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Van B
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Posted: 13th Jun 2003 15:12
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Soyuz,

Maybe having a hyper-critical nemesis makes these guys work harder, especially when posting work here. It's healthy to get honest, brutal, critisism - do you honestly think Raven disagrees with all the points Simple raised?

I reckon Simple has the right to critisize anything posted here, because his work is always critisized by Raven and every passer by that smells flames. Raven will no doubt critisize Simples next batch of renders, that's how it works - if you don't like it, avoid those posts.

I'm interested in why your opinion should mean so much Soyuz, I have no idea who you are - and why your getting involved in this, despite gimbling that is .


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Well ...... If I have lost any modeling work, then all I can say is "you can't miss what you never had in the first place"

But let me say this >> Lately I've been turning some freelance modeling jobs down due to having too many on the go + my own stuff.

And let me clear something up for you .... I've never claimed to be a pro ...... but the freelance work is very nice thank you !

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Posted: 13th Jun 2003 15:18
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-Raven will no doubt critisize Simples next batch of renders, that's how it works

You're right...Now let's just wait and see if he'll go hunt Simple's worst WIP models and post a thread in his name...

Or stay quiet in the name of maturity.

Soyuz:I thought you knew it's no use trying?This will go on obviously because there is conflict of interest.


Both working to sell models in the SAME place and getting along,would that make sense?

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Ok well Simple I see obviously as you are so busy you might as well ignore what I say and carry on the flame war - which is obviously such a mature attitude.

You're right Actarus. I'll butt out of it now.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2003 15:34
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Yeah Act, but when was the last time Raven posted anything here for us to critisize?


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I agree this has been a long time.

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But modelling is not the only venture that Raven supports. If I'm not mistaken, has he spent time doing things for DBS like the vertex shaders stuff and persuing other realms of graphics work. That's probably why you haven't seen much from him. That's only an observation mind you

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Soyuz if you want a site to actually put people here to shame maybe you should've post my mate site here ->
Bobo the Seal

I doubt that ThinkTank people could even come close to this guy, and if you believe they work as individuals within a company then you've got a screw look mate ... with a decent skinner then what i've produced would look one hell of alot better.

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WOW!! <Eye candy>

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BOBO FREAKIN' ROCKS...

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1. Hey, why dun we make a competition between these 2 guys and judge..
2. I think u 2 need to chill out and stop flaming at each..
3. Hey ur model is cool!
4. Hey ur model sucks!
5. Lets change topic..

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Posted: 14th Jun 2003 07:04 Edited at: 14th Jun 2003 07:16
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Personally, no model contest or anything else will break these two up.

For the record, Raven did admit that those textures suck. However, I take the stance is you don't have anything nice or constutive don't say anything at all. I've seen a few models posted here that even I (still new to modeling) could do better, but I say nothing. Why? What's the point in bothering someone else just to boost your own ego? I'd rather have low self esteam the rest of my life than flame someone else just to make myself feel better.

Personally I find both Simple's and Raven's child like manner amazing. The moment I saw Simple's new banner I though "this guy is how old?" and the fact Raven has a hard time remembering how old he is (literally, he's stated about three differant ages for himself) is a bit anyoing. Professional nothing, I act more profesional than ether of these two. I'm sick and tried of this foolish rivalery, it goes to far. Every month a post or two is locked be cause of these guys, most are decent questions asked by those need help. Put a cap on your ego's guys.

Now I'm sure someone is going say "stop stiring things up" or something similar (Mouse seams to be most likely this month), but I could care less. I've defended these two long enough, I always felt like I gotta stick up for one of these two when the whole forum is against them, well enough is enough. You two better be thankful Rich is as easy going as he is because anywhere else this kinda crap would have been stopped a long time ago. If you two wanna wave your dicks at each other from across the void of the internet, do it somewhere else, we are sick of it.

P.S. Don't think to much of this post, I just got off doing a 8 hr work day on 2 hrs of sleep, so I'm a bit cranky.

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Bravo Bravo...Dare I say encore?

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must stop myself from flaming...

Simple I'm not claiming you are bad at modeling or Raven is bad. I dont want to go to Ravens forum, the waiting system really annoys me.

Simple you're probably right about Ravens artwork but why not continue that competition that The BigBabou suggested to prove that you are better than Raven? This situation reminds me of when I was much younger...

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I will not reply, an opponent knows when I have lost. heh, I should not go against intermediate users...

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...and continue with ur 8 weeks project eh?

lol! just kidding kfoong!

