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Geek Culture / Bullying - What To Do

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HeavyAmp
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 06:49
First thing to do is tell everyone you can think of that might be able to help you to what is happening. Parents/teachers/principal. If this does not result in helping your situation then you obviously have to do something about it.

This is what I would suggest. Note only go through with this if it your last option and you see no other way. Also don't go through with this if you think you have no chance whatsoever in standing up to them. Think very carefully about this before going through with it.

Carry a pen around with you at all times. If they come up to you pull your pen out and hold it in a position to stab. Make sure you are holding your pen in a visable manner up near your chest. They will think twice about attacking you physically. They will realize if they attack you they will likely get stabbed.

If they do start attacking thrust for the face neck and chest area. Keep on stabbing until the person/people you are facing are no longer capable of physically attacking you then walk away from the area.

If they are only verbally assaulting you just stare at them and don't speak but don't walk away. Just wait for them to loose interest. Keep repeating this every time they come up to you.

Whatever you do. Do not attack them with the pen if they don't physically attack you first. Also do not think that it would be better to carry a knife or another sharp instrument around. Theres an excuse for there being a pen in your pocket but there is no excuse for a knife or anything else being there.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 06:57
actually, HeavyAmp is very much right...

Quote: "First thing to do is tell everyone you can think of that might be able to help you to what is happening. Parents/teachers/principal. If this does not result in helping your situation then you obviously have to do something about it."


even if they call you a tattle-tale just ignore it. the more they bother you, the more they get in trouble. one kid was bothering me so much i just reported him to my teacher almost every other day. eventually he got tired of getting detentions more than once a week...

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 07:28
Quote: ", and its about time you start putting out some of their lights. I commend your patience but at some point enough is enough"

I agree. I've been in that situation before. I used to get picked on in grade school. Only it was usually fist fights, not name calling. Had no choice but to fight back (i usually won). Next day I'd have to hear about how I got my butt kicked (a complete lie, even my neighbors saw me win). Of course, now I have that kind of a**hole dont take crap from anyone attitude that most people don't even look twice at me. Even if they did, I got my years of retaliation experience under my belt and now I actually enjoy a good fight. (they turned me into this)

Quote: "Hate to be the party pooper but if you do punch one of them and they crack their head on the floor they could die. Then you'd be in a right pickle."

So? It's self-defense, they had it coming. You're now free, the world is a better place due to one less non-contributer to society.

Quote: "Still, don't be violent, it's not a good trait to have,"

Listen to Jess, you don't want your mind to turn out like mine.


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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 07:48 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 07:49
Get a punching bag and practice on that every day. When the time comes and somebody is in your face and pushing you around, punch them like you do on the bag, and they will be shocked. Honestly, the bag is a great way to learn how to box. Most likely the bully will not expect you to do that.

There was a real ass when I was in Grade 8 that would strut around like Mr. Man, and he was pushing my friend around one day. I stepped in between the two and the jerk swung at me like a girl--- honestly. He swung his fist in a circular motion and hit me in the ear. Like nothing else, I did exactly what I was practicing on the punching bag in my basement, and punched him square on the jaw. His eyes started watering (usually an automatic reaction to a punch in the jaw), so people were laughing because it looked like he was crying.

Anyways, I got hurt in the ear, but at least I showed him not to mess around with me. Just imagine if I didn't do anything after he punched me, I'd still have a sore ear and he wouldn't have a sore jaw!

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 12:10
You said they where supposed to be your friends, but they are not. Friends take care of each other, and would stop if you said 'stop'. But these ones don't do that, they hurt you, which meeens they are not your friends.

Also, a punching bag is an goos idea. You can use it to channal all your frustration in an constructive way, too.

Quote: "So? It's self-defense, they had it coming. You're now free, the world is a better place due to one less non-contributer to society."


