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zenassem
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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:23 Edited at: 30th May 2007 17:25
Just going to make this quick. I'm sorry I have had so many (seemingly) angry posts recently. My posts span a spectrum from being a genuine nice guy, to being a real jerk the next minute. I find myself doing a lot of editing lately.

I have been frustrated so easily as of late. Some of it has to do with not feeling so well, and my mood seems to ping all over the place. I've been taken some of my frustration out on people here. It's not really acceptable, and I'm not acting very much like an adult at times. I'll try not posting when I'm feeling edgey. Becuase I read back what I have posted in a different light and I think WTF was I thinking. So I'm a bit off lately.

A quick thanks to those who have kept me grounded a bit, and some helpful e-mails I have received.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:27
I think I'm worse consistently, don't sweat it


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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:28
Tell me about it. Combinations of work and toothache (I seriously hate dentists) has made me a bit of a git lately. You spanner

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:29
I reckon you're all just grumpy old men.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:30
Quote: "I seriously hate dentists"


You're not the only one.

Damn that needle hurt........

E.D.

indi
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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:30
your both human and I consider you a puzzle piece to this forum.

stop worrying dammit, or i'm going to pay greenlig to fly over and set you both damm straight

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:32
Quote: "indi Posted: 30th May 2007 09:30"

Quote: "Eldest Dragon Posted: 30th May 2007 09:30"


So I will reply to your post in this.

Quote: "stop worrying dammit, or i'm going to pay greenlig to fly over and set you both damm straight "


Lol nice .

Well..... sure this was a bit pointless but I am
Quote: "human"



E.D.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:32
Quote: "I reckon you're all just grumpy old men"
T**t...

Quote: "Damn that needle hurt"
Yep. Serious phobia here. Beer helps. Which is nice (must stop watching old Fast Show repeats)...

Quote: "I consider you a puzzle piece to this forum"
What, like hard to fit in with everything else in the beginning, and has lots of knobbly bits?

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:34
mm knobbly bits, drools.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:35
Quote: "Damn that needle hurt......."

Be thankful you actually get an injection there.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:36 Edited at: 30th May 2007 17:38
Quote: "What, like hard to fit in with everything else in the beginning, and has lots of knobbly bits? "


Stop making me laugh .

Quote: "Yep. Serious phobia here."


He stuck a needle in 5 different parts of my gum.... that wasn't phobia, that was PAIN .

Although not as bad as the time that ameature nurse tried to steri-strip my nose after an ice skate hitting it........... I was 8 at the time..........






E.D.

Quote: "Quote: "Damn that needle hurt......."
Be thankful you actually get an injection there."


Yeah..... but it's hard to actually think that at the time..... after all, having the tooth pulled doesn't hurt .

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:50
I once had a casting of my teeth done for a brace (only a very small one) and the dentist really put an effort into getting the putty stuff out of my mouth. They actually creaked at one point and it really really hurt. Then my tooth fell out. So he did it again... Arrrrgggghhhh!!!!

Another time I looked up from a filling and saw about 5 dentist juniors looking on. Annoying.

But worst of all, far worse than anything else, is the needles. Just really really don't like them. Once I had to have one in the front of my tooth, so they went and injected at the top and front of the tooth. Right at the front. Man that was bad. Hate all that. Feeling strange just thinking about it...

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:51 Edited at: 30th May 2007 17:52
It must be male menopause. Need that testosterone gel.



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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:54
We all have moods, people may reply back rudely for it, but remember we all have off moments when we wrongly snap at others, it's human, so there's nothing to hold against you. I've snapped at users before for wrong reasons, once because I was in a bad mood I had a right go at someone who insulting Jews...although clearly he was joking in a non-offensive way. (Wasn't here though)

Just try to keep a good forum ettiquette, as you already do. Best way to approach things is, anything that annoys me isn't worth being annoyed about either because its 'ignorant', 'stupid' or 'foolish' - if the last two, then you can just tell them without a rant, if the first, isn't worth stressing over, passing through ignorance is extremely difficult - I've tried many times and remains unsuccessful.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 17:55
Nope, not any male menopause.
Are any of these in your environment?

