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Xenocythe
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Xeno... I second Ben's statement... only I want to make one big change.

NO.

Violence (especially killing) is not something to be taken lightly. If you were really planning to kill someone that's pretty sickening...

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Having family in school helped me out. Most of my cousins and brother were in high school when i started.

The one time I was bullied happened when I was talking to this girl after school. I was helping her with a physics problem because we were in the same one and we had this roller coaster problem to do. So this girl's boyfriend comes up to me and shoves me up against the lockers and starts to yell in my face, "What the h*** are you talking to my girlfriend for freak!?"(insert bad accent and breath)...I was kinda like 'shik', and he just kept shoving me up against the locker. When I thought he was going to punch me, he suddenly went back then forward real fast against the lockers beside me and then was turned around and got a nice one across the nose. He feel down with a bloodied nose. I look over and my brother is smiling, and then he just walks away.

Obviously the girl went to aid her boyfriend and I ran after my brother. We didn't say anything to each other, and on the way out we ran into the principle, and my brother made small talk and then we left (my heart ponding like a drum core the entire time) Later found out that the guy didn't even say anything, said he tripped and hit the locker.

All i can say is stand up for yourself. Don't let them push your around. If it has to resort to violence, then there's no stopping it. Remember, by law if they harass you once and you say stop, and they do it again, you can get police involved. Also if they hit you twice first, you can legally defend your self. Travel in packs, and look both ways before crossing the street. Thats all the advice I have.


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Bullys are like internet trolls. Think about it, if they feel that they are worth so little that the only way that they can inflate their egos is to put someone else down, they're going to have a negative net effect on the world. That's why I try to remove them from my life, weither by switching classes or humiliating them so much they never look at me again.

They're going to get nowhere in life, as soon as you find a bully you should ban them from your life. That's why I sometimes say "People who hate me tend to dissapear."

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Quote: "Having family in school helped me out. Most of my cousins and brother were in high school when i started."


It didn't work for me, they bullied me also, lol.

And Xenocythe, i suggest you think of what you type, instead of typing what you think.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2007 03:25 Edited at: 16th Jul 2007 03:26
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Quote: "NOT CARING SHUTS PEOPLE UP FASTER THAN A PUNCH"

that is not true. well atleast not for me. it just made me an easy target tell i nailed that fool man if i saw him again i'd pop him so dang hard.

Quote: "Bullys are like internet trolls. Think about it, if they feel that they are worth so little that the only way that they can inflate their egos is to put someone else down, they're going to have a negative net effect on the world. That's why I try to remove them from my life, weither by switching classes or humiliating them so much they never look at me again.
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or they are so popular the are excerising there authority untill u say shut the **** up and punch em. i dont' know thats what i had to do.

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Father Tree has not posted for a while.

I would like if we waited until he posts again, and see if he took any of our advice and used it.


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In my opinion, if your a part of this community then it means your a smart intelligent person, and that makes you cool in my book. Except DH and xeno after that comment he made.

Xeno:
I suggest you edit those comments out...if i were a mod i would have given you a month ban...this thread is obviously not for joking around, but for serious advice.

Grandma:
Sorry to hear that. My entire family are all heart and support for the clan. Which is how family's should be, supportive, especially in situations like this.


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Quote: "In my opinion, if your a part of this community then it means your a smart intelligent person, and that makes you cool in my book."


That's true. It may not be "real life" here, but here is one place you can be accepted if you want to be. There's not judgement by the outward appearance or anything like that around here. As long as you are a kind, intelligent person it's all cool around here. No one's gonna try to peeve you off or hurt you.

Now... not saying you should be a hermit and live at these forums or anything, but we're all here for you when you need us.

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Hey, if one foolish mistake a person commits makes you think of them as 'uncool' or 'unwelcome', then we both have some to learn.

I apologized and edited those posts out, it was a small mistake that I do not intend on making again.
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I wonder is Father Tree took any of our advice, and which advice he took.


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Quote: "I wonder is Father Tree took any of our advice, and which advice he took."

I hope it wasn't yours.

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Hey, I don't give bad advice to be honest. (besides the bad joke)

Kids in my school come to me like im some sort of guidance counselor. Sometimes it help with the ladies, you know... they say I must be as good a boyfriend as I am a friend.

But sometimes I gotta act like I don't know what to do so they go to someone else

But the truth is most of the time I do know what to do. Mistakes are meant to be made, so you can learn from them.

And trust me, I've made a CRAP load of mistakes.