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ha ha damn does this ever end you guys got me sitting here laughing
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*anger starts to bubble*

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look you wanna know something... atleast i've never gone against what someone has posted up.

This model was never made to be C&C'd it wasn't made to show off my modelling skills and it didn't even have my full attention making it, i just did it because one of the forums users asked for it and i decided to do it.

When i've critiquéd others models i've ONLY done it in the posts where they're basically put up "HEY LOOKIT ME, I'VE STRUNG 2 POLYGONS TOGETHER! NOW TELL ME I'M THE BEST" ... and the recent post where Simple went off his head at people who didn't have anything but praise for the work he's done and bollocks to him being amicable to them because he wasn't.

He is always rude, abrasive and believe there is more to him than what i just on the surface, you want to bring up how "childish" this is ... a post made like this without my permission and to have such comments from people who probably don't even have a clue what Simple is on about obviously just agreeing because Simple is Simple which just gives him justification to act more like his does.

I'm sick to the fuckin' back teeth of everyone tarnishing me with the same fuckin' brush as Simple - just got the hell back and look at the post that have been fuckin' made between the two of us ... not in the freaking mood to put up with anymore of this "Oh Raven is flaming Simple again" bull because just look at where the flames start, and you may thing that perhaps it is an unpro venture to take but quite frankly I HATE SIMPLE there ain't no way to get around that and i'm not going to be amicable towards someone who acts in that mannor, perhaps if you had as many people acting like that towards you, you might not have the guall to sit there on high and act like your some goodie toe shoes about how old you are because i can pull up posts from ALL of you who have said "how childish is this" that would prove you're all fuckin' hypocrites - so you can either back off or you can learn first hand what the hell the REAL heat from the kitchen is like because i'm sick and tire of all of the bull where ya'll just follow the same patterns and people.

I assume ya'll have brains and your own opinions, acutally use them for once rather than thinking that your helping a situation you don't have any real control over even slight.

The most stupid person is the one who get into the cage to split up both of those Tigers ... THEY always end up dead, i hope you get my meaning and SHUT THE F**K UP for once in your pathetic teenage outcast life eh.

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There, there Raven ! . I know, I know ....... sometimes the truth can be terrbly painfull for you to swallow !

Just wash it down with a few of the other crits posted here

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Quote: "The most stupid person is the one who get into the cage to split up both of those Tigers ... THEY always end up dead, i hope you get my meaning and SHUT THE F**K UP for once in your pathetic teenage outcast life eh."


However get in the nursery with a couple of little children and it can be quite fun.
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Quote: "There, there Raven ! . I know, I know ....... sometimes the truth can be terrbly painfull for you to swallow"


i'd strongly suggest you use that big mellon of yours for once and keep the hell out of this, there's nothing but bull going around this hole damn'd.
Drives me insane how you fuckin' start something and all of a sudden i'm the more immature one ... no one even reads these fuckin' posts its just a case of "Oh Simple posted, Raven posted... well lets talk some shit outta my ass and everyone will agree with me."

Look at what the hell is written einstein, they're saying what i'm doing is exactly the same as you - i've never done anything close to this and i'm getting sick and tired of people thinkin' somehow i'm as bad as you with everything... i didn't ask for critique on my model and you didn't ask permission to start a post with my media, there's no way in hell i'd of even done the same to you.
There is something called respect which perhaps alot of you should look up sometime cause you seem to have it for noone at all it is sickening - you just wanna go on some flame rampage in someone elses name so at the end of the day they get the blame.

I've never commented on a single Simple model which wasn't opened for C&C, even then usually i've kept it calm and subtle just to put up with bullshit comments like
"Oh Raven is flaming Simple again, i think he has the mental age of a 2year old."

i mean FFS look at what i've posted within this thread and how i'm being bitched about ... this post SHOULD NEVER have even been created, yet Simple doesn't seem to be getting much bad press against him here - Christ i can't seem to count how many pure morons are here.
It's insane you know, no one ever think that any of your f**kers go too far - and £50 says that when people look back at this post it'll be ME who is blamed for the whole f**king mess in here ... because its so much easier to blame me than actually blame yourself for the shit stirred up.

ya'll think i'm pissed about the comments about my work just look at my first two posts, what i'm pissed about here is all the fuckin' children thinking that its big and clever to always get in the center of things that they don't understand let alone have any right to come in with their hypocritical damn'd attitudes and damn everyone except themselves who apparently can do no wrong because they're just following the trends.

wanna know whats wholesomely wrong with the world today, just look in the mirrors

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Oooow !

