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Aaron Miller
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Yup, I'm finally getting Windows Vista. Home Premium... I don't need the extra stuff that comes with Business or Ultimate. I'm not sure when exactly I'll get it here, but I'm really happy about it.

If you are going to argue about Windows Vista sucking, PLEASE do that, because I wanna see how good of an excuse someone can give me.

But this thread is about me getting Windows Vista, and I would like to know about those who have Windows Vista and do like it (But there's another thread for that somewhere, however it turned into a Windows Vista bashing thread).


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I have Vista and XP on one machine in a dual boot. I NEVER use Vista because it kills framerate on games, and all of it's naughty little "features" end up screwing me over. Just stick with XP man.

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Considering I've just about never played games on a standard XP machine (my old computer with XP was crap), I haven't noticed any difference on frame rates. The interface is awesome; overall, Vista's pretty cool.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 00:58 Edited at: 11th Aug 2007 01:00
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Quote: "If you are going to argue about Windows Vista sucking, PLEASE do that, because I wanna see how good of an excuse someone can give me."


Vista sucks because it comes with a Vacuum cleaner extension, though unfortunately it can't suck as much as a Dyson
Innocent Minds do not click:


[Note] Before anyone uses my post as an excuse to go crazy, try to interpret my joke as the traditional definition of 'suck'.

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/me uses Seppuku Art's post to go completely crazy.

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Aaron Miller
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I plan on dualbooting just incase I feel a need to return to XP... I don't usually play games on my computer. Plus if vista is this framerate killing it just gives me a better reason to deeply optimize all my software.

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Cool.

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LOL! Good one.

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I'll join! And I'll bring cookies!



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Quote: "[Note] Before anyone uses my post as an excuse to go crazy, try to interpret my joke as the traditional definition of 'suck'."

You suck.

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That's always nice. Then again, what to expect from a cat?

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 02:32 Edited at: 11th Aug 2007 02:33
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Quote: "I have Vista and XP on one machine in a dual boot. I NEVER use Vista because it kills framerate on games, and all of it's naughty little "features" end up screwing me over. Just stick with XP man."


no way. you're totally wrong. i have XP and Vista on dual boot also and i play BF2 on highest settings on 64 player servers with no lag. you didn't do something to your machine correctly. drivers? upgrade your graphics card lately? dont blame vista.

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Quote: "no way. you're totally wrong. i have XP and Vista on dual boot also and i play BF2 on highest settings on 64 player servers with no lag. you didn't do something to your machine correctly. drivers? upgrade your graphics card lately? dont blame vista.
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jason, just because you can run a game on vista fluidly doesn't prove that vista is as fast as xp. I'll agree that you lose a few frames on a game in vista vs xp, it's not much, but on lower end hardware it's noticeable.

Try running a stress test and you should see a difference.

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Actually vista is faster as long as aero is turned off, even so on a good computer you probably wouldn't even need to bother. I don't think its fair when people who have never even tried vista bash it, they just judge it based on some random "vista sucks" website made by a some 8 year old who's brother told him not to like Microsoft.

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Quote: "jason, just because you can run a game on vista fluidly doesn't prove that vista is as fast as xp. I'll agree that you lose a few frames on a game in vista vs xp, it's not much, but on lower end hardware it's noticeable."


ya, and vista was made for newer PCs so someone shouldn't be trying to run it if there PC is over 4 years old or so.(unless its upgraded, then its harder to judge)

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i was pretty excited about getting vista on my new laptop myself, but besides the snazzy GUI features, theres nothing that good about it. It sucks up my RAM like mad, my games all run at lower settings (despite the fact that its specs pretty much match my XP rig). I seriously regret getting vista.

The laptop itself is quite nice, it has an N-series wireless card which picks up signals from mad far away.
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Quote: "If you are going to argue about Windows Vista sucking, PLEASE do that, because I wanna see how good of an excuse someone can give me."


umm vista hogs all the vital parts of your computer, making vista very... laggy as such

vista and OPENGL
vista and opengl are a big no-no, so dispose of any 3d software that dosen't use Direct x *shudder* this will make running many games a nightmare

also, i UNNSTALLED vista 4 days after I INSTALLED due to several other faults

the only things i liked were:
the new movie maker (only cause of the video effects)
dx10 (if you using anything other card than the 8800 it sucks)

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Cool.

