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Geek Culture / My worries are over... Yeah!

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xplosys
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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 17:28
A couple of days ago, I received an e-mail from a supposed attorney based in the United Kingdom, who wanted me to help him with a rather large sum of money which he was holding for a recently deceased client. You all know the scam... claim to be a "next of kin" and I'll split the money with you. All I need is you banking information.....

This e-mail was sent to a Yahoo address I set up for my 12 year old nephew John, so he could have his own account on the TGC forums.

Anyway, I had seen before where people play along with these scams, and since this e-mail address is almost never used and no linger important, I thought I would try it too. I thought I would post our conversation so far, and get your input for possible responses to the scammer. Here is the conversation thus far:


Quote: "11:44 AM 11/24/2007

Greetings,

I am Barr. Charles Brown, a Canadian attorney based in Manchester,
United Kingdom and the personal attorney to Late Mr. Mark Michelle, a
French National. Late Mr. Mark Michelle until his untimely death was a
private oil consultant/contractor with the British Petroleum Company,
hereinafter shall be referred to as my client.

On the 3rd day of January 2004, my client and his wife along with
their three children were among the victims of Boeing 737 Egyptian
Airliner that crashed into the Red Sea. You can read more about the
crash by visiting this website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3365769.stm

Presently, the deceased has a deposit valued at
US$18,000,000.00(Eighteen Million United States Dollars) and the bank
has issued me an official notification to provide his next of kin or
beneficiary. Since I could not locate any of my late client’s
relatives for over three (3) years now, I am seeking your consent to
present you as the next of kin/beneficiary to the deceased so that the
proceeds of this account would be released to you.

I have worked out plan for achieving my aim of appointing a next of
kin as well as transferring the money abroad for us to share in the
ratio of 50% for me, 35% for you, and we shall collectively donate 10%
to any Charity organization, while 5% will be set aside for any
incurable expenses both local and international.

The money transfer paperwork will include a Certificate of origin so
that the receiving bank does not ask questions. The paperwork will
also include proper certificate that the fund being transferred is
from non-criminal sources.

The transaction is guaranteed to succeed without any problem. All I
need is your trust and confidence. Provide me with these information:

(1) Your phone and fax numbers.

(2) Your complete location address.

As soon as I hear from you, I shall provide you with further
clarifications that you may need to know.

I look forward to receiving your response.

Regards,

Barr. Charles Brown"


Quote: "REPLY 1:30 PM 11/25/2007

Dear Barr. Charles Brown, 

Thank you for your consideration and contacting me. Your proposal is very interesting and I would be willing to assist you with the transfer for the consideration of 35% as you stated.
  
As you can imagine, I am concerned about the legality of this venture and would not want to place myself, and therefore my family, in any danger. Would you please expound on the venture so that I may know the full scope and procedures before I supply you with any of my information. Please also explain why you need my full address, as I am a little worried about giving that to someone I do not know. 

I look forward to your next contact, 

John.

By the way, please excuse my ignorance. What does Barr. stand for?"


Quote: "11:16 AM 11/27/2007

Hello John,

How are you doing today? I really appreciated your efforts in reading the message. The e-mail I sent was meant for you alone. I need your cooperation in this transaction.

In reference to your question about the prefix in my name "Barr". It stands for Barrister. A name given to a Legal Practitioner here in United Kingdom and any Common Wealth Nation. It is an equivalent to "Dr.", given to Medical Practitioner.

In furtherance to answering your question, this transaction is legal and absolutely no risk attached. This is a very legal business that I am very sure of its success taking into cognizance my position as the late depositor's attorney and my wealth of experiences as an attorney. It is absolutely risk free. Do not be afraid of getting yourself into problem because I have everything under my control. All the processes we are going to follow to achieve this transfer into your account will be legal and legitimate. All that I require from you is your complete understanding, support and encouragement so that we can conclude this business without any problem.

The part I want you to play in this transaction is to provide me with the avenue, by which I would transfer the fund left by my late client in a bank here in Manchester into your account as the beneficiary.

For my proper introduction, I am a 63-year-old Canadian Attorney based in Manchester, United Kingdom. I have practiced for over three decades as an Attorney. My wife's name is Alicia and we have three children, Eric, Joshua and Sukhedo. I hope you are a business minded person, to be entrusted with such a huge sum of money, since I would not like to do this business with a joker.