Don't kill. It may be self defence, but that does not meen that you should kill someone if they punch you in the somach. You have the right to defend yourself by trying to stop them by punching them in the stomach, but just to make them stop. Don't go for 'an eye for an eye', just defend yourself to make them stop. Keep in mind that violence should never by used as an first solution.

One more thing. If they physically hurt you, you can always go to the police. I don't know how it is in your counry, but here you always have the law on your side, against the bullies.
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 12:12 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 12:13
Quote: "Ignore them and they wont bother..."

um i dont' know. i used to try ignoring themj and it didn't work, so i popped em' a good one two. but that as just me so i dont' know.

Quote: "Get a punching bag and practice on that every day"

thats got to be a great idea. attackt eh punching bag with ur anger from them bein little a-holes. then when it comes down to it nail there ugly faces till they bleed...well not exactly that but u get my idea.

haha lets rock this world.
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 13:18 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 13:28
I remember that i was bullied from 1th grade to 6th grade. It was some in the paralell class that was dealing with verbal abuse. Man, the whole class was a bunch of ******* a-holes.

Back at that time i was different fro who i am now. I used to be a lot wierder and immature, so i guess that was the reason they picked on me. But i had my friends and lots of space to be at and avoid them on.

Hell, i remember that one day, two of the guys, a chinese ******* chewing gum scraper, and a Igor-looking bastard pretended to be our friends and when the school ended for the day, they threw snowballs at us and calling us names. Later on when school ended and i were to begin 7th grade i changed school too a much better one where i got a lot of good friends.

Then one day in 8th grade i heard some of the girls from my class were talking behind one of my bullies (one of the girls) back. They used to be friends but now they said the most gruesome stuff about her. Later on, in 9th grade, a guy told me that she, one of the bullies, had committed suicide. She had hung herself in the kitchen.

AND MAN WAS I HAPPY!

I know that its very dark and evil to wish or celebrate someones death, but she, along with the others, had caused me so much mental pain under these six years. She had got what she deserved.

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I also have one of my friends to thank for who i am today. He has indirectly taught me not to tolerate me being sat on.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 14:37
Quote: "1th grade"


Nice one. How'd you get in there?

I was never really bullied that much just some retards making fun of me every now and again, but they okay some of the time.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 16:07 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 16:16
If you had been there, if you SAW them, you would never ask. Children can be so cruel.

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You should report the teachers that laughed at you when you told them about the bullies, because THAT's not acceptable.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 16:46
brummel, I know, and I'm not the only one they didn't take seriously.
Because of my ADHD, I would get quite worked up, so they never really took anything I said seriously.

What I really would rather do (rather than report them) is go back and see if I can talk at a school assembly and pretty much say "I graduated from University, I now make computer games for a living, and I'm on $100K a year doing something that I absolutely love. And you know what? It's with no thanks at all, and with no help at all from any of my teachers except Mrs Evans." - That'd provide much more satisfaction for me.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 16:51
I 2nd or 3rd or 4th or whatever the punch bag idea. I have a punch bag and after a few months, you not only develop a stronger punch, your wrists and knuckles become able to take the impact (for the first few months they get ruined if you hit the bag hard). You also build upper body stamina, and the whole punching action becomes second nature. You learn how to swing and make a good contact. It's great for fitness too. One of the best work outs you can have.


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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 17:12 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 17:20
The punching bag is a great idea and all.. but you've got to know how to punch before even that.. or else you'll just be flailing at it.. And flailing will do you no good. You'll just have your ass beaten.

My advice would to just ignore them and maybe throw some words around, but never resort to physical violence unless it is essential for your to escape harm. Like Jess has said, if you're hanging around this forum, you're most likely not the most physically adept. I could be wrong, but that's the general stereotype.