Feels like someone is trying to get this thread locked with all thier bad language.... well, thats one way to make it all go away and disappear into the next page I suppose.

QUOTE:
i didn't ask for critique on my model

Hmmm ! I don't ask for yours either.

And to repeat your own words >> if you didn't want C&C then you shouldn't have posted up the model on a public forum.

*What goes around - comes around*

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lol

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Quote: "and to repeat your own words >> if you didn't want C&C then you shouldn't have posted up the model on a public forum"


i never posted this in the 3D Forum... YOU DID!
i've not commented on ANY of your work which hasn't been within this forum - but i suppose that escaped your notice (moron)

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Yea, I really don't remember Raven posting any of his work on these forums for C&C.

He did post the zombie model, but that wasn't for C&C and it was for randi to look at I believe.



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What's even more pathetic is those posting here just to get the flames going on and who don't even have a clue on how to criticize or make 3D models...

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Oops, I think that might be me.And about everyone else except raven and simple.



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This whole forum is a public forum .. whether you post screens in the GD - 2D - 3D - beta proggies - programs section etc ect. so initially you posted those screens.. I wanted to add C&C, but knowing how you would respond ( I decided to start the C&C somewhere else ) and NOT in Randi's topic.

Do you think that if you post up some of your models in a different section of the forum means that no one can C&C them ?

And Yellow ...... so where have I ever posted a model on the DBpro forum and asked for C&C ?? ( especially from Raven ) I keep on telling him that I don't want his C&C ..... but he keeps on dishing it out.

Now the shoes on the other foot .... but it don't fit ( because it's too small ) !!

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Quote: "I'm not getting involved this time."


I think I've just screwed myself.

Quote: "I really don't wanna start a flame(so I won't, lol) "


doh.

Quote: "Oops, I said I wasn't getting involved.

(Stupid stupid stupid )


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I failed again

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No Simple once again you've missed the point entirely... as your always do.
The point is if you place your work within the 3D Forum then that is an offer for C&C on what your are working on, especially if it is incomplete work ... else what are you doing? you're just showing off - if you want to show off, then show it off as part of a game development (hmm kinda like i did) else expect C&C because THAT IS THE POINT OF THE 3D FORUM.
It isn't just for people to purely praise you for a good job or just as a simple gallery for accolades its for honest opinions on the work.

Whenever the work is show as part of a game then ACTUAL C&C is not warrented or requested, it is just to show people what WILL be there ... not to give them any sort of opinion on the matter.
If they feel like saying they do/don't like it, then it is upto the artist to ask about what they do/don't like about it - but if there is no request then it is just common curtosey NOT to give your opinion.

You want a good example of this i never commented on your spaceman or worm when they were within the Beta forum about Van & your game, but when you put it up here i did. Even then i wasn't even talking to you but what someone else said about it, i even got flamed for explaining to another user why you did something - but you have no concept at all about morals or what is common curtosy. Nor have you ever given a damn about the unwritten rules around a forum that everyone accepts but because they're not in black&white you don't feel bound by.

If you don't want people C&Cing your work DO NOT POST IT IN A 3D FORUM ... put it in the Beta/Finished Products forum.
WIP are always there for comments when the post is about nothing BAR them - i mean did you get kicked in the head by a horse when you were a young'en?

There is no shoe on the other foot, just face it you can't handle what was said about your model and you created this rude invasion of my trust about posting a model to tear it apart ... christ your such a spoilt brat. When i actually wanted bloody help with my Lara Model where were you? Oh yeah you didn't give a flying fudge because this isn't about honest opinions - for you this is about nothing but pure and simple revenge for what you percieve as me attacking you.

Get over yourself i don't even give enough of a damn'd about that, as i said what i'm pissed about is HOW you've done this not what you've done. Perhaps one day you'll understand though

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QUOTE:
Whenever the work is show as part of a game then ACTUAL C&C is not warrented or requested, it is just to show people what WILL be there ... not to give them any sort of opinion on the matter.
If they feel like saying they do/don't like it, then it is upto the artist to ask about what they do/don't like about it - but if there is no request then it is just common curtosey NOT to give your opinion.

Eat those words !!

QUOTE:
Nor have you ever given a damn about the unwritten rules around a forum that everyone accepts but because they're not in black&white you don't feel bound by.

I do belive those are YOUR unwritten rules ..... which quite frankly NOOOOOOOoooo !! I won't follow them.

At the end of the day Veggie >> *You talk the talk - but can't - walk the walk*

Thats what posting this C&C is all about ..... and if you don't like it, well tough really.