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I agree.

@draknir_
Vista is meant for higher standard computers. I heard, though it might not be true, that you can get Vista down to using about 256 MB of RAM by using the Windows 98 theme and turning off UAC. I don't play games, but you gotta figure in drivers... I read in the FPSC forum someone updated one of their drivers and it boosted the FPSC tech demo from 1-7 FPS to an average of 22 FPS. Either way Vista is still meant to be for newer computers, and it is still being updated.

@Wrong Noodle
And the specs of your computer are?

Vista and OpenGL, do you have the latest drivers for OpenGL? Did you do any thing to try and make OpenGL faster? Surely 4 days is enough time for you to see you have to download additional drivers for OpenGL to run quickly on Vista.

Care to name the "other" faults? I mean, those must be REALLY bad for you to uninstall $100-$400 software without waiting for it to update!

As for DX10, I'll be waiting for the ATI R600. Apparently the unoptimized version clearly outperformed the 8800. I could be wrong, if I am about that I'll get a differant card. Mean time, I haven't the money for the 8800, and I've no immediate need to go into DirectX 10 development.



So, currently the only bad thing I've heard about vista is along the lines of: "I can't run my game! I never updated my drivers or even bothered so I'm just gonna uninstall it because Microsoft sucks!" Hmmm... Good enough to not get Vista? No. Considering I'm a developer, using Vista and it's apparent frame rate loss will allow me to better optimize my program! And besides, most the software people try to run on Vista wasn't intended to run on Vista... Optimizing for Vista as well might be helpfull to the app!



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I only tried the beta for it. It did look really cool, but I didn't take the time to try stuff with it before installing linux.

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Which Linux? Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Suse, Xandros, Linspire, Kubuntu, Xbununtu, Edubuntu, other?


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Quote: "Quote: "[Note] Before anyone uses my post as an excuse to go crazy, try to interpret my joke as the traditional definition of 'suck'."
You suck."


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Quote: "vista and opengl are a big no-no"


OpenGL works perfectly for me, everything i've ever made in it works at the same frame rate as it did on XP.

I dual-boot XP and Vista Home Premium, and i've got no real complaints. I've only got 512MB of RAM, and it's not slow, so I don't get why others complain about it sucking up RAM, I can still play games like America's Army with all the detail levels up high, and there's no frame rate drop.

I suppose it all comes back to what edition of Vista you're using, Ultimate needs around 2GB of RAM to really get going apparantly.


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aaron: my computer IS new, thats my point.

laptop specs:

Intel Core2Duo T7100 1.8Ghz
2GB RAM
nVidia 8600M GT
Vista Home Premium

main computer:

AMD Athlon X2 4200+
2GB RAM
nVidia 7900GTX
XP MCE

on highest settings:
Oblivion runs about 20 frames slower, and stutters like mad.
CS:S runs 25-30 frames slower
in DB Pro anti aliased text from the D3D plugin appears distorted and weird.

also the interface is sluggish, often double clicking a desktop icon takes several seconds to bring up the program. It requires frequent restarts. My XP computer, despite having tons of crap on it, responds instantly.

Furthermore, all my drivers are updated, its the first thing I do with any new computer.

i suppose the mobile DX10 graphics card is inferior, but you cant seriously claim that my computer has outdated hardware. Have fun with Vista. Sure its 'just a small frame drop and a few niggles' but its one I paid 200$ for.
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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 19:40 Edited at: 11th Aug 2007 19:43
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I couldn't suggest Vista on an old PC. It's unbearably slow, just isn't worth installing. Stick with XP.

However, if you've got a new PC, I don't see why it isn't a valid upgrade. My PC performs smoother, boot times are greatly reduced, applications start faster and it looks nicer!

I haven't noticed a drop in FPS with games, they all perform as well as they did in XP (though I haven't run any benchmarks to test this) and all of the games I have tested have worked perfectly in Vista (apart from FF7 - which could be expected - and Gothic III, which runs but leaks memory like crazy and runs painfully slow).

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I'm not sure if it's "legal" as such, but you can install Vista from the DVD without a product key, free, for 30 days. If you're not sure how your PC will perform, I'd borrow the DVD from a friend and give it a whirl. Vista can roll-back to XP after an upgrade installation if you decide it isn't for you or purchase a copy. You won't need to reinstall because you can just enter the product key and activate the existing installation.