When I was younger, I was bullied constantly.. and I became very, very paranoid and self-critical. I hated myself and I starting working out like a maniac and I started sparring with my Uncle. I got into wrestling, kickboxing, and karate. I was determined to get bigger, stronger, faster, and just dangerous. About 2 years later, one of the old bullies, decided to spit on me and push me around. After I let my anger build up for a little bit..I just exploded. I hit him with a flurry of quick jabs and one big right uppercut. I broke that guy's jaw. Now I'm on probation for another year and a half. That means I can't go anywhere after 9:00pm, I can't go anywhere unsupervised, learning how to drive is delayed, if I get introuble punishment will be 10 times worse, and I just really can't be a kid. I've only got a year left of school, so, my time for enjoying the highschool days is basically ruined. Not only that, but having a reputation for being "psychotic" isn't exactly fun. That didn't help the bullying much either. Now random idiots try to get me to fight them... Of course this was just my experience, and not a 'normal' experience either. I took my hate for bullies too far and I really hurt someone. It didn't feel good... I didn't feel any better. I only felt worse. I stunted my growth and I'm stuck at 5'2" for life. Yeah, I made myself that 'fighter' I wanted to be - but now I can't compete at all when I'm older. The weight classes are too big.

Quote: "It's great for fitness too. One of the best work outs you can have.
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No. It's a start. You need to combine excersizes to make a true work out.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 17:27
Quote: "No. It's a start. You need to combine excersizes to make a true work out."


Sorry Mr Motivator!


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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 17:56 Edited at: 13th Jul 2007 17:59
Quote: "I 2nd or 3rd or 4th or whatever the punch bag idea. I have a punch bag and after a few months, you not only develop a stronger punch, your wrists and knuckles become able to take the impact (for the first few months they get ruined if you hit the bag hard). You also build upper body stamina, and the whole punching action becomes second nature. You learn how to swing and make a good contact. It's great for fitness too. One of the best work outs you can have."


Yeah, combine that with playing squash 3 times a week, and you'll almost become Spartan 117. Seriously, an half an hour of squash is about as much exercise as 1 and a half hour of tennis.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 18:10
Completely off-topic, I used to play for state in Squash under 17's...
And to bring it back on topic; I stopped playing when the other kids in the state team were picking on me. I told our coach, and (surprise, surprise) he did nothing about it and laughed at me.

I still play squash occasionally now, and I'm still quite good, but it really put me off. And I really, really loved the game - it was just so much fun.

Good times turned bad thanks once again to bullying.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 18:18
I played for two seasons when i was in 6th grade. Then i grew tired of it, and quit. However i started to play occasionally too a year ago, and now i like it again.
Very sad to hear Jess. I guess they thought: "Hey, why should i trust you pill-boy. Go home pop some pills." Though, times were worse in former times. How long ago was that?

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 18:29
I was just 15 at the time, so it would have been 5 years ago now.

I did take some form of pharmaceutical drugs when I was about 12, but it didn't last for longer than about 3 months. It didn't seem to help at all, and as a side-effect it made me tired and I couldn't concentrate.
Just FYI, I was the 3rd most intelligent guy at my school at the end of Yr12 (6th Form), and all of that without being a geek or nerd. I had quite a good group of friends (who didn't bully me) and we did all the normal things teens do: Skating, going out late at night, having parties where we all explored our interest in sex, etc, etc. But it was all the other kids (I say all, but I mean a select 10 or so) that bullied me from Yr7 through to 10 (most of them dropped out of senior high - 11 & 12).

Wow, just reading over that, it really sounds like I'm trying to deny myself of what I am.
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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 18:39
Dont listen to folks who say "I would put their lights out" it's easy to say that when it's not in your face.
You say some of these guy's are your friends,then you need better friends.