Please, I need to receive an assurance from you that when this money is transferred to your account as the beneficiary of my late client that you would not run away with it. I would equally want you to tell me a little more about yourself so that I would know exactly about the person I am actually entering into a business relationship with.

I initiated this present correspondence with you through the assistance of my Chambers' secretary who I delegated because of her vast knowledge in the Internet to help me look for a trusted and business minded person who could receive a huge sum of money in trust. Though I did not divulge the full details of this business to her because of my desire to maintain the confidentiality of this business. No other person except you and me has the knowledge of this transaction or our present correspondence.

One thing is very clear with this business. Nobody will ever know that you are not the beneficiary of late Mr. Mark Michelle unless if you do not keep everything about this business as a top secret. Do not at anytime tell anybody about this business so that we
complete this transaction successfully.

We have about 60 days left to start any claim we may be making before the bank where this money was lodged. I am very sure that once we start making our presentation before the bank we can successfully claim this money within some few days. I want you to have confidence about the success of this business. I must get this money out from this bank into your account within the shortest possible time once you give me your full cooperation.

It is equally worthwhile for you to know that it does not really matter whether you are related to Late Mr. Mark Michelle or not, what that matters most is your sincerity and understanding to enable us accomplish this transaction successfully. This we can achieve through your total support and encouragement instead of having the funds confiscated by the bank where this money was lodged as they have issued me an official notification in this regards.

Let me use this opportunity once again to let you know that this transaction is going to be executed under the provisions of the British Inheritance Act and it is 100% risk free.

Please feel free to give me a phone call at all time with this number +44 702 403 1646.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Mr. Charles Brown"


Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 17:43
This guy's an idiot
he has terrible grammar and sentences like
Quote: "I hope you are a business minded person, to be entrusted with such a huge sum of money, since I would not like to do this business with a joker."

aren't very barrister-like
and why is he telling you about his children?
Even if this guy was telling the truth I wouldn't trust him

I could do better than that lol
How far are you gonna go with this?

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 18:06
Until I get bored (or you get bored) I guess. I would like to string him along for a while, just to see where the punch line is, but I don't want to loose him by saying something obvious. That's why I'm requesting your imput.

So far he has my name (not really) and he wants:

(1) Your phone and fax numbers.

(2) Your complete location address.

What can he do with this information?
Is that all he wants?
Will he keep asking for more until he gets the bank or C/C numbers?

Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 19:37 Edited at: 27th Nov 2007 19:38
Hah! Awesome! Try this:

http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/

It also gives a SSN, Mastercard (valid but unactive), ect.


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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 19:39
i wouldn't give him your real address or name... just make up a feasible one (a real street) but with a number that there is no house for (say the houses go to 1134, give him 1152 or something)

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 19:40
Hahaha! Man, this is great! I've never thought about answering any of these for fun, I must do that one day. ^^

I would've called him, if the number was in my own country, and if it was actually he that took the phone, I'd have loads of fun! xD
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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 20:11
Tell him that you want to meet with him, but you are on assignment in the Island of Malta; but if he could wait for just 2 weeks, you could meet with him in Venezuala. You never know, you might actually get him to spend money on a plane ticket.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 20:14 Edited at: 27th Nov 2007 20:14
Quote: "Hahaha! Man, this is great! I've never thought about answering any of these for fun, I must do that one day. ^^

I would've called him, if the number was in my own country, and if it was actually he that took the phone, I'd have loads of fun! xD "

It would be stupid to call him, unless you were on a payphone. If you called from your house he'd start spamming you with junk... Would he be able to trace your phone to where you are, even if you were on a pay phone?

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 20:37
Do watch out with promising stuff, BTW, never know what kind of legalities an e-mail can involve.


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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 21:25 Edited at: 27th Nov 2007 21:35
I got an email in which they supposedly died on that same airliner. You should spam the scam!

Seriously though, don't involve real street addresses. You never know how this could end up.

But this is gonna be hilarious. I must keep track of this.

You should give him fake bank details and wait for his frustrated response. Just play the innocent until he plays a stupid hand like: "Gimme the f*****g bank details!!!"

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 21:37
Now you have his email address then write a program to constantly send emails to him from random made up email addresses. You know send stuff from satan@hell.com and god@heaven.com etc. More amusingly spoof email addresses like bob.agent@cia.com and the like. Oh yeah. And make the program send 1000s of emails a minute. Goddamn...