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Posted: 22nd Aug 2007 00:22 Edited at: 22nd Aug 2007 00:44
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SWEEET!!!!! I got Windows Vista!

So far nothing is bad about it. It is pretty quick, and it appears to be better at plug and play than XP (Considering I didn't have to re-order the install CD for my internet, Vista simply picked up on it, unlike XP).

The interface looks really awsome too, pictures don't justify how pretty Vista actually looks.

I've got Vista Home Premium. An AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4GHz processor, nearly 1 GB RAM (940MB), and an ATI Radeon card, not sure which one... I think it was something like ATI Radeon 19something.

Very happy day for me today.


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Quote: "I have Vista and XP on one machine in a dual boot. I NEVER use Vista because it kills framerate on games, and all of it's naughty little "features" end up screwing me over. Just stick with XP man."


Recent updates have actually fixed this issue, that was with DXGI's GDI+ emulation.

On my RTM Driver system (GF5200) performance in games is still about 90% what XP Professional got, but still isn't enough to worry about unless the games were just about running on XP. (Like Half-Life 2 using Dx9 pipeline)

On my Radeon systems (using the latest Catalyst), I actually get better performance than on XP. This wasn't true a few months back but the drivers are finally begining to improve, atleast from ATI.

As for the "naughty" features, generally I agree actually. Aside from Aero and UAC, I actually have most of the enhancing features of Vista turned off.. as they don't really need to be on for me. They were just eating up RAM that other applications I use for development require.

I would recommend anyone using AOL, Apple or Adobe software... make sure it's software you can't live without, otherwise it takes up valueable resources that will kill performance across the board.
This said Vista has finally introduced a feature for fullscreen apps (i.e. games you run fullscreen) where the OS drops to background mode, so only apps designed to run in Vista background/hibernation mode will still be active.

So far this for me is Xbox 360 Neighbourhood, Messenger, Teamspeak and some Vista resources (like networking and anti-virus). This provides far more overall memory and processing power for actual games that seriously helps performance.

As far as games go though, Dx6/7/8 games will be hit'n'miss on if they'll work properly or even run. Dx9 there are a handful that don't run (Worms Forts for example). So keep this in mind.

One think you'll notice using Vista is quite a biggie actually.
IT DOES NOT BLUESCREEN, or rather it's extremely difficult to get it to bsod; and in-fact you're more likely to have it neatly shut down and then boot up telling you a "Error Type: BSOD" has occurred. Even that is extremely rare though.

You will notice if an app doesn't want to work though, it'll cause a "crash error" app that tries to find out why; and provide a solution.

I won't say Vista is perfect, because it does have it's fair share of problems. As far as a completely new Windows goes (NT3.5 and Win95) this is certainly fairly devoid of show-stopping issues they were... and as far as any Windows release goes it's damn stable!

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Yeah, I have Ultimate on one drive and XP Pro on another. Both work fine (although is dual core, 7800GT, 2gb effort, so even though not cutting edge anymore, it should run pretty well...).

As far as my experience goes so far it feels a lot like XP with new clothes and is more friendly. Using stuff in the past like Windows Blinds, ObjectDock, and DesktopX (widgets), makes this less of a change than it could have been. At least in the presentation.

One thing though. A couple of times when I went to install something it would sit there for upto 30 seconds or so then come up with the message about if you are sure etc. I don't mind the actual message (at least you have a better idea if anything bad is happening), but during that 30 seconds the desktop and all functionality (menu, sidebar etc) stopped working. The equivelent of the hourglass (swirly blue circle that I think is nicked from XP media center edition) keeps happening no matter what. If you click on the taskbar it comes up with the non-responding message. This happens rarely, but it is very rare that XP locks up like that on me. And not on something simple, like the initial stages of an installation. I guess it will be sorted in an update at some point.

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Quote: "One think you'll notice using Vista is quite a biggie actually.
IT DOES NOT BLUESCREEN, or rather it's extremely difficult to get it to bsod; and in-fact you're more likely to have it neatly shut down and then boot up telling you a "Error Type: BSOD" has occurred. Even that is extremely rare though."