My partners younger brother died at christmas after years of bullying from a certain group of youths that he had stood up to.
This was something that had carried over from school,he wouldn't report them deciding that he would deal with this himself in his own way,he challenged a couple of these guy's to a fair fight one on one,but they never took him up on his offer cause they are cowards,they always carried knives and such and were never on their own.
A couple of them stood outside his home and shouted for him to come out and fight,he went out to see what it was all about and about 7 or 8 of them,who had been hiding round the corner, set about him and he died from his injuries.
The sad thing is that none of these guy's had been directly involved in the original bullying,in fact a couple of them weren't even from the area or had even known the lad,they apparently were doing this 'favour' for their 'friend',who was sitting in a young offenders institution at the time.
I dont mean to sound melodramatic,nor am I saying this could happen to you,but you would be surprised at how things can get worse if you get embroiled in this sort of thing.
I know it's really hard and you feel trapped in this as if it will never end,but it will end eventually,if you start getting tough here yourself you may escalate things beyond anyone's control.
People are easier to kill than most folks think.
Not only is this lads family torn apart by this but the perps who did it,now awaiting trial for murder.

Sit it out and try not to let it get to you,when your at school it's hard to see that a couple of years is really such a short time,but it will eventually pass and I am certain that the bully's will one day pick on the wrong person,believe me I have seen this first hand.
Console yourself with the knowledge that you are obviously not of such a low intelligence and that one day you will be more successful,with a life worth living,lots of girlfriends and a flash car.These types are never attractive to girls,they go for nice guy's with brains,not witless dorks.
If you need to defend yourself,then needs be,but dont go looking for it.
You are not alone,everyone will experience this sort of thing throughout their lives,in one form or another,but it does get easier to handle when you are an adult.

All the best, rolfy.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 19:17
The punching bag is also good for self-esteem. If you never punched anything before, it's no wonder a kid would not even consider the idea when confronted by a jerk.

Spend a few months with the bag and you'll not only be physically ready, but mentally you'll know you can punch damn hard

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 20:25
Father Tree, heres what you gotta do.

Get a knife and stab the next person who gets in your face.

Surely, you'll be take in by the police and your parents and teachers will be furious.

But just say you had to do something to get them away.

Once your back in school after the stabbing, theres not a chance in hell anyones gonna call you anything different than your actual name.

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urm no Xenocythe! i knew i you were joking (i hope..).
Anyway thanks for all the comments people i really apreciate them.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2007 23:13
I was bullied in year 7, they were picking on me because i have a speech impediment (if only i could say that word without stuttering).

Having remembered what my Dad had told me, I waited for them to take hitting me as a usual thing, they quickly got more casual, sloppy, more vunerable to attack. Eventually one day they came to me at the usual spot after school, the first one came up to me, stood a foot away and went to punch me. I grabbed his right arm (the one halfway towards me), twisted it back and then with my right fist I punched him six times in the face, closly followed by my knee to his groin. As you can imagine, he got a nosebleed and collapsed. Out of sheer hatred I kicked him in the stomach while he was down. The others left rather hastily after they saw their freind crying on the floor. Never had any more trouble after that, infact, they now distance themselves from me and go silent when I walk past them.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 03:34 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 03:38
Ah it seems everyone beleives violence is the answer...and sadly with the state of schools it is. As someone above said learn how to defend yourself, make sure its outside of school and if they cause trouble then you have every right to defend yourself (but don't beat the living daylights out of them).
Generally fighting causes nothing but trouble (I have been beaten up by gangs of guys many times due to my big mouth and general drunken agression) however if you can distiguish between fighting and defending yourself then you will be fine.

Luckily I've never been bullied, there are always going to be idiots who don't like you but screw them who cares.

Quote: "Carry a pen around with you at all times. If they come up to you pull your pen out and hold it in a position to stab. Make sure you are holding your pen in a visable manner up near your chest. They will think twice about attacking you physically. They will realize if they attack you they will likely get stabbed.

If they do start attacking thrust for the face neck and chest area. Keep on stabbing until the person/people you are facing are no longer capable of physically attacking you then walk away from the area.

If they are only verbally assaulting you just stare at them and don't speak but don't walk away. Just wait for them to loose interest. Keep repeating this every time they come up to you.