Wi-Fi signal generators
Cellular phones
Aspartame
Fluoridated water

Make sure that you've eliminated these things from your environment.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:03
Quote: "Need that testosterone gel"
I watched a program once about that sort of thing. They showed that even from about 30 a bloke starts losing their testosterone level or somesuch which basically makes them more tired etc. I mean I'm 34 and you can start to feel it (no more drinking till 5am then running up and down the street like an idiot). Call it Slipper Mode. I was seriously happy when I discovered these comfiest slippers ever in MS. They really are nice... sigh...

Anyways, the program showed these men injecting themselves every six months or so with boosters of Testosterone. And they were much much happier. Not just happier, but more energetic and full of life. Nice. One bloke was 75 years old acting like a 20 year old again and claimed to feel like he could live for another 30 years easy.

Unfortuantly, as always seems the way, it concluded with the fact that it looks like it will end your life early if you do such a thing. Typical...

Most interesting thing though is they did experiments and they found that overall randomly selected women found the men who boosted testosterone more attractive then the ones that didn't. And it was with a wide range of males too. They sensed it basically by the looks of things. So if you are not getting any luck then take a booster. But you will probably die sooner....

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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:09 Edited at: 30th May 2007 18:11
I just feel silly sometimes. Because this is a FUN forum. I have so many other responsibilities in life. Work, taking care of the house, the yard, the pool, my relationship, the kids, paying the bills etc... And I come here because I enjoy programming and seeing what other people are doing. And somehow I get away from that and I get out my soapbox, and start preaching, and getting mad. This is no other part of my life that I act like that.

@heartbone,

All of those are in my environement. Are you messing with me?

Wi-Fi signal generators (have 3 of them in my house plus wireless cell phones, house phone etc..)
Cellular phones
Aspartame - Is in what I drink...
Fluoridated water - same here

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Posted: 30th May 2007 18:13
Quote: "This is no other part of my life that I act like that"
Nope. Even on most other forums I am not like that. But then in IT forums you do get quite a bit of geeky one-up-manship that pretty much baits you to make a comment. Which, as I said, I never normally do. Lately though I've been a bit gnarly. A/C gets put in next week, so all good (try programming all day for a living in 32C temp)....

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Posted: 30th May 2007 19:11
zenassem, I'll pray for you.

Here are 4 politically neutral Google searches to get you started.

1) Cochran doctor tumor phone

2) aspartame brain

3) Wi-Fi UK schools

4) Fluoridated water

I'd start by removing the ASPARTAME POISON.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 19:28 Edited at: 30th May 2007 19:36
Ok, I really need to figure some of this out. I just had MRI's done, as well as an Echo Cardiogram... I haven't gone over the results with my neurologist yet. I have an appt. Next Tuesday. I've really been off lately and started to fear that I have lymes dissease, fibromyalgia, MS, Chronic fatigue, Adrenal Exhaustion.

I'm also waiting on word from a NeuroScience test from my natural food/nutritionist to figure out what the heck is going on.

The apartame stuff is freaking me out a bit. I've been drinking tons of it, in order to reduce the extra weight, I had put on from some meds I had been taking... I know i can't jump to conlclusions, but I'm throwing out anything that has that in it.

I can drink bottled water... but the other 2 I can't see a way around. What about Wi-Fi in the US. I have both wireless B/G routers (2.4ghz not sure if my is at 5.8ghz). I work in networking, and I never heard fed into any dangers from these things. My Uniden phones are 5.8 ghz.