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Quote: "I would be lying if I said all the bullying and what-not didn't effect me."

I was aiming that more at the popular kids who dish the insulting comments. I was pretty popular in high school... an athlete, in a band, dated a cheerleader, all that. In college I was more popular than that, mostly because of my comedy radio show and the spinoff close-circuit TV show I did. That popularity hasn't gotten me diddly-squat. Heck, anyone remember in 2006 when my girlfriend and I were evicted from our apartment and almost had our car repo'd? Ugly times. But I remember kids in high school who thought the world would open up for them down the road if they were popular... I've yet to see that be the case. Those popular kids tend to live moment-by-moment and all of that popularity never gets them anywhere important later in life. Meanwhile the kid who was insulted goes on to greatness. I mean, Bill Gates? I rest my case, hehe.

Quote: "Yes but that could be because you are obsessed with violence, i.e. boxing"

Good point. But take a look at Oscar De La Hoya, he was bullied as a kid and who would try that now? Or Lennox Lewis, the English Canadian from America, lol, that guy probably got picked on tons when he was younger, but then he took that pent up anger and made millions from it. I guess the counter to my arguement would be Mike Tyson, so I'll ask nicely that no one references him, lol.

I dunno, I guess I just can't see the "keep your head low and ignore their taunts" thing working. I've never actually had to deal with this, although I've stepped up for others who would sit back and take it. There was a kid in middleschool, Dennis I think his name was. This guy was built like a cross between Evander Holyfield and Chewbacca. The problem is, he smelled like Chewbacca, and thus he was the subject of endless torment (why he didn't just shower and be done with it, who knows). Anyway, this guy could have ripped the limbs off of just about anyone at that school... but he just moped about when someone insulted him and never hit them. In High school, he was beat up by some kid, and never once did he even attempt to fight back. I just don't understand the logic there... it's an unarguable, undeniable fact that the easiest way to get someone to close their mouth is to shut it for them (whether it's right to do that, that's the debate). I dunno, the best advice I could ever give someone on this topic is "don't be Dennis." But as Benjamin pointed out, I'm an avid fan of violence (boxing, FPS games, all that), so maybe I'm just a tad bit bias on the subject.


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Quote: "Sorry to hear that. My entire family are all heart and support for the clan. Which is how family's should be, supportive, especially in situations like this."


I know and you're lucky, i've never gotten any respect from my closest family members. They're just evil i think. Can't wait to move away from them all. Even my bullies treated me better. hey, atleast they treated me like a geek, my family treets me like an idiot which is higly provocative, lol.

Now, i know i'm not an idiot, but to explain that to my family is like explaining artificial neural networks to a 4 year old. I don't think they would understand.

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Father Tree- I am surprised that I missed this thread until now. I know what I have to say means a lot to me, I am not sure if it will mean a lot to you or not.

I was teased relentlessly while growing up. Why? Well because I was different. I performed extraordinarily well in my classes from a young age, I was 6'6" by the time I was a freshman, I was CONSTANTLY the new kid on the block. You can blame any one of those 3 for my constant teasing, but I insist that they were all contributors. Being the 'smart kid' is a given, you are coined as the nerd, the brown noser, or whatever. Being the new kid on the block every 6 months is also easy to imagine. You are in a new school with completely new kids every 6 months, wanting to test your mettle, wanting to know what you are made of and where you fit. Being 6'6"... Now where does that fit in? Oh you know, oh you know, 'hey beanpole!' or ... 'Keiley get your head out of the clouds!' .. 'dont turn sidways, we cant see you!' .. crap like that.

By the 4th grade I had been suspended numerous times, at which point in my life I insisted taking martial arts and exercising vigorously. I had only once been 'beat up' and it was by a group of 3 kids, each 2,3 and 4 grades ahead of me, attempting to (albeit unsuccessfully) steal my scooter.

DO NOT GET ME WRONG. I do not feel that violence is the answer to every dispute. It is often the ONLY answer which you are left with as a youth that is being tormented. I ALWAYS expressed my displeasure to the perpetrator prior to any action, my actions ALWAYS followed their actions. I was never the one to take the first swing... EVER.

Everytime I moved to a new town, I was in a fight the very first day. I am not exagerating. When I finally settled down to where I live now, I was suspended the first day of school for a week for knocking the crap out of a kid who wanted to see what 'beanpole' had in him, suspended 30 minutes into my first day back from suspension for an additional week. And when I returned from that, it was no later than lunch that I was in a fight again. Do people not learn?