Whatever you do. Do not attack them with the pen if they don't physically attack you first. Also do not think that it would be better to carry a knife or another sharp instrument around. Theres an excuse for there being a pen in your pocket but there is no excuse for a knife or anything else being there."

Your first snippet of advice was good....but oh my god man are you crazy! There is surely a less crazed way to handle the situation then this. Granted people won't bully you but you will also never make any friends, you'll just be known as crazy pen boy!

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 06:39
Jeez, people. Why won't the world realize.

Violence IS the answer.

I love the pen idea, its amazing.

Evil Star, great job, I love how you punched him more than two times.



Father tree, I want you to use the pen idea, or Evil Star's idea. Understand?

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Quote: "Turn your focus away from computers and work out. Lift weights. Become somewhat athletic. And don't be afraid to hit someone. You'll get in trouble once or twice, but then people won't mess with you."


oh cash dude weak, you'll give the poor kid a mental disorder raising him like that. Excercise is to be used for the sole purpose of personal health, not to gain an advantage in strength to defeat an opponent.

A lot of the replies say hit them back, this is also wrong. I remember my year 7 i got picked on a little bit by some tool, i pretty much ignored it because to let it get to me would be to validate everything they said. year 9 i also had some troubles with family relations and the nosy math teacher who could not teach, caused me to become upset at school and did give me a sissy image But crap year 10 i was out with everyone getting drunk at parties and had the ugly girls at school want to date me (to which of course i said no). And something i wont go into interrupted my standing, but only for like a day until people realized i did not care.

NOT CARING SHUTS PEOPLE UP FASTER THAN A PUNCH. There is no excuse for violence in schools, even if it is to retaliate. If it is really stressing you out, then speak to a teacher/councilor or approach your parents. There is no shame in being picked on at school as it's a regular occurance for many people.

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Quote: "NOT CARING SHUTS PEOPLE UP FASTER THAN A PUNCH"


Not really, my little brother takes 10 minutes to shut up when I ignore him, but I'm not going to punch him.

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Quote: "Excercise is to be used for the sole purpose of personal health, not to gain an advantage in strength to defeat an opponent. "

Says who? Exercise is designed to strengthen your body, and what you choose to do with yourself is up to you. I'm a competitor by nature, and I've trained rigorously in order to 'defeat an opponent' or two.

What about boxers? Martial artists? Your statement is far too broad to mean anything.

These guys have picked him as an easy target. If he doesn't change some things then it will continue to be bad. I've never been 'picked on', and the thought of allowing people to treat me badly for their own pleasure is absolutely insane.


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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 14:19
Quote: "Generally fighting causes nothing but trouble"


I agree with that. Violence should only be used to protect yourself or others, and even then an peacefull solution is better.
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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 14:39
It's all about respect and you probably need to earn some. You can gain respect without violence but if you do resort to a fight chances are you'll earn some whether you win or lose, much more if you you win of course but if odds are against you it might be better avoiding this course of action. Most bullies probably won't be as quick bug you again if you're going to put up a decent fight.

Having said that if you're not as strong or outnumbered you can still earn respect by having the right attitude, hard to explain how exactly but just always think to yourself that you deserve some respect and back it up in your speech, actions, expressions etc. over time your confidence should build and you'll gain some respect. If there are a lot of people bugging you you could adopt a divide and conquer attitude and by gaining the respect of some of them over time it should help things fizzle out.

At the end of the day you won't be around these idiots all your life, so just do your best to battle through the tough times.

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Xeno, Ty for the comments, I would personally go for the shoulder with the pen idea if anyone tries me now, (the shoulder of thier punching arm) As to prevent them from punching me too much, but:

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 15:03 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 16:35
Quote: "Not really, my little brother takes 10 minutes to shut up when I ignore him, but I'm not going to punch him."