I post in the 3D section because it's for, erm .. 3D !

This is my last post here, as I think this thread has served it's purpose now.

But feel free to add some more of your gripes and moans etc etc.

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Yea, but Simple don't you think it is a little disrespectful to show someone's work without asking?

Just anwser yes or no.

No further comments on that question.



edit: nevermind I see this is your last post.

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ya'll see what i have to put up with?
i'd have better luck getting through to a 3year old.

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Holy giant flame war batman! You two turn every 3d model post into some damn battle of stupidity! You're both very talented people who should be proud of your work. Why fight about it??? I would be very pleased if I could make a model like that, it's not perfect, but zombies live in the dark realms of the program in ambient light 10 and thick black fog, so why make them detailed???

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Simple stop provoking raven, and raven stop provoking simple

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Well I will say this:

First.

Raven is correct on the C&C issue. He did NOT post his model for this nor did he request it. The model was only for Randi and he was only helping her out.

Second.

If it is true (and I dont know as I have not been here long enough to know) that Raven proclaims himself to be "Professional" then in retrospect he should understand that he cannot post anything without it being looked at in light of his "professionalism".
So there will always be some form of critique of any work he does because he has set a standard and his work will be viewed and expected to be of that professional quality.......Regardless if he did it for a bit of help for a member or not.

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Simple should not have ripped his work apart just out of spite or to try and get "one-up" on him. If you are going to critique work then do it right or not at all.

Lastly.

This is an open forum, and children will view these posts. I would ask that if you are both going to pull each other apart you do it with a little consideration for the younger members, and less of the "F@%&*" words.

It is a shame that you both act like this as you both have talent and are good at what you do.

Ta at for now
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Act III: Our bold hero Wee Willy Wiggles and his dastardly arch-nemesis Dr. Otto von Liddleweenie go at it again.

Will the wrath of Rich descend onto this thread as a fiery fist of righteous smiting, or will stalemate continue?

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Are you interested in modeling?

Would you like to see a modeling site?

Well your in luck, because Yellow has launched his modeling site, as of [6-13-03].
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Here you will find a

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Brent_Seraphim
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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 07:04
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Come on you guyz are stealing my thunder...people go post about my free model in this forum and stop arguing!!!!

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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 07:07
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I already got it

(IT'S MINE,MINE, MY PRECISE!)

oh, sorry it's 11:07 over here.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 12:03
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Quote, Raven:

''lmao ... aww Simple seems to be smug with himself, be interesting to see the comments others make about this.''

Raven's very first post on this topic, why are peoples comments no longer welcome?


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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 13:46
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Because people stopped commenting on the model, they are actually just commenting on the "Simple vs Raven" thing.

Plus i'm not exactly how sure "I agree totally with Simple" = Constructive comments, i mean if someone wants to critque the model then i'd like them to actually point out faults and know what they're actually pointing out rather than being a parrot.
There are so many people posting here just for the sake of posting rather than actually giving valid comments on the model that Simple rudely opened up to C&C.

I mean look at this bloody post, i think 4 maybe 5 out of what 95 posts are ACTUALLY about the model.
but no doubt your right and people will think i'm getting pissed over the comments being made...

funny thing is there wouldn't be a whole "Simple vs Raven" issue if they didn't sit there and feed the fuel of someone who is jealosy and very vindictive here to a point where he cannot take any comments whatso ever on his own work so he projects his failers into the community and most are too bloody stupid to understand what they're doing.

the fact that hardly anyone has commented on the model actually just justifies his whole point in bloody posting - can NO ONE else see that? It was never about actually critisiing a model, it was about just trying to get back and hurt someone with the backing of the community. Ya know i wasn't worried about the comments at first because i though this community actually has a modicome of common sense - guess sometime i can be wrong.

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Raven and Simple: discuss this on AIM/ICQ/MSN/Yahoo please...quite frankly its a waste of both of your time and your skills. I'm sure that you have much better things to be doing... Go do them! Stop letting your egos cloud your judgement and get back to doing something useful... If I were sitting behind either of you in a class I would ask you to move your respective egos out of the way so that I could see the board. Invest some time and get Rich to start a new thread specifically for flaming if you want...just leave the 'ment for helping people' topics alone! Raven: you've got the right idea, just totally drop this topic and dont post any more...let simple and the rest of them keep posting, anyone who wants to follow that go right on ahead, do something useful. --Mitch

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 15:21
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Windtech are you naturally stupid or is it something you've been working towards for years?
ya know i'm going to say this in big BOLD and plain english, if anyone else posts after this and it is not a comment about the model then quite frankly your intelligence would less than than a 3yo and calling you an idiot would actually be an insult to the idiot.

