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Squelchy Tom
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Well you may know me as the guy who spams this board with paranoid questions about pc building :/ If you look at it from a strangers view it looks kind of like this:

-me wanting to upgrade a pc
-wanting to buy a custom made pc
-Wanting to build my own

Well finally i have settled and this, if all goes well, should be my last question on the matter.

Are all these parts compatible?

-200gb harddrive

-Extra Value Gold 600W 12cm Fan Silent PSU - PFC 20+4pin
(http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=0&product_uid=119227&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&filter_display=both&filter_order=rating_desc&filter_category=&filter_string=&offset=10)

-2x512mb ram (manufacturer - crucial)

-windows vista(http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=0&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=123051)

-Q6600 intel core 2 quad
(http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=0&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=124869)

-ASUS P5K AiLifestyle Series iP35 Socket 775 eSATA 8channel Audio ATX Motherboard
(http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=0&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=129125)

-Samsung TS-H192C 48x Black CD-Rom - Bare Drive OEM
(http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/127841)

-Sony 3.5" Floppy Drive Black - OEM
(http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/74629)

-Casecom Black Mid Tower Case - Front Blue LED 120mm Fan - With Side Window (http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/74629)

- Ati radeon x1300 (Will be upgrading to a geforce 8800/9 series in the future, will that also be compatible?)

The last thing i want is a powersupply that cannot support a quad core, the components not being compatible with vista or the items not being able to fit in the case.

So, if put together correctly, should it work perfectly?


Thanks to all of you who helped me out now, and when i couldent tell a motherboard from a GPU.

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the powersupply is more than enough to cover a quad core.

The mobo will fit in the case just fine, so there's no issue there. Whats the link to the hdd and ram you chose so we can check those out?


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the idea is to start with either the cpu or motherboard, then you research what ram the motherboard likes, anything else seems trivial.

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^ that is the whole reason why i am building it myself lol :/


Dont have any info on the hdd or the ram sorry, was part of an origional custom pc but over the ages i lost the paperwork :/

*might aswell post this here: Whats the MB cache on cpu's do, for example a 2x4mb cache on the quad core. What is it for :/
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Quote: "windows vista"

Dude you do know that that's Home Basic which is like XP with worse compatibiltity. I would advise XP or Vista Home Premium.

Compare the Editions
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx?wt_svl=10033VHa1&mg_id=10033VHb1

Here's the link
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067/product_info/rb/0

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The cache is a storage system. The bigger the cache, the better the hardware can work, as it keeps frequently used data, speeding up work time.

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You may want to consider checking your mobo and case. I recently built a PC where the back of the case was too close to the mobo, making it impossible to insert PCI cards without bending the back plate and gluing. Screws would not go in due to there being a centimetre between the screwholes. This was a NForce board.


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Quote: "You may want to consider checking your mobo and case. I recently built a PC where the back of the case was too close to the mobo, making it impossible to insert PCI cards without bending the back plate and gluing. Screws would not go in due to there being a centimetre between the screwholes. This was a NForce board."


Sounds like you have a bad case The case and mobo use standard sizes (mini atx, atx, etc). Unless you see negative reviews about it, I wouldn't worry.


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I checked that the board and case are both atx, or whatever, so hopefully they are compatible =/

Quote: "Dude you do know that that's Home Basic which is like XP with worse compatibiltity. I would advise XP or Vista Home Premium.
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I was upgrading primarily for fpscx10 so i dont really have a choice :/

I just read somewhere that ATI is now AMD, will the ATIx1300 card work with the intel core + mobo? :/ eep
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Quote: "I was upgrading primarily for fpscx10 so i dont really have a choice :/"

Ok, Get Vista then!!

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Quote: "I just read somewhere that ATI is now AMD, will the ATIx1300 card work with the intel core + mobo? :/ eep"


It'll work just fine. But seriously if possible, get home premium!


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ok thanks ^__^ i read a review and it said home premium has loads more features than basic with only a £13 difference :/ but i also saw somewhere that vista premium uses up 70% of the cpu when idle due to aero or something of the sort :/

BTW what does OEM copy stand for? :/
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oem = "Original Equipment Manufacturer", for windows, it means you'll never be able to transfer your copy of vista to another computer once you've activated it.