Lol what I had meant was that you will cause mroe trouble witha punch than ignoring the comments. Parents and teachers will begin to hassle you when they find out you were involved in a fight, now instead of the kids harrasing you you will have parents asking WHY?! teachers shunning you etc. Of course you can't ignore a punch being thrown at you as easy as words, but the best way to not get hit is to not be in the way of the fist.

@cash: What you were telling him to do was to strengthen up so that he could fight. Well why don't I train myself up and go fight the American army in IRAQ because I don't agree with what they are doing? (I actually support war in iraq but thet's a diff matter so don't comment on it.) It's an issue of the reasons, violence for sake of vengeance is not acceptable. Sportsmen (ie boxers and martial artists as you mentioned) train to use violence as a matter of sport, FRIENDLY sport (despite the bad vibes that often crop up), they do not (ideally) commit violent acts with vindictiveness . To act in aggression towards a problem bears a mind unsound*.

I'd rather let them behave the way they do without retaliation, as I know that in the end I am the better man, and that while I'm out there making my millions of dollars hooking up with hot asian chicks, they are sitting in a jail cell depressed about how their life went sour. There is no punishment/torture worse than living a life of failure.


*i worded that oddly to make me sound profound. Awesome.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 16:20
Quote: "NOT CARING SHUTS PEOPLE UP FASTER THAN A PUNCH"


Didn't work for me - makes them think they can get away with it and still makes you an easy target.

I just remembered one situation that was opportunity to show that I'm not weak and would have scored points with the 'bullies', with this I'll say if you have the opportunity to gain people on your side, you may find it could help your situation better - though don't go over the top. My so-called best friend one PE lesson must have had a spike up his rear because he kept hurling abuse at me and even got violent when the teacher's back was turned - but I kept quiet and decided not to let it interfere with my sport activity - though at every opportunity he'd kick me. Quite annoying, but I was far more patient and forgiving than I am now (people told me I was way too patient, tolerant and forgiving) so I let him do it with out being vexed, of course the class witness all this, including some of my bullies - when we got to the changing rooms. they (including bullies) grabbed the guy so he wouldn't fight back, and said for his behaviour that I should hit him, meaning my bullies were sticking up for me. Of course you have a moral dilemma of 'kicking a man when he's down' - though had I hit him, as he oh-so deserved it, (not just for the lesson but previous immaturities on his behalf and those that would follow) I would have gain respect from my bullies and would have given my 'friend' something to think about meaning a possibility (or to move closer to) to end the bullying of friend and foe alike. But I didn't hit him, I thanked the guys and went to get changed. Though after that, those present did soften up on me. As your friends hit you etc. you may find such an opportunity or similar may occur and well the peaceful option did have some effect, but the violent one would work though you would have to be immoral and be the first to strike which I believe is not what you should go for, but nevertheless you may find it's the lesser of two evils.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 16:32
One thing i will say to those out there saying he should throw a punch to make them wise, if he does get into a fight and is hurt (or worse), you can all be held accountable. despite the fact that we don't know this kid we all owe a duty of care to him. And again i will say if you feel threatened or uncomfortable in your school approach your teachers or your parents and let them know what's going on. Don't put yourself in danger by confronting the bullies.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 16:40 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 16:41
One of the best ways to learn is through visual learning. Enjoy this link on how to take care of the bully.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 16:46
Quote: "Violence IS the answer."


You go tell that to Ghandi.

@Torrey: that was one killer punch!

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 17:13 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 17:21
Ghandi rocks!!! Did beat the entire brittish empire without violence. Now THATS great work.

Never use violence, if you can solve it peacefully.

Quote: "I'd rather let them behave the way they do without retaliation, as I know that in the end I am the better man, and that while I'm out there making my millions of dollars hooking up with hot asian chicks, they are sitting in a jail cell depressed about how their life went sour. There is no punishment/torture worse than living a life of failure."


That's quite true. Most 'nerds' end up with a better life then the 'cool' guys (the bullies) in school.

