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Libervurto
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Thanks.
I've hardly indented at all lately!!
We're happy for anyone to join in if they want hence the name "Community Project"

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Posted: 24th Jul 2007 22:39 Edited at: 24th Jul 2007 22:40
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yeah, lets make it muilti player! ..............the board jumps that far just to illistrate that it will go back.....................
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Quote: "@CP and Uncle Sam
I have to admit my 2D/3D is a very lazy version, and as it doesn't have vertices it probably isn't true 3D. But it was only designed to detect 3D collisions for our 2D sprites, vertices are not needed for this only the box's position and volume. The problem that I have with both your arguments is you were saying things like "That's just a bunch of lines" or "It's the same as taking a snapshot of a cube", this is not true, the cube may not be 3D but the point that it is constructed on and the calculations are.
I am however working on a fully functional 3D vector graphics object maker for the DB challenge. That will definitely be real 3D."


Im staying out of this, not to bring it back up tho.

Im here to help all i can just tell me what you need done ill do it for ya programming wise. I havnt done much with 2d right when i started with DB. I jumped right into 3d. I thought it was easyer and it looked more rewarding afterwards.


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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 06:05
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OK. Can we stop discussing Obeese's code? There's nothing wrong with it, and this is a Community Project, not a flame about 3D graphics in 2D.

Did someone say 3D scanning on my desk, or was that just an AdBot?
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 10:43 Edited at: 25th Jul 2007 10:48
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Quote: "True but...
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Quote: "Why try to re-invent the wheel?"
Why do 3D commands and get bored rather than experiment with 2D-3D if you find it fun?
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Quote: "Anything you are trying to re-create here can be easily done with a few DBP commands. "
This is DBC not DBP. Sure darkbasic classic has 3D commands too, but..."


1. He never said that this project was all about having fun, I thought it was supposed to a game he's trying to create...

2. Dark Basic Classic can handle these things just as well, and it will be that much slower if he tries to code this in DBC.


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You are wrong. I am right.
If you read my code you'll see that I am using 3D co-ordinates X, Y and Z. That is 3D! All you need to create a three dimensional environment is 3 co-ordinates. What you are saying about the functionality of my program has nothing to do with whether this is 3D or not, I simply haven't figured out the mathematics to perform all those functions yet.
I AM NOT JUST DRAWING CUBES, THE COMPUTER IS DRAWING THEM BY PERFORMING CALCULATIONS ON THE CO-ORDINATES I HAVE SUPPLIED.
Please read my code and you will see that I am telling the truth.
I can't believe that you don't understand the most basic elements of how 3D graphics are displayed.

I admit my graphics are pretty shabby and I'm using the volume of the cube instead of actual vertices (I am working on this now) so all I can draw are cuboids that form out of a point in 3D space.
I am not trying to compete with DB, I wouldn't know where to begin.
My aim for this project is to be able to make any shape object I want and view it from any angle and rotate it any angle. These are all just extensions of what I have done so far."


Hey, I'm not required to read everyone's code! All I know is, I tried it, and it is NOT 3D. It's pretty clever, but it's not 3D. You say you haven't figured out mathematics yet, and even if you claim to be able to, it still is not 3D until you ACTUALLY DO IT. Right now it is like I said: still shots. You need to be able to rotate the cube, otherwise it's just what I said: a 3D effect. I don't doubt your talent, you are obviously a skilled programmer, and I think that you can probably do this. I'm just trying to straighten you out.

Quote: "OK. Can we stop discussing Obeese's code? There's nothing wrong with it, and this is a Community Project, not a flame about 3D graphics in 2D."


I had no intention of turning this into a flame-war, I just offered backup to Crazy Programmer's statement. But when people reply with, "You are wrong. I am right."...along those lines, it is they who are turning things into a flame war.

Carry on.
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Posted: 25th Jul 2007 11:07
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Let's debate, not argue.
Quote: "1. He never said that this project was all about having fun, I thought it was supposed to a game he's trying to create...

2. Dark Basic Classic can handle these things just as well, and it will be that much slower if he tries to code this in DBC.
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1. No, I think this is just an experiment for him, am I right?
2. He may not have access to DBP, these are the DBC boards.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:18 Edited at: 26th Jul 2007 11:19
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The 3D (not 3D) was made for THIS project, it hopefully will help to detect 3D collisions for our 2D game. I think it may serve it's purpose as is, but it may be a little inaccurate.