I like that meeting somewhere foreign thing. Most funny

What gets me is that people actually believe this stuff. Sadly a lot of people do, especially the elderly. Even my dad who I have told like no tomorrow to avoid *anything* has phoned up spain about a lottery win (cannot win without playing, and as far as I know the lottery companies don't know the address of the person who bought each ticket). But seriously, in this case who would be so stupid to believe a lawyer (or whatever) would seek someone trustworthy from a random email. I mean eh? If I had a 100% idea for $18m then I would make damn sure the person I trust is my lifelong friend or something. I mean sheesh...

Cheers

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 21:43 Edited at: 27th Nov 2007 21:46
Quote: "It also gives a SSN, Mastercard (valid but unactive), ect."


He already has my name (not really) but if it come to a SSN and C/C, I'll use that. Thanks.

Quote: "i wouldn't give him your real address or name... just make up a feasible one"


That sound good.

Quote: "I would've called him"


If it comes to that, I want to have a plan together so I'm not going "Ahhh... Ummmm.... What?" LOL

Quote: "Tell him that you want to meet with him"


I don't know if this will turn into one of those scams, but I would be nice just to make him wait for me somewhere. I've heard of another guy who did this and he sent the scammers a fake itinerary . Supposedly they were waiting for him at the airport.

Quote: "I got an email in which they supposedly died on that same airliner."


Yeah, it's been going around. Linking to that story is supposed to lend credence to the scam.

So far:

Use a fake address, SSN and Address. He also wants my phone and fax number. Any suggestions on how to respond to his last e-mail without making any commitment and string him along a little further?

Best.

EDIT:

Quote: "And make the program send 1000s of emails a minute. "


Tempting as that sounds, it's a bit like swatting flies at the garbage dump, and way too much work. LOL

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 21:52
Haha, nice, this reminds me of one of those things they do on "To Catch a [Scam Artist/Predator/Whatever Else]" where they play along with these things then reveal themselves and usually arrest them in the end . I would tell you to eventually claim you are a CIA agent working undercover, but you could get in major trouble for that for "impersonating a government official" or whatever else they can get you for.


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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 21:57
I've got one. Tell him you have a friend whos in the government or something. You asked your friend to shed some financial light on the subject. Bottom line, your friend knows about it. Gauge the reaction.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 22:07
Quote: "I've got one. Tell him you have a friend whos in the government or something. You asked your friend to shed some financial light on the subject. Bottom line, your friend knows about it. Gauge the reaction."


Not sure, but I think that would pretty much sever the communications. I'd like to draw him out a little further.

I think I'll play the "trust worthy but cautious" card. I'll let him know that he can trust me, and I won't tell anyone about it, but I'm still not comfortable with it. If he could just tell me how it's going to work and exactly what I have to do, then I would feel better about it. Still, I'll not provide any information yet.

Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 22:31
Here is the response I sent:

Quote: "Mr. Charles Brown, 

First, thanks for your response. I am very interested in this opportunity and want to assure you that I hold it in the strictest confidence. I am well aware of the potential and effect that it can have on myself and my family, so you can be assured that I am willing, able and serious about seeing it through. I am a business man and have been for many years, but my business has not been as profitable as I would like, and my retirement grows near. 

That being said, I still remain somewhat hesitant, which I am sure stems from a total lack of understanding about the transaction. I am very happy to hear that it is legal and I don't need to worry about that aspect, but could you please explain to me how this is going to work?

How do we begin, what must I do, and how is the money transferred to me? 

Please don't let my hesitance lead you to think I am not serious. It is because I am truly serious that I continue to move this forward. I eagerly await your next mail and the information you'll provide, as I know that time is of the essence. 

John."


Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 22:38
Track him down and put him in jail and you could become famous!!

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 22:38
haha you'd almost feel sorry for the ****** if he wasn't trying to scam you out of money...

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Posted: 27th Nov 2007 23:35
I wanna see how this pans out... I'll keep an eye on this for a while. Scam the scammers, what a great plan!

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 00:19
Haha! That's awesome xplosys, I "eagerly await his next email" too. Wonder what he'll come up with.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 00:37 Edited at: 28th Nov 2007 00:39
I don't like this. You're basically lying to a dishonest person because they're dishonest. And what's worse is, if (as unprobable as it is) he is telling the truth, you are then lying to an honest business man! Amusing as this all may seem (and I'll admit it amused me too), we cannot be angry at these people if we are willing to use the same means they do....even if we are trying to catch the person, although in this case you're not even doing that! It's all for amusement....