I got my first bluescreen yesterday. I had some files that I wanted to delete but were 'still in use', so I went to log off, and then it blue screened. Made me

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Haha, don't take me seriously, something I say out of the shear hell of making the look at me in confusion.

It sounds interesting Aaron. I've been debating with myself is Vista really worth the change from XP - I've had a lot of problems with XP and kind of predicted Vista to come with them and have heard some negative feedback on it and some positive - but what do think as a clean user walking into the Vista zone? Aside from the cool effects and gadgets, what do you think of it as an OS? I'm asking because the computer I hope to purchase comes with Vista but I can downgrade to XP Pro for £40 more - so is it really worth it just yet would you say?

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Quote: "I'm asking because the computer I hope to purchase comes with Vista but I can downgrade to XP Pro for £40 more"


Ouch! You might as well buy XP pro on top of it all! 40 British pounds = 79.34 US$!

Stick with vista, you'll be happy with it, unless you play a lot of dos games... If so, just buy xp pro somewhere else, then you'll be able to have both^.^

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I too am just about to build a new pc for myself and can't decide whether to stick with XP or go for Vista. I already have a proper retail version of XP Home, so I can transfer the licence to new pc for free (you cant do that with OEM versions). You can also buy an OEM version of Vista Premium for just over £60.

So thinking of the future I am seriously considering setting up a dual boot system, using XP for main stuff as I know all my current software and work stuff works on it, and then just use Vista to play with and play DX10 games. Until SP1 comes out for Vista to fix some of the annoying bugs I can live with XP quite happily.

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Indeed, but one thing I'm worried about is the security, I've heard it's really annoying, can someone shine some light on that one? I'd hate for security to bug me too much in the middle of a game or anything like that - it was a pain with windows XP having pop ups in the middle of a game like the 'virtual memory too low one' that leaves your game paused for half an hour until you can get it back up.

Well, I suppose it won't hurt if my new comp comes with Vista, if I don't like it I can always downgrade later.

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Quote: "Indeed, but one thing I'm worried about is the security, I've heard it's really annoying, can someone shine some light on that one? I'd hate for security to bug me too much in the middle of a game or anything like that - it was a pain with windows XP having pop ups in the middle of a game like the 'virtual memory too low one' that leaves your game paused for half an hour until you can get it back up.

Well, I suppose it won't hurt if my new comp comes with Vista, if I don't like it I can always downgrade later."


I hope you don't have UAC pop up when youre in the middle of a game! I've only ever seen UAC come up with I was doing something and it required admin privs.

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No, UAC only pops up when it wants your permission to do things like install programs, change files(this is were it gets annoying because if you have a short cut or something, and you want to put on your desktop, it has to ask you), or use certain things for the first time, I'm not sure about Internet though. UAC does tend to get annoying when doing big file operations and changing a lot of stuff so I would recommend turning it off in that case.

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Quote: "No, UAC only pops up when it wants your permission to do things like install programs, change files(this is were it gets annoying because if you have a short cut or something, and you want to put on your desktop, it has to ask you), or use certain things for the first time, I'm not sure about Internet though. UAC does tend to get annoying when doing big file operations and changing a lot of stuff so I would recommend turning it off in that case."


It should ask you when installing internet plugins (like flash or java).

When transferring lots of files, it will only ask you once. If you then transfer some more, it would ask you again. Of course this is only if youre modifying protected folders, as in, programs in your "Programs"/"Windows" folders.

It'll ask you if you need to allow a program for the firewall. So the first time you try to connect to a game online you might be bothered with it, but it should only be once per game.

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I see...not too different than having a firewall that bugs you about every application connecting to the net - well it sounds okay enough to give it a shot, never know I might like it.

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Well, UAC does make me feel safer(Yet annoys the hell out of me) and it might help if a virus or something was trying to mess around with your files.

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I too noticed none of the DOS games would run, but then again, I don't really use DOS games... Perhaps if I got DOSbox (The emulation thing for DOS games), my DOS games would run. XP users were known to have DOSbox too, so I don't see the harm in trying.

The one thing that is bothering me about Vista is Dev-C++ will give a bunch of exceptions when starting up, and attempting to compile.... I assume it has something to do with the DOS compatability, but I've started using Code::Blocks because I found a need for the MSVC++ Toolkit, and Code::Blocks gives only one exception (So far).