Quote: "It's all about respect and you probably need to earn some."


I don't agree with that. It's the bullies that must learn to respect others, not you that have to earn their respect. You must be who you are, and if they do not respect you for it, then they can go to hell.
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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 17:18
Quote: "One thing i will say to those out there saying he should throw a punch to make them wise, if he does get into a fight and is hurt (or worse), you can all be held accountable. despite the fact that we don't know this kid we all owe a duty of care to him."


In my first advice I did say:

Quote: "Though I don't know how dangerous your bullies are, I mean if they're like the kids in gangs from south london - violence could lead to bigger problems."


However, I do admit, the danger should be emphasised more. In my experience and other people giving violent advice here have found that their bullies aren't dangerous enough in comparison to cause too much danger. Of course you should never try to fight anyone who can hurt you quite badly, luckily most bullies in the UK are weak and are only strong in groups - though I wouldn't risk it if you don't think you can sustain your physical well-being.

Wigget, why we offer violent answers, because all others have been tried and fail numerous times, parents and teachers don't help, they worsen it (detentions/punishments/talks annoy them and make them bully you more), except may parents who advised to be violent, I mean it's only right that if someone is attacking you that you defend yourself. Violence we're talking about doesn't mean kicking the crap out of people or even trying to, but if you're attacked you have every right to strike back. The old 'quiet' and 'ignoring' trick doesn't work, they don't get bored, they're picking on you because your an easy target - ignoring them only shows them that they can get away with it because you don't care that they do it and doesn't deter them - the more moral bullies will step down after a while though.

Violence is wrong, but if you want a solution to physical bullying - defending yourself makes it right and a solution. Though that said, if they can really hurt you if you stick up for yourself, there is nothing you really can do, unless you find a risk-free upper hand - which is quite unlikely (group support against one guy or being that much tougher than the guy) Of course doing at school means there's a good chance of there being a teacher around - so if you do get into a fight, they'll be there to answer it - or at least they should, but if the people in your school are dangerous and quite 'against the law' attitude - you best leave them be, because no doubt some in the country will hit a teacher if they stand in the way.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 17:21
Quote: "It's the bullies that must learn to respect others, not you that have to earn their respect. You must be who you are, and if they do not respect you for it, then they can go to hell."


I couldn't agree more if i got paid for it.....and i was. People who bully others around doesn't need or deserve respect.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 19:23
I frequently got called many obscene things at my last school that would get me banned from this forum should I repeat them. But I don't care. I would just say "and a good day to you too!" and walk off.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 19:57
The thing with high school students is that they tend to think the things that happen to them in high school will somehow effect them down the road. They don't usually matter, and a few years after you graduate, you won't even remember most of their names. And popularity in HS will get you absolutely nowhere in life, and that's an absolute fact. One of the most popular kids in my school is mowing my neighbor's lawn every Tuesday.

It might be comforting to think of it this way: if these kids get into college, they'll be picked on constantly freshman and sophmore year. If they don't get into college, well, I guess you got the last laugh anyway, when down the road they're parking your car and hoping eagerly for a decent tip, which you won't give them because you're too filthy rich to notice them (or at least that's what they'll think, when in reality, you're not tipping them because they were mean in HS).

But for immediate satisfaction, I recommend you put your fist through the back of their brains, starting in the front of course and working your way back . Some say violence doesn't solve anything... well, I beg to differ, lol. I promise that if you lay out the meanest of the people who are picking on you, the others will back off that very instant. You might get in trouble, maybe detention or (if you cause serious injury) suspension... so don't kill or mame the kid, just "wound" them. And remember that hurting a face is nothing compared to hurting an ego. Find a serious emotional flaw in your enemy... maybe their mom has a thing for the mail man, or their dad is a raging abusive alcoholic (which might be the case if they're looking to pick on someone to relieve stress). Find out what it is and say something snappy and smart about it... make them feel less than human and embarrased, and they might just attack you first. Then, voila, you won't get in trouble for knocking their lights out as it's self defense! Brilliant, aren't I?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 20:09
Quote: "they tend to think the things that happen to them in high school will somehow effect them down the road"


... That's because it does.
I would be lying if I said all the bullying and what-not didn't effect me.