Send him an apology. It will do more good than tricking him for the sake of fun.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 00:44
oooh... I loves me some scam baiting...

You can use http://www.efax.com/ to send him a valid fax number... It's free to sign up, and free to receive faxes, though you will have to pay to send a fax. You get your own unique fax number and when the scammer faxes you it arrives in your mailbox as a email attachment. To view the attachment you will have to install a small program (provided free by Efax). Double-click on the attachment to view the fax.

As for your address you can give him any fake address... they won't check it out... My preferred address to use is 29 Acacia Road (For those who don't know it's where Bananaman lives)...

When he eventually gets to the part where you have to send him money to unlock the funds you can find some fake blank Western Union deposit slips online which you can fill in yourself and lead him on a merry chase to collect money which isn't even at the bank...

Good luck and keep us informed of your progress

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 01:34
try to get him to fly to the US somewhere, then report him to the FBI and you could get him arrested

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Quote: "And what's worse is, if (as unprobable as it is) he is telling the truth, you are then lying to an honest business man!"


I have some *land off the coast of Florida that I can sell for cheap if you're interested. Call me at 1-900-555-5309.

Best.

*Land may not be useable, visible, or actual. Some restrictions apply.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 02:26 Edited at: 28th Nov 2007 02:29
I would be very careful talking with this guy, he's a criminal, you know

I would let it go right now. You just posted his entire email on a public forum, one quick google search by this guy and he has a lot of information on you all of the sudden!

Check out:

http://www.419eater.com/html/baiting.htm


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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 02:50
Thanks for the link, but I have no desire to be a "baiter" or to catch this guy. I just thought it would be fun and interesting to string him along for a while and see how long it takes him to ask for my C/C or bank account number.

I would never try to find him or his location nor would I advise others to do so. I appreciate your concern.

As for the Google search, anything is possible, but I've got a feeling that I'm not the only one he's corresponding with... in fact I'll bet there are many. Unless he is keeping all the e-mails and then waiting a week for google to cache the pages and typing in a portion of that particular e-mail.... well you know.

Anyway, there are probably already hundreds of their e-mails posted on the web, along with their fake names and e-mail addy's.

Best.

I'm sorry, my answers are limited. You must ask the right question.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 03:10
All of these responses and no one suggested posting back...

Quote: "
Dear Mr. Brown,
I am Mr. Linus Van-Pelt. I have been authorised by my client to speak on his behalf. The reason we are now responding is because after my client has passed on your details, it sent up a red-flag on the phishing ISP database.
If you could please fill in a 5NU-P34 form you should have on file at your office; and we will run a full background check. To verify that what you are offering is legitimate.

If you have any questions please forward them to either Linus.VanPelt@Shultz.com or Lucy.VanPelt@Shultz.com

We are also reachable at +73 2(688) 776 6679

Your Sincerly
Linus Van-Pelt
"


Sorry, think my sense of humour is a bit more abstract tonight
decrypt the phone number if you want to see how much

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 03:15 Edited at: 28th Nov 2007 03:15
this whole scam thing if funny. I always wondered what kind of moron would believe that crap.

Don't know if anyone else saw the Futurama movie that came out today, but it deals heavily with scammers.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 05:14
@Raven: Really nice! I think the form should be called "09042-A" or "27b/6", though. xD

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 06:54
I've got an idea! If he asks you for "transaction fees" or anything of the sort, you do the same to him, something like: "I'm sorry, but my money is in a CD, and they require a 25% charge if I take out the money before a designated time (four times per year). Please send this to me, as I do not currently have the funds to make such a large withdrawl." Table turning DELUXE!!!

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Quote: "decrypt the phone number if you want to see how much "


Nice



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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 08:23
Quote: "Tempting as that sounds"
Ok, maybe not send 1000s of emails, but spoofing a cia email would be fun. Fair enough though, if found out then could be bad for you. He is not exactly going to dob you in though...

Quote: "And what's worse is, if (as unprobable as it is) he is telling the truth, you are then lying to an honest business man!"
You are joking right? If not then this is how they get a lot of people. Totally broke and not that clued up and the "if" becomes viable. It's only my phone details (for now) sort of mentality. And whats the worst that can happen to this "honest" business man anyways? Bit peeved you were stringing him along is all. Not as if he loses thousands of pounds or gets his identity nicked or anything. Or had his nails torn off, or a car battery attached to his.... ahem, sorry scum like this wind me up rotten...