As for aero, you'll have plenty of computing power, it'll be completely worth it, it's so much prettier on the eyes

But you can shut it off if you decide to.


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if you can afford it, get 2* gig sticks of ram, should be better with vista

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I can't give any help, I just have this funny image of you sitting on the floor holding bits of computer and trying to stick them together
SPAM!

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They told me it was just like Legos!

In all seriousness though, we'll be happy to assist you if you cant figure out putting it together. But any broken parts are not our problem


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The most annoying part of building a PC I find is wiring up the lights, switches, and USB for the case to the motherboard. It's fairly straightforward though, just take your time, it's when you get annoyed with something not fitting easily that things tend to get broken.

I have the same PSU, it is very quiet, good choice - pump up that memory though, 2gb is not too expensive these days.

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Well I am kind of going over my £350 budget, the mobo and quad were £75 and £170, then i realised i would need a new OS if i was going to get a new mobo (Lost old xp disc, but needed vista anyway so no loss) then i thourght heck why not get a new case, its only £11. But then realised bauge cd and floppy drives will look out of place :/ But i had an old external cd-rw drive so if i wanted to do any rewriting i could use that instead of buying a new cd-rw drive.

Quote: "I can't give any help, I just have this funny image of you sitting on the floor holding bits of computer and trying to stick them together
SPAM!"


It will probably be like that, but i suppose we all have to start somewhere. I learnt a bit from taking the parts out of the pc i plan on upgrading, and instead of 2x512 mb sticks i found a 1 gig stick and a 256 mb stick which suprised me but the idiot who put it together put the 256 in first probably lowering the overall "mhz" that the things run at :/ or something of the such.

But based on the experience of taking it apart, and reading loads of guides on the subject im sure it would all work out. Yeh i will probably upgrade the memory at a later date and probs get 4 gigs of "extra value ram" lol Its a shame because i dont know much about the gig thats in there apart from its a gig :s lol. That will probably be put in this machine that hasn't been updated since 2000 lol.

(Sorry for typing a dumb wall of text)

When i was choosing parts for the pc which i plan on upgrading i knew next to nothing about computers, i went by the law that "the more numbers / words the name of the thing has, the better it is" and ended up with a really bad system for £600. Now i know what all the stuff does i feel alot better when i am choosing stuff to upgrade it.

The only question i have now is will one 120mm fan in the front, and an 80mm fan in the side be enough for cooling the pc, (Not including the fans and heatsinks on the graphics card and cpu, or the fan on the psu) ?

Thanks ^__^
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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 19:46 Edited at: 17th Sep 2007 19:50
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@Tom
Sounds like you're getting there

@All
I would like to try this but only a REALLY basic computer. I'm reading a Computer Science book and it's really interesting.
Got any tips for making the cheapest computer possible? Something like a spectrum would be cool

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Has any made a computer from scratch, and I mean soldering the components in and everything? I wanna make a junk computer

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The cheapest PC I have seen was a £10 laptop on eBay.


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Quote: "Got any tips for making the cheapest computer possible? Something like a spectrum would be cool"

I have a 2.4Ghz Celoron and 256MB of Ram Macine for only a £5!

Anyway here goes
AMD X2 4000+
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20010379&rstrat=12717

ECS Geforce 6100SM-M MATX AM2 DDR2 VGA LAN Motherboard
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20009015&rstrat=13481

Savervalue MA Silver/Black Midi Tower Case with 300W PSU
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20003449&rstrat=12713

Maxtor DiamondMax 21 250GB 7200RPM 8MB IDE HDD
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20009019&rstrat=12708

GF7200GS PCI-Express 256Mb DDR2 64Bit DVI-I DX9 Graphics Card
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20016109&rstrat=12869

ValueRam 1GB 533MHz DDR2 Non-ECC CL4 DIMM
http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20003054&rstrat=1

Total:

£164.85

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The motherboard comes with a built in GeForce 6100...


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Quote: "The motherboard comes with a built in GeForce 6100..."

True, but intergrated Graphics Cards are usally awful.