Infact, it's defined 100% who I am today. And, for about 3 years there, there were many times when it all just got too much (after school had finished and I was living away at Uni too).

I hate, hate people who say that School were the best days of their life. You know why, because they were the kids that picked on people like me. They were the little bastards who were so smug with their mates that all they had to do was step infront of you and you'd be wetting yourself.

I'd be lying if all that didn't effect me, so I wont say it.
But none-the-less, it happened regardless of the way I dealt with it (both violence and patience), and it turns out that violence is a great stop-gap for a month or so.
But patients lasts once you've got the hang of it.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 20:36
I've never personally been bullied but i've seen it before, best thing to do is to make it look as though it doesnt effect you, dont give a strong reaction and perhaps give back what you recieve, and eventually they will move on. Either that or you will get your head caved in, but i think it will work.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 20:55 Edited at: 15th Jul 2007 21:34
Thinking through (as I've looked at the contradictions etc.), general violence is definitely a bad idea and wrong - though what some of my advice and other advice has been. If you're physically abused, if the person won't kick the living day-lights out of you is quite a dodgy person (as in one who'll play dirty, like using items in his vicinity to attack) then violence won't work. But stick up for yourself to the extent that you're left healthy - if your defensive attacks do provoke a fight and no doubt a couple will, in a normal situation my philosophy would be 'do what you need to avoid the fight as it's pointless' but in the situation of bullying, fight back and don't run if you lose, you haven't lost, they'll see you've got some spark in you and may think twice about attack. Verbal abuse, don't use violence at all, either don't let it bother you if at all possible or stick up for yourself verbally. [edit]
Though it's not easy to stop it from bothering you but I suppose turning the verbal abuse into whitenoise and being who you are as much as possible is a defence against it. If you're going to stick up for yourself verbally, be cool and don't show that you're annoyed and then they may realise that you're not an easy target and they may not. They may continue to use verbal abuse whilst seeing it as a free strike and others will think it doesn't effect you any more and that's its just a nuisance as opposed to anything, may go and try someone else. I suppose I was unfortunate enough to have the persistent type.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 21:10
Quote: "NOT CARING SHUTS PEOPLE UP FASTER THAN A PUNCH."


This made me laugh out loud for the first time in a long time. Thanks for the joke

Tell this to every little kid who doesn't do anything when bullied. I'm sure they'll tell you the bully stopped immediately

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 21:36
Quote: "Tell this to every little kid who doesn't do anything when bullied. I'm sure they'll tell you the bully stopped immediately"


It didn't for me, like I said it carried on for 4 years. With each physical bullying I wish I stuck up for myself and struck back. (hence I'm keen to give the right advice about helping father tree's problem)

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 22:09
Quote: "Lo u guys are nerds. Just punch whoever is bullying u in the face. Thats the way we kick ass in America"


Go away, dude.

I used to be bullied. Then I punched the kid in the face, and got in a load of trouble too. End of that story. If you're willing to deal with the consequences, show 'em who's boss.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2007 22:23 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 00:18
ya, but did u stand up for yourself in front of the teacher? if they try to give you a detention, go to the principal and get things sorted... just cause the teacher is an adult doesn't mean you can stand up for your self.

and this does NOT mean to punch your teacher! (now that would get you in a lot of trouble)

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 00:09
Quote: "Some say violence doesn't solve anything... well, I beg to differ, lol. "

Yes but that could be because you are obsessed with violence, i.e. boxing.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 01:07 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 06:05
Father tree, trust me, just use the pen idea. Learn how to fight as well. This is pretty much what everyone is saying.

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No.

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