The main fear is cause of fatigue, & cancer. I really began to feal fatigued over the last 2 years. I have worked their for 6 years. I have at 24 Cisco wireless AP's surrounding me at work. And becuase of the signal issues inside an older school with concrete, rebar, and everything else up in the ceiling (prob still some asbestos tiles), these things are set for maximum distance, some with higher gain atennas, other with external dipole antennas, and more with internal antennas (mainly 1100 and 1200) series. I set them up, I've worked with them right next to me, I configure and reset, repair them when they go down. and I am surrounded by them every hour I am at work, and at home. I have taken a few months leave from work (with pay) to attempt to figure out what id going on with me.

I might as well start licking lead paint. I thought I might have some lead mercury poisoning from dental fillings. And here I'm sucking down Apertame!!!!

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Posted: 30th May 2007 19:32
Nice going heartbone, you created a hypochondriac...
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Posted: 30th May 2007 19:34
There are a gazillion things that are said to be bad for you, those are only a handful. I wouldn't worry too much about these things if I were you.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 19:39
I know. I know. But when you are truly feeling sick, reading that stuff sent a chill up my spine. Especially the UK's take on Wi-Fi. What the heck, no one in america is making a peep. We had the utility poles, power-lines surge in the 80's & 90's. But I was always told that Wi-Fi is harmless.

And here I worked in radar in the military. Don't think that I didn't get radiated out there to boot. From my own radar, and from Fighter pilots marking target with their infrared laser. They handed us goggles after I was doing the job looking up at the planes for 2 years.

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Posted: 30th May 2007 20:20
Quote: "Are any of these in your environment?"


I hope you don't turn out to be a salesman for a tinfoil company ...

Alternate links:

1. wifi bad science
This one really was just scare-mongering - the BBC had their apology letter ready before the show was aired, and the 'expert' sells silver-plated curtains and insulating carbon paint. Even the kids in the schools thought the way that field strength was measured was stupid.

2. Aspartame bad science
Maybe, maybe not. I don't get headaches from it despite being a cola addict. On the other hand, everyone's different.

3. cell phone health bad science
Maybe, maybe not. I don't have 'electrosensitivity' to phone masts, and don't feel any adverse affects that I can determine (except for sudden violent emotional responses to some of the stupid ringtones I hear ). Also, I'm not ruled by my phone as some people seem to be, and don't live with one glued to my ear.

4. fluoride bad science
Maybe, maybe not. I couldn't find any site that wasn't either massively for it, or massively against it. The fact is that your body does nothing with the fluoride you ingest except try to get rid of it, and it's poisonous in large enough volumes (2 to 5 grams). The only reason fluorides are added to water and toothpaste is to poison the bacteria in your mouth. Despite that, there isn't anywhere near the volumes required to kill an adult in toothpaste, and you'd die of 'water poisoning' (over-dilution of the bodies salts) before being able to drink enough water to matter ... still, I'm undecided on this one.

Whoa, they got longer as I went on ... and on

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Posted: 30th May 2007 20:27
Aspartame is bad. It's a chemical, and above a certain temperature breaks down into its base components. Nothing in life is free. If you think you can drink a soda with 0 calories, 0 grams of carbs, I'm here to tell you that is simply not true.

I'm not completely decided on Fluoride, but if you have good dental hygiene then I think that you're best without it. Japan doesn't fluorinate water, which I'm glad for. It's a chemical, and while it's probably not bad, it certainly isn't good for you.

As for radio signals being bad, I don't believe any of that. Anything stronger is bad, of course, but radio signals are everywhere anyway.


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Posted: 30th May 2007 20:40
I stopped (knowingly) ingesting Aspartame last year after finding out about it and other artificial sweetners. Ive been trying to stick to bottled water and when I get fed up with that, the occasional 7up

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Posted: 30th May 2007 21:38 Edited at: 30th May 2007 21:47
Thanks IanM, at least that's another perspective. Stilled worried about the Aspartame though...

Is there anything on Sucralose and Acesulfame potasium? I'll have to google, but that's in my Fuit20, and I gave up soda to drink this. And I am hooked on it and Vitamin Water which is a bit exspensive.