I swear my innocence to this day and I know I was in the right not egging them on or taking the first swing. It does not mean you won't get into trouble, but at least you can live with yourself for years to come.

I have lived here ever since then. No one has even attempted to question me since 8th grade. That has been 15 years now. I may have put on a few pounds of muscle since then but I am still a tall gangly computer guy. The only exception of course, being the senior who attempted to trashcan me my freshman year. hehe, but that is another story...

Edit - I suppose my point is, violence often times is the only answer. However it is not to be done with weapons, and only in self defense. Standing up for yourself now, whether you 'win' or loose will make you a stronger man.

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Quote: "I hate, hate people who say that School were the best days of their life."


again I quote the millions of dollars and hot asian chicks as opposed to the bully incarcerated who has a life worse than that of his high school days so his days really were better then.

Quote: "Tell this to every little kid who doesn't do anything when bullied."


ther eis a difference between ignoring and doing nothing. Showing that it doesn't affect you means they eventually lose interest. Taking it quietly but getting all upset over it is showing that it is getting to you and that is where they derive their entertainment. I'll also show you this quote...

Quote: "I used to be bullied. Then I punched the kid in the face, and got in a load of trouble too."

The arftermath of a fight can be more detrimental to the student than the original bullying.


I used to be a youth counselor during my later years of high school and even after, teen pregnancy and bullying were the majority of the cases. Understand that any violence in schools is unacceptable, if you believe that a child should toughen up and fight back, then you are saying that EVERY child should toughen up ready to fight when going to school. Schools ARE NOT battlegrounds, and should never be so. There are many groups out there trying to stamp out bullying, it's a hard thing to do, don't make it harder on them by teaching your kids that violence is ok. Christ how many of you are doctor who fans? you should understand that life in any case is valuable!

There are those of you out there saying that your own experiences of trying to ignore it didn't work, I understand that every case is different, and sure ignoring these bullies might not work immediately. But for the safety of everyone do not urge violent behaviour, if there is a problem speak to your parents and teachers.


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This is not the Karate Kid, there is no Mr.Miagi to help train Daniel San. I used to fight this guy all through high school, he would get picked on quite a bit, but he always had a problem with me, as if he was trying to use me as leverage or something because we used to be friends until he started to give me the creeps. I actually got left alone most of the time simply because I'd knock the crud out of this one guy, and he got off lightly because it was only me fighting him. Like it would start with him being tormented by someone, then his face would go all red and he'd try to fight me instead.
Anyhoo he had real problems, actually ended up in jail for attempted rape of an old woman.

As adults we can use hindsight and think about what we should have done, maybe even regret what we did do - but frankly if toughening up was an option then it wouldn't have to be an option. Being tough is not about how big you are, it's about how you carry yourself - it's all down to self confidence, and bullies tend to target those with low self confidence. The chances are that those doing the bullying are not actually very tough anyway - as I said before, trully tough people tend not to bully, it's the guys who feel they have something to proove that do.

Maybe working out will help your self confidence and you'll notice that people leave you alone a lot more just because of that, maybe even find a better group of friends to hang around with - violence should only ever be a last resort, because it never ends well for either party.

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Quote: "Being tough is not about how big you are, it's about how you carry yourself - it's all down to self confidence, and bullies tend to target those with low self confidence. The chances are that those doing the bullying are not actually very tough anyway - as I said before, trully tough people tend not to bully, it's the guys who feel they have something to proove that do."


That is true, all 'tough' people I've met have been pretty decent guys - though there are the odd one or two that aren't that nice. Its only weak people that seem to throw their weight around because they feel inadequate. Though those attitudes aren't universal, so confronting a guy who is tougher than you by enough to hurt you, is a bad idea - especially if they have a bad temper.

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Quote: "Get a knife and stab the next person who gets in your face."


Ahahaha! That's the lamest idea I've ever heard! Clearly he should be using a hedge strimmer, or a belt sander, or a pneumatic drill! Not a puny knife! You rookie!!!!



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Wow! Thanks for all the advice everyone . I didnt get bullied today but there was a little thing when we were in p.d in school and i got to go on any website i want and i went to see the new halo 3 trailer i heard about and then people just come up to me and go " Halo 3 Halo 3 Teleport Teleport" and that really annoys me. But after school this one kid lewis pushed me over so i waited until he wasnt looking and jumped on his back and wresteled him to the floor it was funny though because it looked like he was punching me as hard as he could but it didnt even hurt so i punched him in the stomach lightly and he left me alone.
Anyway thanks for all the comments everyone if i get more trouble i will put SOME () of them into action.