I think I will concede in this argument as it isn't TRUE 3D, the point at which the cube is drawn is a 3D co-ordinate but there is no scaling at distance and the perspective doesn't actually work because I don't use any vertices .
But hey it looks cool, the game is fun, and it's a pretty good start.

What annoyed me is your arguments were things like "That's just a bunch of lines!" which is true for ANYTHING displayed on the screen. I did get a bit tetchy and my "You are wrong. I am right." might become my sig lol

Now back to Dark Knights!

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:23
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Please note that I am not the one who said: "That's just a bunch of lines!"
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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 11:30
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I know that lol. Can't remember what you wrote.

@All
Are either of you interested in joining the project?

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Quote: "Are either of you interested in joining the project?
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Shouldn't that be 'any' not 'either'? And yeah, why not?

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Posted: 26th Jul 2007 20:23
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All are welcome as we need as much help as posible........
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Really strange, it seems the way of programming didn't change here.
Mostly I just began to create the engine first, and then only thinking about what weapons.

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I find it easier to make everything first, otherwise I don't know what I have to do.

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Well, I always begin with flowcharts (on paper):
- One for how the game should be played
- One for the programmation of the game (or more than one)

After that I create the first engine of the game, all the time, I keep sure that it will be easy to include a subroutine or a function, without getting spaghetti codes.
Most of the time, after that, I try it with models that looks like cubes.
Then I try to get the game how I want it totally to be.
Finally only, I think about getting text, sprites, good 3D objects.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2007 20:46
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I think your way is much more professional
It's probably a great idea for this project as all our ideas have to come together, a flowchart would be good to organise all that.

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I would not say that I am professionnal, but I finished some games.
I tried it like you in the past, most of the time big projects didn't end. Making such flowcharts will save you much time. It's good to:
- see the structure of your game
- find bugs
- share the source, because other people will understand more quickly

If you consider the time you loose sometimes in these three points, you get fast the necissity of a flowchart.

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and then its easy to modularize everything too
thanks.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2007 11:21 Edited at: 28th Jul 2007 11:23
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Well, it's a nice offer. The problem with community projects though is that they tend to come to an abrupt halt at some point (usually). I'm not even sure what the project is about. A quick overview would be nice, so that I don't have to go hunting through the thread (it may have changed overtime).
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We are tweaking the story and making stuff that doesnt depend on it. The story so far (I've made a couple of changes so what do you think DD?) :
[EDIT] THE PRINCE FINDS THE KING
There is a global war between the East (evil armies of King Visgard) and West (King Theolus) of the world, both sides are equally matched until one of King Theolus' generals betrays the King, stealing the Eye of Jupiter and mortally wounding the King in the process. The Kings son and heir to the throne, Maxellan, finds his father collapsed on the floor, and with his dying words instructs the Prince to find the three most talented students from the west to retrieve the sacred object, they must be unknown to the enemy: as the Eye of Jupiter can see all. Then Theolus died before he could explain what the Eye of Jupiter was.
The three best students are gathered at the castle: the best young Knight (human), Archer (elf), and Wizard (DD decides).
Each have different strengths and weaknesses and they will have to work together to retrieve the Eye of Jupiter if the West has any chance of winning the war.

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What's that?
Eye of Jupiter?..............
Quote: "The three best students are gathered at the castle: the best young Knight (human), Archer (elf), and Wizard (DD decides)."

decides what?
of course those are our characters!
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Posted: 30th Jul 2007 02:49 Edited at: 30th Jul 2007 02:50
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You know more about the whole magic thing than me so I'm leaving the wizard/mage guy up to you.
Also DD, can you find me some good monsters and pics of them please.
Quote: "What's that?
Eye of Jupiter?.............."

I haven't really decided (probably a magical stone), I think it would be cool to start out not even knowing what they're searching for. Then they have to ask questions about it.

Do you like the story?

[EDIT]
I changed the king's name without realising lol. I think Theolus sounds better anyway.

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I had to double post as it wouldn't let me edit.

I don't like the name Visgard. How about Valgomire? Or whatever you can come up with.