Bit of a balancing act this. You can't go for too long with questions as he will cut contact IMO. Perhaps tell him to proceed and give him totally ficticious bank details (that link above looked good). Or perhaps spoof an email from a made up lawyers firm (even better if you are willing to create a mock website and pay the small amount to register a website) saying how they will now be dealing with the transaction on your behalf. Would be most amusing. You know things like "As you are aware of article 501-B of the British inheritance law...." and seeing him agreeing to these things (google some research so close enough to reality) would be most amusing.

What would be even better is if you could somehow get his details from him. Then obviously either forward them to the police, or even better find another scam email and do the same thing again but send his details. Could go on forever with them all ripping each other off

Cheers

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 08:26 Edited at: 28th Nov 2007 08:26
Quote: "What would be even better is if you could somehow get his details from him. Then obviously either forward them to the police, or even better find another scam email and do the same thing again but send his details. Could go on forever with them all ripping each other off."

That one just made my day. I'm going through all my scam e-mails now, and doing exactly that.


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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 08:46
I like the airport idea. Make him wait for you somewhere haha


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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 11:48
Quote: "@Raven: Really nice! I think the form should be called "09042-A" or "27b/6", though. xD"


Well, aside from it spelling out something; the form actually exists although unless he's ever worked at the job centre and/or been a pregant widow, then unlikely he'll actually know of it.

@Crazy: Sorry but with a name like Charlie Brown who can resist

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 14:14
If you put some fake details on a web page, code an IP tracker in PHP, and then mail him the link you could probably get his IP address, but I doubt that does much good...

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 15:19 Edited at: 28th Nov 2007 15:26
@Raven,

Not yet but later. I want to try and keep him on the line for a while.

@ionstream,

Yeah, I'm waiting for that chance. After all, he's going to get more of it than me and he shouldn't have a problem fronting a little bit. Of course he could just say that he has already used a large portion of his to move it along?


@Dazzag,

Quote: "Perhaps tell him to proceed and give him totally ficticious bank details "


Seems like the next logical step.

Best.


Ok, here is the next mail:

Quote: "Dear John Perone,

Thank you so much for your last mail. It was nice hearing your brief introduction of who you are. I am now fully convinced that I have made a good choice by chosen you for this transaction.

At this juncture, I write to formally keep you abreast on the best approach for us to follow in order to successfully accomplished our sole objective of transferring the account balance of my late client into your bank account.

Following my deep consideration on the best approach to execute and successfully accomplish this inheritance claim of my late client, Mr. Mark Michelle, I have come up with a carefully lay down modalities on how best this target would be achieved within the stipulated time as we have limited time frame for you to be established as the beneficiary of the estates of my late client. The modalities are stated hereunder:

Prior to the time I contacted you, the bank knew I had made an unsuccessful attempts through the assistance of French embassy in London to locate any of my late client's relatives for over 3 years now but was unsuccessful. I want this assumption to remain as it is now within the minds of the top bank officials so that anyone would not suspect a foul play in this our inheritance matter when the case is formally brought to the court for hearing.

In the light of this, I am of the view that it would not be the best decision for my Chambers to be the attorney that would represent you in this matter. Our chances of you claiming the inheritance would be increased drastically if you do have a separate attorney that would be independent from my Chambers so that nobody would suspect that I am conniving with you to get a hold of this money with my position as the late depositor's attorney.

I do not want anybody to suspect even for a minute that you are not an extended relative of my late client so that we shall not take anything for granted in successfully claiming this money and transferring same into your bank account.

So my idea which I have raised in the course of my research on how best we are to prosecute this matter is this; I am now into the process of finding any of my colleagues who is a reputed attorney that would successfully represent you in this inheritance matter as your attorney but I would not like this attorney to know that I am directly involved with you in this matter.

The bank will also not know that I know you in anyway or I was the person that told you about the existence of this money in their bank. My only link during the inheritance proceedings is to reconfirm and make my recommendation to the bank and the court within my position as the late depositor's attorney when I would be asked to re-examine the claimant in the court.

It is my belief, that if you comply with this approach, we stand in a better positive position to claim this money since this case is purely an evidential case between you and the bank. What I want you to bear in mind is that at no time will you divulge, disseminate the secret of this business to anyone so that we do not jeopardise our chances of claiming this inheritance money from this bank.