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Hehe, I bet he felt like a right tard .

Nice work.

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Nice. She got what was coming to her.

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Great job Father Tree

You did perfect, really.

Now if its a tougher kid that doesn't back off after one light punch to the stomach, you should know how to fight or else you'll get demolished.

Take martial arts, read some books, do pushups and situps daily or something.


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I think if a kid punches a bully, regardless of how hard the punch is, it will completely surprise him. Good for you

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It helps if it's a horrific assault that leave him perminently crippled though. I refer back to my pneumatic drill idea.

Good work though Father Tree. I think you got that just about right (except for the lack of the pneumatic drill, but you already knew that).


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I think for those misers out there Fallout, I'd note that you're joking and not encouraging him to do damage, though how anyone would takeh the pneumatic drill idea seriously, but I've seen things more stupid.

Congrats Father Tree, it has shown some courage and that you are not such a pushover and they will begin to see that you will defend yourself.

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Just as long as he didn't go back to school today only to be greeted by that n00b Lewis and his lackeys at the school entrance for a punishing...

Glad you stood up to 'em though.

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Good job father tree never be afraid to kick some kids Assphault

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I was bullied for a couple of years at school by a kid a year older, and much much stronger.

I eventually got the courage up to sneak up behind him and whack him on the back of the head with an iron bar. He crumpled to the ground, I turned him over, raised the bar, and told him if he ever touched me again I would kill him. I absolutely meant it, no doubt about that.

The next time he saw me he started with the names and words. But he didn't approach me. I knew I had won. That was the end of that.

If the police and school will not help you then explosive violence with weapons most certainly can. I regard my actions as entirely defensive, and proportionate.

The same guy, aged over twenty, was convicted of strangling (to unconciousness, not death) a child of 14. He was insane, and violent. Fear was the only thing that worked with him, and it worked well.

I have carried that lesson into my adult life. I have never, ever started a fight, or attacked anyone. But I would, without any doubt whatsoever, kill a man rather than be bullied by him.
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Using a weapon is a bit extreme in my opinion - though in that case I suppose one could beg to differ, but as they say extreme measures only to be used in extreme cases, but remember an iron bar can do a lot of damage, it can have a lot on your conscience if someone gets hurt and will get you in a lot of trouble - especially in England. Killing bullies isn't something I wouldn't go as far as, as you do have other choices to stop them.

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Quote: "But I would, without any doubt whatsoever, kill a man rather than be bullied by him."


get help.

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Wow, I must have missed that...

vibe runner, seriously, listen to Wiggett... Get Help.
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are you a girl jess??


haha good old times.

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Quote: "Using a weapon is a bit extreme in my opinion - though in that case I suppose one could beg to differ, but as they say extreme measures only to be used in extreme cases, but remember an iron bar can do a lot of damage, it can have a lot on your conscience if someone gets hurt and will get you in a lot of trouble - especially in England. "


In the UK alone some sixteen children every year kill themsevles due to bullying, and many more attempt it.

Compared to that (and that was certainly the situation I was in, contemplating suicide as as mechanism to end the bullying) bashing the back of his head with an iron bar was entirely appropriate and proportionate mechanism of escape. It worked.
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While I don't condone violence, especially of the degree of smashing someones head in with an iron bar, if the bullying really was that bad that a child would consider suicide, then I actually think it's justified. Most kids tease each other and don't consider the repercussions, but kids can survive that. Some kids hit other kids and don't realise how much of an effect it has on the recipient, and those are the sort of kids that need a smack to show them what it feels like. Some kids really are nasty pieces of work though and really lay into defenseless kids and wouldn't care if those kids then topped themselves. I'm up for removing them from the gene pool for good. Iron bars will do.


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Quote: "I'm up for removing them from the gene pool for good."

Me too.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 16:59
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Don't start that again, Wiggett!
Go back to knocking posts into the ground...

While bullying the point of considering suicide is very very bad, most of the time it can still be solved without resorting to that kind of extreme action.
Seek counseling, tell your parents you have tried suicide (whether or not it is true), even skip school if you have to. You can remove yourself from the situation in a number of different ways.
It is very embarrassing to talk to a shrink, etc, especially when you're that young and you're afraid of the further bullying it could cause, but if you're at that point where nothing matters but ending it, then talking to a psychologist can't make it worse, can it?
That, and I've actually found help in free help lines in the past for a number of situations - They provide quite good advice and are generally (I stress generally) very good at what they do.