I think the Eye of Jupiter should be a magical stone set in a necklace, we could have other magic stones set in other objects like weapons (keeping the roman god theme).
For Example:
The Staff of Mercury (Magic Skill)
The Spear and Shield of Mars (Skirmish Skill)
The Bow of Diana (Archery Skill)
The Trident of Neptune (Piercing Skill)
The Hammer of Vulcan (Heavy Arms Skill)
The Helm and Armour of Minerva (Armour)
This is just a vague idea, if you don't like it that's cool.


I see this as a three-part story.
* The Rise of The Two Kings (how Theolus and Valgomire became enemies and the most powerful kings in Annom)
* The Eye of Jupiter (THIS GAME: the pivotal period of the great war, which concludes in a victory for the West)
* The Skyhawk (After a long time of peace, a new enemy emerges!)

[EDIT]
I'm now thinking we should have four characters.
A courageous knight (sword, mace and spear/lance), a skilled marksman elf (bow and dagger), a powerful wizard (magic), and a strong warrior (warhammer, axe and trident)(could go for the obvious dwarf character lol).

The way I was thinking of making this was that it is single player and you switch between the character you are controlling. I don't know how to do multiplayer

DD, I will leave this up to you for a while, can you find some good monsters to put in the game (need pics) and post any additions to the story you'd like
I know I've dragged the concept out a bit but I want to get a really good story

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Posted: 30th Jul 2007 21:11 Edited at: 30th Jul 2007 21:16
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hmm....I should be able to use the scanner today......
What about King Fado? I like funny names!
..I know somthing about multiplayer over the net..........
and I think we should change the relic stolen acording to the character the player's chosen. I like the names, though.
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King Fado? No lol, sorry it makes me think of Fido
F,K,Z and V all sound pretty evil lol.
King Zargon? sounds too much like an alien lol.

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Posted: 30th Jul 2007 21:17 Edited at: 30th Jul 2007 21:20
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maybe.....
I'm having troble finding sprite sheets of the monsters I thought were good any place you think might have them?
I'll google it in the meantime.
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i didn't mean images we could use in the game, just an image will do fine

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oh....GOOGLING!(THIS MIGHT TAKE A MINITE...)
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found some stuff!! uploading.....-clinck-

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and another....

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look at these song
(1)

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(2)lol.

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Quote: "GOOGLEING!"

Incorrect. EI is not an allowable letter mixture, and therefore googleing is not allowed and is not a verb. Googling would be the correct verb, but a google is a pronaoun, this is a no-no to. You are left with: Doing what you do when you use google.

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@INH
You can be a nerd sometimes .
OK, There is no way of helping someone with English without patronising them lol .

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I love being a nerd occasionally.

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didn't see that spelling mistake.........-click-
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If it's on the internet, why are you uploading it? :S
just use the image tag to display it.

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'cause i dont pay attendion to where on the web i'm at
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Quote: "didn't see that spelling mistake.........-click- "

No no no no no! Googling is incorrect becasue google is a pronoun!

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A pronoun is a name (person, place, forget the other one)
Google is a name; names can't be verbs.
It's like saying "I dark basicked my code!"

But anyway can we stay on topic now.

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Quote: "forget the other one"

company, brand, it, he, she, him, her.

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Quote: "'cause i dont pay attendion to where on the web i'm at"

Then upload the image onto photobucket, that's what I do
Then you can display all your images in your post!

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I didn't know about that rule and it was 659 x 126!
Isn't that a little OTT? I'm gonna have to re-make it because of 65 pixels!!!
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is photobucket free?
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yep

Your sig was erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120
I didn't know about that rule and it was 659 x 126!
Isn't that a little OTT? I'm gonna have to re-make it because of 65 pixels!!!
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hmm...I'll see if it's okay with my dad first, and then i'll check it out
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nope. cant do it. dad wont let me.........
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You could just host them on a free webhost like bravenet.

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That's what photobucket is, you don't have to download anything, it's a website and its free.

Your sig was erased by a mod because it's larger than 600x120
I didn't know about that rule and it was 659 x 126!
Isn't that a little OTT? I'm gonna have to re-make it because of 65 pixels!!!
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Yeah, but he's not allowed photobucket.

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When was the last time this thread was on topic?


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have you guys actually made any progress on this game other than gathering pictures?


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