COMMENT ABOUT THE SODDING MODEL ELSE DON'T COMMENT AT ALL!

What is between me and Simple is none of your businesses its between us ... and it will not be taken privately because we shouldn't have to just to please you guys, to be perfectly honest i don't give a f**k if you like it or not. Becuase this will happen regardless, no one can stop it - cept perhaps Rich ... but just look at RGT, its not as if it stops people arguing and make a little utopia like ya'll thought it would. Look at yourselfs, if no-one had commented aside from myself then this would've died - Simple would've though that it was a waste of time and ALOT of aggrovation would've been stopped right there and then.

But i suppose all of your Rocket Scientists understood that BEFORE your posted ... and by continuing to post on that subject rather than on the model you're just fully justifying the thread, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT!?!?

If its just me posting comments like this then it wouldn't matter, because Simple most likely wouldn't even read them anyways ... so no one would have a point to post.
I swear i'm surrounded by complete bloody moron.

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Pincho Paxton
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WELL BACK TO THE MODEL....

I think that the clothes hanging in mid air like stiffened cardboard is such a obvious mistake that I find it difficult to believe that a professional modeller would be involved. The texture is really bad too, but Raven says that he is not a texturer so that is OK.

NOW BACK TO THE OPINIONS!......

Simple's work compared to this Zombie is 100% better. I don't think that Simple would dare show this Zombie on any site. But it is difficult to comment on Simple's or Raven's work without some kind of radioactive fallout effect. They both think too highly of themselves.
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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 16:23
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Quote: "What is between me and Simple is none of your businesses its between us "


Have to disagree, when threads are highjacked and locked becuase of you two, it is our business. You guys needs to get over yourselfs.

And so Raven cann't compain to much, I must agree with Pincho. Not only do the colthes look odd just floating there, but is to clean of a cut. I would have made the texture look like the cloth was torn a bit more. This isn't your best work you've posted.

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actarus
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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 16:36
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Looks at Arrow's http gallery....Holds comments.

Raven's right when he says people don't have a clue about what's going on/went on.

And yes,alot of people here are just mindless following morons impressed by a few airbrush strokes which any grafitti-punk on the street can achieve and does everyday,then again,you'd have to go out sometimes to see it ...

Personally about commenting the texture itself,well it's better than what I can do and have done so far but REALLY,I haven't seen many comments on the mesh itself which is quite cleaner than much models shown around...


Either way,I'd be fuckin' pissed if someone did that with a model of mine...

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Posted: 15th Jun 2003 23:21
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well you know me act, i'm primarily a 3D Artist not a texture Artist and never pretended otherwise

as with all my work its a fairly clean mesh, and it deforms well when rigged. Textured it looks pretty good and i've hear alot of comments about the cloths and being torn but how torn they are depends on how long he's been dead doesn't it and what he's done. Sides none of the shots are of him with the Alpha Map texture with his clothes all torn up on an alpha level.

i've seen alot of comments like "his pant leg and sleeve are kinda floating there un attached that kinda unrealistic" ... and i suppose the Walking Undead are common around your town?

lol so many silly comments that really are just ment as a comment because they think it matters ... the problem with the nose, that was a valid point - the comments about the texture i can grant you it isn't exactly the same level of work Simple can achieve, but he has had 28years practise, i've been doing this for a grand total of around 18-19hrs over the past year in 3 different programs.
Perhaps given maybe a week in just one program i might end up producing better textures. But the way i look at it right now is, if it looks like what its suppose to them i've done a good job

and i wouldn't mind either Pincho or Arrow explaing exactly the problem with the shirt - i would really like to hear the actual reasoning and perhaps even what the hell you mean.

i do keep looking the model over and over and over, and i really can't understand much why somehow you believe Simple's mesh & overall look of his models are better... and more over why no-one believes that this is professional level of work.
i mean no it isn't using like 3,000 polygons of detail - but for a 900 poly model, it seems to stand up and pretty well polished piece of work to me.
Maybe i am missing something big here - but i've yet to see a comment to why exactly it doesn't

as far as i can tell everyone agrees that it doesn't look it, so i'm sure someone can explain to me exactly why.

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Huh! How do you manage to blank out comments from your mind, and alter their state to something different? You have not repeated comments in your last statement, you have changed them so that they don't seem like effective arguments.
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