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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 17:01
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Well Done mate. I bet that showed him!!
if he ever bullies you again,knock him out!. Works for me



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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 17:13
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@Jess

The sort I'm talking about are the sort that pick on lots of people, non-stop. Once you're gone, they'll just terrorise someone else. They're grow up to be someone who routinely assaults people at the weekends or after a few beers, possibly marries someone and smack them about too, or is generally a crap husband.

While it's probably mostly to do with their upbringing that they've turned out like that, they'll likely never receive the care and rehabilitation they need to become decent members of society (since our societies are rubbish at that sort of thing). I don't think it's up to us to go vigilante, but I couldn't care less if someone sorts them out.

We definitely have a culture of curing the symptoms rather than the root cause, because it's just easier.


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Posted: 19th Jul 2007 18:06
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Quote: "I don't think it's up to us to go vigilante, but I couldn't care less if someone sorts them out."


For the extreme case like that, when they're an adult and are abusing people, then, yes, I agree, if they get what they deserve, all the better. Personally, I wouldn't give it to them. I'd do all I could to get them behind bars, but I wouldn't actually do anything to them.

But, when it comes to kids bullying at school, they're still kids. You can't just kill another kid because they're a bully.
I know that there's the possibility that they could grow up to be that wife beating a-hole, but then there's also the possibility that he could grow up to be a completely normal person in society and was simply venting some teenage angst at the time.

For example, I knew a bloke, Adam, who was incredibly smart. In Yr5, they offered to take him to Yr7, then in Yr10 (where Yr12 is the minimum to get in, usually), he was offered a Uni Scholarship at some fancy place in Sydney (UTS or somesuch).
He turned it down because at the time, he was doing drugs and being a general bad-ass.
Last I heard of him, he's a laborer and is quite a good bloke now. At the time, he was one of "those", but now he's completely normal.
Unfortunately, he did waste his smarts, and could have done so much more with his life, but that's another matter.

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Quote: ""NOT CARING SHUTS PEOPLE UP FASTER THAN A PUNCH""


That has to be the most ridiculously useless saying ever!

With this whole violence thing... it all comes down to how secure your school is. If there are teachers etc. at every corner, violence is not the answer. But if there isnt that much security, Violence IS the answer, baby!

Quote: "Wow! Thanks for all the advice everyone . I didnt get bullied today but there was a little thing when we were in p.d in school and i got to go on any website i want and i went to see the new halo 3 trailer i heard about and then people just come up to me and go " Halo 3 Halo 3 Teleport Teleport" and that really annoys me. But after school this one kid lewis pushed me over so i waited until he wasnt looking and jumped on his back and wresteled him to the floor it was funny though because it looked like he was punching me as hard as he could but it didnt even hurt so i punched him in the stomach lightly and he left me alone.
Anyway thanks for all the comments everyone if i get more trouble i will put SOME () of them into action.

Thanks"


Atta boy! you need to get your face on a stamp!

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Quote: "Hate to be the party pooper but if you do punch one of them and they crack their head on the floor they could die."

If they feel like picking on you, you have to give them some of their own medicine. And honestly, this would only happen if you're fighting a 3rd grader or you are fighting upon some rock-infested mountain covered with sharp-edged rocks. Nothing of the sort has happened within 500 miles of where I live, or I'd sure know about it (I don't watch the news so if it made it there, I wouldn't know).
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Quote: "Hate to be the party pooper but if you do punch one of them and they crack their head on the floor they could die"


There's the exact same chance that when your bully punches you, you fall over, crack your head open and die. It's extremely unlikely - in year 10 I was playing football on the hard top - I accidentally tripped my friend over and he hit his head on the ground - he grazed his elbows and hurt his head a little bit (a headache) but not really any damage and he's fit an healthy. If your bully had his head cracked open - which is only going to happen in a freak circumstance, its still very unlikely he'll die, he'd be rushed off to care, at primary school, a friends little brother cracked his head open when playing - he was fine once he got seen to. So really that's a daft to say.

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Take up MMA and be ready for a bit of pain.

Better than becoming the next Virgina Tech guy.

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Quote: "Take up MMA and be ready for a bit of pain."

Manual metal arc welding?

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Your acronym skillz have weakened old friend.

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2007 18:10 Edited at: 22nd Jul 2007 18:11
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No, no, Masterful "Mayonnaise" Articulation

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Wikipedia lied?

Interesting to see you around anyway.. what brings you back?

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