If all else fails, I do have MSVC++ 2005 Express Edition, and there is a Vista service pack for it. Plus my code should run with MSVC++ without excessive tweaking. So I don't see any real harm to my development with Vista, plus SP1 is on the way, and I hear that improves speed.

Seppuku, my suggestion would be to just get Vista and keep it. If for nothing else then for the sake of being able to use the most up to date software and not having to buy it again when you actually need it. Besides, who doesn't like eye candy?

Also, interesting fact, and I'm stumbled at why this is so, but Vista is actually running faster than my XP computer, um, wtf? I know a bunch of you have a sluggish feeling with Vista, but for me everything is really instant! My Vista performance rating is 2.1, so.... I'm a bit confused at why it's faster than my XP, but whatever, let it be, heh heh.

The UAC is GREAT for me. See, I don't mind the popups, those give me time to think (Not about what I'm doing, though it does let me know about that as well, but to complete a thought when programming, ex: "Okay, everything is done... Compiling..." (2 seconds later) "NO WAIT! I gotta add in THIS!", so Vista helps me there). Plus, it keeps my sister nice and annoyed, and that is always a good in my book.

Also, OpenGL is running faster on my Vista than my XP, in software mode that is (No hardware acceleration, check out Basic4GL). I don't know how well it performs with hardware acceleration.



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Fair play.

Quote: "Also, interesting fact, and I'm stumbled at why this is so, but Vista is actually running faster than my XP computer, um, wtf? I know a bunch of you have a sluggish feeling with Vista, but for me everything is really instant! My Vista performance rating is 2.1, so.... I'm a bit confused at why it's faster than my XP, but whatever, let it be, heh heh."


I might be able to explain this - (If it's faster than XP on required computers, I might install the demon this one) People say Vista is a ram hog because when the look at the ram stats Vista uses like half of it, when they have 1gb ram. well when I had 256mb ram, XP used half and when I upgrade to 512mb, it used half again. When I posted on the Microsoft forums about XP performance issues someone explained to me that the OS gathers as many resources as it can whilst running for the most performance on the OS - though I've found it doesn't hog the ram as I've found when playing a game the ram seems to orientate itself...

How much truth I put there I don't know...but I think that may explain why.

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If you say your original motherboard was destroyed, you can transfer the licence (for free as well)


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Also google it and people reckon Vista OEM can be transferred but you cannot do it online. Only over the phone. But it does work apparently. Considering the stupid pricing in the UK for Vista (isn't it literally double the retail price of the US?) which is becoming the norm for IT products these days sadly (even more than it used to be) then screw em.

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Yeah I went into Staples today and saw the price of Vista Basic and though, holy eff word, £180? And £100 for the upgrade...that's freaking expensive - I'm glad mine is included within the laptop when I buy it.

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That's why people don't shop at staples I don't know about the UK, but in the US, we all (mostly) shop at newegg.com

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Staples is a rip-off... I went in there and bought a laptop with a 1 year warrenty... Charger broke 1 DAY after the warrenty expired... Couldn't even find the charger on the damn website for the manufacturer of the computer....

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WTF? That's staples fault? Seriously, stuff always breaks a day after the warranty expires!

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Really? Well true, it might not be staples fault, but still, they could have sold it for less... It costed like $800, I found the same computer for like $500 at the local computer store here, not a big company, just a little local store...


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Course it's true, and buying extended warranties don't help. You buy an extended warranty your stuff will hold out until a day after that runs out It's Murphy's law ^.^

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I won't get Vista because it's new and Microsoft hasn't fixed most of the bugs. Here's my reaction to Vista


Uhhhhhhh.... I forgot
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Lamest excuse ever. I got it because it was new, that's just how I roll.

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Yeah, for a while there IT products stopped taking the mick quite so badly as they used to in Europe. Seems like they are leaning back the other way again. ***** is all I can say...

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I dont work for Microsoft to work out bugs for free after I paid to do so
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Well as long as Vista's bugs don't stand in the way and front what I've heard from actual Vista users, they don't - even though UAC annoys some people. I have been sceptic about the bugs myself, but seeing as if Vista makes a computer geek happy, then it can't be all that bad for the bugs. But I sincerely hope they learn from their mistakes with XP - it took me ages to get it to behave and that was also after the release SP2.

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