they were sacked). Luckily I was high enough to get told most things. One manager was once sacked because he basically kept coming to work totally drunk. Another because he was always really late, and another because he was a total druggy and kept bringing the dog into work (under his desk). They sacked the last one by post. He didn't turn up for a month and they were concerned he could sue them for not being sensitive about his drug condition (don't do anything without lawyers). In the end they just posted it through the letterbox. Never saw him again. Heh, and I just remembered the guy who broke a receptionist's foot after dancing with her stupidely (totally drunk) at a Xmas party.

Most sad sacking though (not a manager) was a programmer I knew. He was a nice bloke but utterly stupid (even with a CS degree). I mean really thick. We had let a lot of people slide in the past but one day our manager decided to have tests for interviews to filter out the drudge. He decided to give it to all the programmers there too (about 50, but not me as they had sent me to Dubai at the time, but I got to mark all the tests from then on after I got back. Lots of fun ). The bloke in question got 5% after being there 9 months. Completely shocked my manager but they gave him another chance to prove himself (basically 2 weeks of severe scrutiny at his work). Totally and utterly failed basically. Bloke was crying in his exit interview apparently. My manager almost gave in, but the QA manager was strong and they sacked him. He asked if they could not tell anyone. They agreed and he came back into the room with a big smile on his face saying how he got a great C++ job in the middle of London. We all congratulated him of course, but unfortunatly pretty much *everyone* in the room (about 30 people) knew he had been took out to be sacked. Manager was not exactly quiet about such things down the pub.... Very sad...

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