However if you want to have a cheap system then reduce that and only pay £139.96. Quite Cheap but no monitor.

Add a 17 inch LCD Display
HannsG HW173A 17" Widescreen TFT

for £94.59
which works out at £234.55

There we have it. A complete system with a 17inch Display and a X2 4000+ for only £234.55!

Quite well I think!http://www.saverstore.com/productinfo/Product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=20015588&rstrat=13067

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why a 17 inch when the hw19d 19" monotor is only slightly more £110 ish

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@Cool Kid
good finds
I actually wanted to make my own motherboard and stuff but I'm guessing that would take years of studying.

Quote: "Quite Cheap but no monitor."

All you need is some wire, a microwave, a large electromagnet and some clingfilm.

That's quite a cool challenge actually, could you build a computer from computers that people have dumped at the tip?
I'd love to make one from complete crap but I think I'm being a bit silly Stealing bits from TV remotes and washing machines lol

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Quote: "That's quite a cool challenge actually, could you build a computer from computers that people have dumped at the tip?
I'd love to make one from complete crap but I think I'm being a bit silly Stealing bits from TV remotes and washing machines lol"


If you wanna steal crap and make it into something, check out robotics^.^

Computers are too advanced to be making full fledged computers out of nothing. But with robotics, you can do all the computer building you want (as robot computers are far simpler in terms of the hardware needed to make it do simple things).


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Got all the stuff yesterday, so far i have installed the motherboard, cpu and fans etc but my graphics card (ATI x1300) is about 3 mm too long to fit in, i dont know if this is a case problem or the card/mobo, the mobo says it can take an ati x16 pci-express card, and the manual for the ATI says its just that. The ATI came from a brown looking smaller slot from its origional motherboard, on the new mobo its a longish blue slot, but the card wont go forward enough into the back of the case to fit nicely into the slot, how can i solve this :S

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Hmm, can we get a pic, it's hard to tell from the description..


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sure, i tryed typing on it but the jpeg did not like it :/

1st pic: The blue slot is where the card should go
2nd pic: The card in the blue slot, however it wont slot in properly
3rd pic: The cards origional brown slot

HELP :0





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You've got what appears to be an agp card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161188

With a PCI-E graphics slot on the motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138051

They are incompatible

The correct gfx card would look like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127292


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Thanks, Atleast now i know the problem.

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Few more questions that have arisen :/

I have managed to install the quad core correctly, well atleast i think i have, i baught some thermal paste but according to the motherboard manual i do not have to use it. The manual says if you are using a lga775 intel heatsink and fan (or something of the sort) install it to the motherboard (pic of the heatsink at the top of the top pic) , if you are using a different heatsink/fan remember to apply a thermal medium.

Wouldent have worried me but someone stressed the use of thermal paste, but the motherboard manual is telling me not too. (The quad core book was pretty much useless with 2 pages of pictures and no text)

The second question is: Would windows vista 64-bit work on a 32-bit graphics card, i got 64 as i planned on upgrading to an 8800 but i was going to use a 32 bit one while i waited.

I had a problem with the ram notch being in the wrong place but a trip to pc world and a loss of £40 fixed that problem

So far so good :/
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are you using the stock heat sink? if you are it already has thermal compounded applied. do not add more thermal paste if it already has some pre applied

2: i think it will

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Quote: "Wouldent have worried me but someone stressed the use of thermal paste, but the motherboard manual is telling me not too."


Do *not* use both. Use either one or the other. If you are using intel's stock cooler, you do not need thermal paste. If you've already applied both, then you've got too much on there.

The graphics card should work just fine as long as there's an appropriate 64bit driver. Check the manufacturers website for the appropriate driver, (it'll be either from ati or nvidia, don't go to the maker of the gfx card, you want to go to the maker of the chip that's used on the card, or tell us the model you are using.


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phew, no worries there :/ I actually said to myself well thermal paste couldent hurt. But it looked like it had greyish stuff applied to the copper.