@Cash Curtis II,
I did get interested in radio waves and wireless when I was mapping out Wi-Fi signals around Long Island, using my Cantenna amplified Orinoco gold card, and AirSnare, NetStumbler, MS streets & maps, and Magellan GPS.

I realized how much my neighbors were bleeding their Wi-Fi into my home. Articles from the EFF and 2600, claimed that rather than it being illegal for me to receive and bounce signals off there wireless (opposed to crossing their firewall) it was more of a legal issue the fact that they are bombarding my body & home with Electro. Waves.

It was a bit scary, but the only reason I was concerned, was because of my high gain antenna, and I wasn't sure what damage I was doing, albeit breaking a few FCC laws.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 04:23
IanM, usually you make sense.
The man feels that he is experiencing something.
Things that I too have experienced.
I share non biased pointers to others experiences,
and for some strange reason you feel a need to marginalize the possibility that these things are dangerous?
Why would you do that?
A variation of your sarcastic tinfoil reference is actually working for somebody.
The woman who needs a veil of protection from modern life

OK it's not quite a tinfoil hat, but something's going on whether you are aware of it or not.

zenassem , believe me start by eliminating the Aspartame.

Also eliminate as many EMFs from your environment as you can.
Keep the cell phone at least 2 feet away from your body when in use. (use hands free)

Since both cell phones and aspartame are both suspected brain tumor agents, maybe they cancel each other out?
I doubt it.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 04:31
Quote: "Damn that needle hurt......."


yeah, thats why I've avoided the dentist and doctor for 8 years now. Last time i got a shot, my senses shut down. I couldn't see or hear anything, and I felt all tingly. really weird. haven't been to doctor or dentist since.

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@zenassem -
Definitely drop the aspartame. You probably drink a lot of sugar free sodas and doing this will be painful, but you really should. Drink Gatorade or just water instead. A little sugar is better than a little poison.

As far as Sucralose (Splenda) is concerned, treat that stuff like salt. It is not poisonous, and you actually ingest very little because it is four times sweeter than aspartame but has lots of bulking agent (dextrose). However, it contains chlorine. Organochlorides are rarely good for humans or animals. So, consume in moderation. I say again - nothing in life is free. Especially if it has chlorine in it...

Also, Splenda sweetened drinks are not that good. They taste like liquid Teflon (if such a thing is possible). Splenda sweetened solids are much better.

I'm working on developing a line of health foods aimed specifically at diabetics that will use Splenda. Ah, the irony. I won't touch this stuff but I'll be selling it to kids.


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Posted: 31st May 2007 04:42
Quote: "Is there anything on Sucralose and Acesulfame potasium? I"

Yes, they are bad too, but not nearly as bad.
If you must have sweet drinks switch to stevia.

I could tell you stories about women wrongly in prison for murder because their husbands ODed (on aspartame), but the authorities accused the wife of spiking the husbands food intake with anti-freeze.
But this is not the place.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 05:29 Edited at: 31st May 2007 05:30
This is really helpful. Honestly I tried get my results for my NeuroScience this evening. Unfortunately to login you need to first register on the phone. And they were only open till 5:00pm central time. This was at the recommendation of a nutritionist/homeopathic Dr. which I am finally seeing. Had 1 appt so far, and he wanted to get the results of this test before getting into my diet more. Sure he'd have a field day with me. So I'll let you all know what the results are tomorrow.

Here's a link to NeuroScience for those interested.

I'm sticking with water. My VitaminWater has crystalline fructose. So I'll have to look that up. I usually drink the XXX as it's suppose to have triple antioxidants, and help eliminate free radicals.

Threw out my Fruit2o, and my remaining sugar-free Soda stock. Wasn't much left, but I do believe this stuff was making my brain whacked out. I had been losing weight, nearly 12 lbs. in two weeks, since I eliminated Pepsi and Coke. But I really think I'll be better off cutting all the way back to bottled water. It will be tough.