Please do not for once tell even your bank about this business so that we do not risk the success of this transaction.

I would inform you about the contact details of the attorney I want his Chambers to handle this inheritance case, though for now, I have three Chambers in my mind but I will decide on the one to handle this case. I will put into consideration the law firm past records on inheritance matters before deciding and would avail you the Chambers contact information on soon so that you contact the Chambers and ask them to represent you to claim your late relative money in a bank.

I have attached a copy of my Canadian International Passport for you to have a look of the person you are doing the business with. Please I expect you to handle and keep this file solely for your viewing only. I also be expecting to receive from you a copy of your Passport or Driver's Licence, as it will serve as your identification.

Equally, I will be sending you a copy of our Partnership Trust Agreement that will legally bind us in this business. This agreement will assure each other that we shall receive what is due to us when the money is transferred to your account. After drafting the Agreement, I will send a copy to you for your review and endorsement.

I look forward to receiving your Passport copy or Driver's Licence.

Kindest regards.

Your business partner,

Charles
"


Image of his passport is attached.

Ok, Not exactly the course I expected. Now I guess I have to create a D/L or Passport under this name. LOL.

You know, for something that's supposed to be legal, we sure do have a lot of sneaking around to do.

EDIT: Notice that in every mail he tries to use big words/legal lingo, but he's terrible at it.

Best.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 15:36
It looks like he is going to first try to get you to first pay for attorney fees.
Tell him that you know a great attorney. He is a close friend and can definitely be trusted in helping make this work. Tell him that you haven't talked to him about it yet, but you would prefer that he help with this... unless of coarse there is some "better" reason to use his suggested attorney

I'd tell him that you don't currently have a passport. Maybe tell him that you recently applied for one, but the waiting times are now really long (since 9/11). Tell him that you will be happy to send him a copy of your driver's license as soon as you get your scanner fixed. It quit working a while back and you are not real sure what happened with it. You didn't really have a reason to get it fixed until now, so he is going to have to wait.


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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 16:28
Hahaha, I've gotten similar ones before... Pretty funny IMO.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 16:57
Ok, so next step is to get a fake passport and send it to him like he did to you. Hopefully Google will dig out a site that produces fake passports especially to stuff these people up. Wouldn't it be great if Interpol or somesuch organisation gives fake passports out for this sort of thing so they can be traced. I mean he gets the passport and then when tries to use it for whatever purposes he gets the police popping in to say hello.

Honestly, people like this make me mad. Off to jail please.

Still against the email attack? Would probably be the equivelent of "Now you shouldn't really do that sir" by the police if you were found out as they "accidentally" pushed the bloke down the stairs. Head first

So obvious thats not his passport though. Honestly how daft does he think we are? He is supposed to be someone in an intelligent job and he is "trusting" some random email on the internet (that happened to belong to a kid). And then he sends them his supposedly real passport? It will scare him off, but would be good to try and prod for how he thought he could trust you in the first place. Where did he hear about you? Would be fun to give him a line like "Do you know my cousin Hamish McScammurphy who works in that area of Manchester?". They would probably tell the bait a mile off, but would be epic if you could draw out a detailed story about good olde Hamish

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 17:03
Whatever you do though, when you get found out then send him an email claiming the rozzers are after him Include (as attachments) the emails you sent to places like Interpol, the British government, Manchester police etc etc, along with the replies you got from them.

I mean how hard can it be (especially from this crowd) to put together seemingly real emails. Couple of logos and some impressive text and you will be done.

Good to know exactly where he is though. Then the fake emails can be even more scarey for him. I mean he probably isn't in manchester, but to be able to put something like "Thank you sir for this information. We have actually had this person under surveilance by our Glasgow office for quite some time and we will be making our move very shortly.". If you could find out he actually is in Glasgow then that would so s**t him up

Even if you never know what happened, it would be well cool to think that he may have fled his home/town/country because of you. And no bleeding hearts over this, this type of scum rip off poor old and stupid people all the time. They deserve whatever they get.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 17:42
Good to see 419eaters.com is back

I did this a while ago, having read about it. I set up a Yahoo email account, and then posted on a couple of forums to get my address public. Within a week, I had 3 offers. I got bored after a while, there are some good baiters out there that really draw them in. It's more fun reading their transcripts.