Anywho probably the FINAL issue. I have put in the ribbon cables, one for the floppy and one for the hdd, however a cable for the cd drive did not come with the thing and there is no space on the motherboard even if there was. The hdd ribbon cable has 2 ends to it both saying hdd cable. I am assuming thats for if i had 2 hard drives. Either way the cables would fit into the cd drive.. Am i missing something here or does the cd drive attatch itself to the mobo in a different way other than the power cables.

looks like this:

floppy cable: [==========]

*****************====]
Hdd cable [=====/-===] (ignore the "*'s")

-Thanks ^__^



edit: apparently the guide says theres the 34 pin cable (or whatever) for the floppy and the 40 pin (80 wire) or whatever for the hdd and disk drives, if thats the case i dont think the cable will fit into both as it will be an inch too short :0
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connect both with the 3 plug ide cable, the drives will have jumpers on the back, set the hd to master and the cd to slave

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ah i see, it was a tight fit because the hard drive was at the very bottom of the case and the cd drive was at the very top, but it would make sence if i put the hdd at the top and the cd underneath so the cables would fit snugly, am i right by puting the hdd at the top, or should it definatly be at the bottom of the case? I am unsure because there are special holes in the case for harddrives down the bottom and holes for other drives at the top, and there is a 120 mm fan at the bottom and it will be cooling nothing. EDIT The hdd wont fit in the top of the case and the cable is too short, i will upload a pic in a bit as its hard to explain

Even then i am restricted as i would only be able to have 1 hard drive and one disk drive. Is it possible to buy adaptors that allow more than one hdd or a dvd re-writer in addition to the cd drive?


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It doesn't really matter where you put it as long as it fits. Any motherboard should have two IDE connectors, really, on which you can connect two drives. Take a look at this picture of my PC; while one IDE connector is up the top, by the memory, the other is down the bottom (albeit obscured by grey IDE cabling).


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i see :/ i have one floppy connector and one for the hdd cable, labled ide connector. The wire coming from that is split into two but it wont reach both the hdd and the cd drive, i will take a picture for comparison.
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I see blue, white and a black IDE-style connector on your mobo. What are these? (Check manual) You probably have two IDE connectors, for both of which you need an IDE cable, and a floppy connector.


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red squares: where i want the cables to go, (top cd drive, bottom hdd)

pink square: where the cable comes from

blue square: the cable.

Pciture 2: Clearer image of the cd drive (top) and hdd (behind ribbon cables)

The cable says "hdd" on all 3 of the end bits however someone above suggested putting the hdd as master and the cd as slave, they wont reach, the hdd looks like it takes ribbon cable, and so does the cd drive, however there is only one port for the ribbon cable. What should i do?
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The connectors you see are from an old mobo, the one i am using is in the other 2 pics, its an asus however i only see 2 ports for ribbon cabling, one for the floppy and one for the rest, which is the problem.

I have uploaded the most recent pics of the build.

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Could you use SATA instead? I see SATA connectors on the board.


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Well i have read the asus manual about the sata connectors but by the looks of my hdd i doubt it will connect, it has a space for the power, a space for the ribbon cable and a 4 pinned slot, nothing that looks like the sata cables. I will post a pic of the hdd without the cables in the way.
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Posted: 20th Sep 2007 22:32
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Posted: 20th Sep 2007 22:39 Edited at: 20th Sep 2007 22:43
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Quote: "Any motherboard should have two IDE connectors"


not any more, mine dusent, nether did most of the other ones i was considering, it dus have 6 sata conectors, one ide, one floppy.

you may haft to get a longer cable, or move the cd down

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from the pictire it looks like you need a longer cable

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Cd cant be moved down due to floppy drive, and there is only one floppy drive bay in the case so i am stuffed, i was assuming that as the cable said HDD that it would only go into the hard drive anyway.
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Posted: 20th Sep 2007 22:47
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Quote: "i was assuming that as the cable said HDD that it would only go into the hard drive anyway. "


its an ide cable, witch will work with any ide device

try pouting the hard disc in the slot just below the floppy

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Squelchy, the cable will work for any ide drive, that includes your cd drive and hard drive. As such, all you need to do is go to your local compy store and bring your cable with, and tell the guy you need a longer cable then the one you got

It should only cost a few bucks to get a longer cable. If you have the ide cable from your older computer, you can use that cable instead, if it'll fit.


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