I find out the results of my MRI on Tuesday.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 13:02
Yea, aspartame is a dubious one. I'm not allowed touch the stuff at all because I've a mild form of a condition called PKU, which means I have a raised level of phenylalanine, which could lead to braindamage.

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@Heartbone,

Sorry you felt I was trying to put down your points - I was trying to keep the discussion balanced, which IMO, it wasn't at that point.

I very carefully chose my search criteria - your links show only one side of the argument (maybe not your fault - most of them are news sites who sensationalise the issues to get readers). I wanted to see more. I wanted to see if there were any opposing views too.

Apart from the Wifi one I couldn't rule any of them out for other people - that's why I put 'maybe, maybe not', as there's no real proof either way (that means documented, reproducable, unconflicting, independent).

The Wifi one *is* purely scaremongering:
- The guy doing the measuring on the Panorama, and 'setting the scales' (he actually says this in the program) has a vested interest in showing that Wifi is bad.
- Wifi adjusts its power usage downwards when the reception is strong from a usual rating of 30 milliwatts. They output very little when not in use.
- The fact is that in the UK there have been many more watts of power output at similar frequencies to Wifi for many many years via television transmitters, phone masts, emergency services transmitters etc.

Mobile phones suffer from the same issues too, but they themselves are of higher power than wifi (easily 10 to 30 times more powerful - they run at up to 1 watt) and are handheld (zero range) so you can't rule out their effects as easily. Note, it's not the masts I'm talking about here, but the phones themselves. The masts are less cause for concern.

Television runs at 10's to 1000's of watts. This should be of more concern than Wifi, and of at least equal concern to phones.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 18:56
Quote: "The Wifi one *is* purely scaremongering:"


I didn't directly link to whatever you are describing IanM, so how can you criticize it in a response to me?

You can accuse Google of being unbalanced if you want to.
Unlike yours, my search criteria was value neutral.
Who knows what their ranking algorithms are?
As far as your assertion that there is no real proof....
I used to get those same reactions
(and even more ridiculous ones)
on LLRGT when I used to rant about the dangers of depleted uranium.
My advice is to do some actual research on serious health issues before knee-jerk reacting in defense of the status-quo.

Certainly the specific non-Google link that I pointed y'all to was not propaganda or biased,
unless you believe the woman is crazy.
I believe her.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 19:01
zenassem, I too worked in the field of radar in the military

AFSC 303_3 - Automatic Tracking Radar Repairman

Back in the day (35 years ago),
they instilled a healthy respect for the concept of avoiding EMF.
Isn't that still the case?

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@heartbone -

So what you're saying is there's a conspiracy where Google has some vested interest in burying the "Wi-Fi is hazardous" links to the bottom of the searches?

A bit contrived?

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Posted: 31st May 2007 20:33
*Sigh* I wasn't criticising it because you posted it. I was criticising it because it was posted. I don't know why you're taking it personally, but I'm sorry that you took my previous sorry as a personal attack.

Google isn't biassed, the people who it provides links to may be. You find out a lot of information about these kind of things by searching to see if people can refute them. Seeing both sides tends to keep it balanced. The obvious 'positive' searches don't always do that.

Is that woman crazy? Don't know, but truth has nothing to do with sanity in this case - she might be crazy and right, or sane and wrong - I don't know. All that I know is that I'm not affected in that way, and that's all I've said in any of these posts.

I've a feeling that all that typing was wasted though *Sigh* Never mind.

Anyway, good luck with finding out what's going on zenassem

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Posted: 31st May 2007 21:15 Edited at: 31st May 2007 21:20
Quote: "zenassem, I too worked in the field of radar in the military

AFSC 303_3 - Automatic Tracking Radar Repairman

Back in the day (35 years ago),
they instilled a healthy respect for the concept of avoiding EMF.
Isn't that still the case?"


Not sure of the AFSC # but that was my job title.
Automatic Tracking Radar Operator/Repair. AKA(Auto Tracker) AKA(Ground Aerospace Radar Tech).