My yahoo address, by the way, was Admiral.Akbar

The reason is called the 419 scam is because this is the Nigerian law that allows this "Advance Fee Fraud" to happen. That is what will eventually happen - you will be asked for an advance to make this transaction go through.

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@Dazzag

I can't help but believe that anything we do would have no effect whatsoever, and he would dismiss it as fast as his move on to the next name on the list. He has mailed me from two disposable addresses so far, one @yahoo.co.uk and one @excite.com. There will never be a trail to this guy (if it's a guy) and he's probably in a country that either doesn't care or even promotes this type of thing to help their economy.

If you're interested, I'll give you the e-mail address when I'm done, and you can pretend to be anyone you want. Just make sure to conceal yourself. For obvious reasons, I won't post it here.

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Quote: "I can't help but believe that anything we do would have no effect whatsoever"
I know. Nice to dream though. Hopefully this guy is barely getting by and struggles to find money to eat. But I'm betting that is almost definitely wrong. Bet he makes a good living out of it with hardly any chance of comeback. They aren't stupid. Sigh.

I remember a plan years ago where ISPs were going to start charging for every email you send. Something like 0.01p per email. The average user would then have peanuts to pay every month (esp. if they said anything less than £1 was free for example), but this type of filth would have to at least pay something, hopefully getting them to seek other scams that don't involve our emails... Not a bad idea. Never heard of it since though...

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Quote: "How are you doing today? I really appreciated your efforts in reading the message. The e-mail I sent was meant for you alone. I need your cooperation in this transaction."


How ironic, since I got one exactly the same, hehe! I particularly like the way he tries desperately to sound like he knows what half the words in his emails mean. And fails.

My own suggestion is you get a fake passport from some internet site or something (maybe just replace the name, so you don't have to go looking for someone with your pretend name). Send him an email saying your scanner is broken, like someone else suggested. Naturally, he'll cry bull**** and almost write you off. Then, almost immediately afterwards, send one that says you got the scanner working, spent quite a bit of money to get the thing working just for this project, in fact. That way, you'll be able to string it out just a little longer, and you might convince him that you've gone for the bait hook, line and sinker.

And, in any emails you send, keep putting on a sort of genial, trusting attitude. That Barr. question was good, in fact. (I didn't know what it meant either, although it seems obvious now.) It makes you sound sort of amiable, but not particularly bright. Which is EXACTLY what he wants you to be!

If somebody could trace his IP address, would that at least tell us which country he's in? Putting that in a "CIA" *cough cough* email might shake him a little. When the time for revelation comes, ie. when you figure the game's up, you can't progress further without compromising your safety/security, then you'll want the email which says "you're screwed" to hold his interest to the end. So either have it contain important, dangerous information (from his point of view, like a CIA warning) or have it start out fairly hopeful, and then subtly move downward, until eventually you reveal that you're onto him. That way, he won't just delete it: he'll read it in all its scam-burning glory.

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Here is my next reply sent to him:

Quote: "Mr. Charles Brown,

Again, thanks for your prompt reply. Your approach seems reasonable, but I have one question. My daughter has served as my personal and business attorney for some time now. I am still not sure what duties would be involved in your plan, but could she serve in some way, as that would make me feel more secure and resolve the need to find another attorney. As I say, I don't know the steps involved so it's just a suggestion, and I have not yet mentioned it to her.

I have attached a photocopy of my passport per your request and I thank you for sending yours. I does make me feel more secure. My full address is:

1027 Hope Road, Hope R.I 02885

I look forward to seeing our written agreement and await your response.

Your business partner,
John.
"


Attached is the photocopy of the passport I sent him. The picture is of no one that anybody knows. I has been altered and passed through an aging filter. The names were changed to protect the innocent. LOL

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Posted: 29th Nov 2007 00:31
Darth Kiwi,

I missed your post as I was posting myself. Some good ideas there. Thanks.

I'm not sure his IP would help, as he is using a Yahoo address, but like I said... I have no desire to catch or report this fool.

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I liked Kiwi's scanner idea though.. the whole making it seem like you invested money into the project already would string him along some more...

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Hello my friend. I am nigeeeriionnn royalttie.. please ignore the fact that i can't spell nigeeeria or Royalttie... give him my email addy! i love flaming thses peoples!
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xplosys, just a a note, you can really see evidence of it being an edited photo. especially around the nose/eye area.

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