They did tell us to avoid it, but the clowns that I worked with on the range weren't always the brightest bulbs. I can only pray that those blanking zones actually work. There wasn't any alarm or sound like the newer mini-mutes to let you know the the transmitters are going up. There were a lot of occassions that I was either driving around the bombing range, and a fellow radar op thought it would be fun to try and lock-on to the vehicle,
or I was walking from a shelter to the radr unit only to have someone inside fire-it up. In my training we watched videos of early radar troops, cooking food and standing right in front of the dish.

The thing I am worried about a bit more, is whether or not the pilots were marking radar ground targets. Because we didn't have goggles until my second year in. And if we weren't needed for a mission I would sit on top of the T3 Radar and watch the fighters.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 21:51
I haven't read up on aspertame, but fluorided water is bad. Most of western europe has banned it. It's said to have an negative effect on your immune system and can weaken your bones aswell as (but not limited to) make you fat.....or so they say.

Ofcourse as any other chemical, too much of it is bad.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/

Back on topic: You seem to do alot of apologizing, i think you see yourself as worse than you really are. From my perspective, you seem to be quite normal, never apologize for being normal.

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Posted: 31st May 2007 23:25
I agree with Grandma, every word.

I'm unique, just like everybody else.
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Quote: "*Sigh* I wasn't criticising it because you posted it. I was criticising it because it was posted. "


Thanks for the response IanM.

I did not consider your response a personal attack.

I did not suggest a reason for your criticism, I just noted it for topic perspective, as I believe this to be an important topic.

I typed "and for some strange reason you feel a need to marginalize the possibility that these things are dangerous?
Why would you do that?"


I don't quite understand that sort of response from anyone.
Especially you, since you usually make total sense.

Since we are speaking of health, has anyone else (older folks especially) noticed a lack of flying insects?
This year especially, and over the past few as well?

I'm unique, just like everybody else.
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Posted: 31st May 2007 23:57
Quote: "Sorry you felt I was trying to put down your points - I was trying to keep the discussion balanced, which IMO, it wasn't at that point.

I very carefully chose my search criteria - your links show only one side of the argument (maybe not your fault - most of them are news sites who sensationalise the issues to get readers). I wanted to see more. I wanted to see if there were any opposing views too."

I'll leave it alone for a while after this.
My links were designed in seconds because I wanted a spread of opinions and for a fellow adult to have a good range of knowledge.
I've seen many of zenassem's posts and I know he's an good guy and an adult so I responded directly to him.

A "Tinfoil" comment (a gentle jab that would not normally bother me at all) combined with a thought out list of biased counterpoint links is not quite what I'd expect from a MODERATOR of your stature.

So I do understand why you thought your response in this thread was a personal attack.
It's just that I don't take these sort of exchanges personally, and neither should you.

I'm unique, just like everybody else.
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Heartbone, his links are no more biased than the ones you pointed out.

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Quote: "that needle hurt........"

Shouldnt happen, they should be using sharp ones, they used a sharp one for me, i didnt feel a thing.

Zenassem, I havent noticed anything anyway, besides, not long ago, and i mean a few hours ago i contributed a rushed model to a project, but i put a good one with it

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Quote: "Shouldnt happen, they should be using sharp ones"
Yeah, I know, just feels like something resembling cold to me. Unfortuantly my mind mucks me about so I hate it. Don't even start with what I am like with blood....

Cheers

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Posted: 1st Jun 2007 18:28
Quote: "Don't even start with what I am like with blood...."


Bet I'm worse .


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Quote: "never apologize for being normal"

hmph..but what is normal??

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2007 09:50
Quote: "hmph..but what is normal??"


basically, not perfect.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2007 10:01
Seems like every night there is a new "study" telling me something else is bad for me, I give up.

This just in! Being born can cause cancer, and a common household ingredient could kill you within the next hour, more at 11.

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