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Geek Culture / Manhunt 2 to face court challenge

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Michael S
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 06:07 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 06:07
Quote: "A judge accepted the British Board of Film Classification's argument that the game had been approved for release on a misinterpretation of the law.

The game was banned in June but the Video Appeals Committee said the game could be classified and released.

The BBFC said that the VAC had been guilty of "a very serious misdirection of law" on the question of harm.

The judge said: "I have taken into account the high public interest in the possibility of harm to children." "


Well the simple solution is dont be a idiot and let your child play this game. Its actually that simple. Now will that work out no but if people where smart theres no reason it shouldn't.
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how in the hell could the game harm children? Also I wonder how big of a stick was shoved up that mans bum.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 08:43
If it were up to me i would ban it.

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After my review for Untitled 2, I can say that the game isn't so bad at all. I actually kinda liked it.


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I agree with the ban too.

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I would ban it, but not for the gore and violence, but for the bad texture quality rockstar always produce

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 13:03 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 13:04
jeezus, they ban manhunt 2, but continue to allow children to watch Tom and Jerry which is or was full of smoking, ultra-violence and animal deglect and cruelty!
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 14:44
The simple fact is that it shouldn't be in kids' hands. The more complex and intricate fact is that it shouldn't be in deranged peoples hands.

I could play a game like Manhunt and walk away from it unphased or at best, more respectful to true human life.

I often times argue that violent games have actually made me a more peaceful person. Nowadays (and this is so far the peak time of violent gaming) I find it hard to kill even ants running around on my patio. They aren't doing anything wrong, why should I take life? Now if a bee came and stung me, well he deserved a swat. Only way I resort to violence is in protection of others around me or self defense.

I don't agree on the ban. I just think that certain measures need to be taken to keep ultra violent games out of crazy peoples hands. Ok, nearly impossible, but bans are infringements on our rights to protect us from stupid people. I guess, would you rather be shielded from the horrors of the world, or would you rather have more rights? That's what it boils down to for me.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 16:03
I can see where they are coming from, its not meant to be in kids hands but they know it will end up there, so they have to act accordingly.

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Censorship is complete crap, if you really think your government has the right to tell you what you can and can't handle then you need to rethink your place in the world. Not just that but recent studies have shown that people aren't affected by video game violence or even movie violence. With video games the fact that you're controlling the player takes you out of the experience because you have to interact with a real world device (controller) and are not entirely focused on what's happening on the screen. I don't think the game is good or anything, nor would I ever buy it, but not because it's bloody, because it's a boring game. </rant>

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 18:04
Quote: "I would ban it, but not for the gore and violence, but for the bad texture quality rockstar always produce"


Haha that made me laugh

Quote: "Censorship is complete crap, if you really think your government has the right to tell you what you can and can't handle then you need to rethink your place in the world."


So censoring child porn is complete crap? Not *all* censorship is crap.

My take on Manhunt 2 is that it should not be banned. The retail outlets should be fined heavily for selling an M or AO game to kids, much like if they sell cigarettes, alcohol, or porn to kids. Why is it so difficult for people to see that a law to restrict kids from buying violent games is not a bad thing? People get up in arms.

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Quote: "So censoring child porn is complete crap? Not *all* censorship is crap."


Thats not censorship, thats just common sense.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 18:23
Also, games aren't as insidious as tobacco, alcohol or porn. It's not like the kid can go out back behind the school and play halo 3

It's not the government's responsibility to tell us what media is acceptable or not. Would you be up in arms if the bookstore wouldn't sell a book to a minor because it contained written violence? Yet books can be just as powerful as any game.

So where do you draw the line? Let's just censor all media to children under 17 years of age:/

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I think that there are some major issues involved if someone is picking up a violent game and then attacking others afterwards. Taking out the video games from the people(be it children, teens, adults, whatever) doesn't solve the problem, imo. I've played violent video games, read violent books, seen violent movies, and I still have a strong sense of when violence is appropriate, which isn't very often. As for keeping it out of childrens hands, that's the parents job, not the governments. I mean, cmon, part of being a parent is keeping things that your children shouldn't have, out of their hands. As a society, we seem to keep blaming companies, games, movies, whatever, except the individuals who should directly be influencing the choices that their children or others around them make.

That's just the way I see it though


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Quote: "I grew up on tom and jerry and never got around to beating the crap out of cats."


Maybe I missed the Tom & Jerry episodes that depict scenes of decapitation, extreme torture and sadism.

If you really want to compare T&J to Manhunt 2, be my guest.

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While there are scenes that could be questionable in Tom and Jerry if you took it seriously...but please...it's harmless.
It like the Three Stooges.It was funny to watch one of them break somethong over one of the others' heads but I knew in the real world that breaking something over someone's head hurts.
You'd have better luck comparing Manhunt to Itchy and Scratchy...

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:17
Quote: "If you really want to compare T&J to Manhunt 2, be my guest."


Well, Virtual X made that point, I was just running with it

Anyways, I dunno about manhunt 2, but manhunt 1 was so over the top that it was silly. I can't say I'd let my young child play it regardless, but if I had a 14 year old or something, quite frankly, by that time there's not a whole lot of media that's going to turn them into psychos. So instead I've got to go buy it for him instead of being able to give him an allowance and letting him make his own buying choices.


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:30
Quote: "Censorship is complete crap, if you really think your government has the right to tell you what you can and can't handle then you need to rethink your place in the world. Not just that but recent studies have shown that people aren't affected by video game violence or even movie violence. With video games the fact that you're controlling the player takes you out of the experience because you have to interact with a real world device (controller) and are not entirely focused on what's happening on the screen. I don't think the game is good or anything, nor would I ever buy it, but not because it's bloody, because it's a boring game. </rant>"


That is total malarky. Games and movies influence people more than anything else! Games can be good, and they can be bad influences. Manhunt is an example of one of many that need to be banned.

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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 19:33 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 19:38
Well, Tom & Jerry are literally made for children... Manhunt isn't. And while kids might play these games, whose fault is that? The parents for letting it happen, or the developers for making it? Obviously, it's the parents fault. If a kid gets into his dad's gun cabinet and blows his friend's face off, or if a youngster finds a beer in the fridge and cracks it open for a drink, do we blame the guns or the booze? No, we say the parent was negligent for allowing the child to gain access to such things.

And most kids do play violent games, and they don't run around stealing cars or shooting people... it's the mentally unstable kids who might do something like that, and if a parent doesn't know if their child is mentally unstable or not, well, they're quite frankly a terrible parent and shouldn't retain custody of a house pet, let alone a child.

All of this stems from people not playing violent games and understanding what's going on. A parent looks at their child playing games for five hours each night and doesn't understand why they're doing it. They see violence in the game and when they say "Billy, stop playing that game," their kid puts up a protest. Because they're brainwashed, you ask? No, because they're having fun. If you don't want your kid to play violent games, if you honestly believe it'll turn your child into some axe-wielding homicidal terrorist maniac (and it won't, that's a fact), then don't buy the game for your kid, and actively get involved in what your kid is doing with their free time! WOW, there's a crazy idea! Parents spending time with their kids instead of relying on the government to regulate the things the kids enjoy!

Case in point: my parents played video games with me growing up. They didn't get it at first, but guess what? Over time they actually came to enjoy games. If a parent tries to get involved with what their kid is doing, then guess what? (A) you'll spend quality time with your child doing something said child enjoys, AND, you might have a bit of fun yourself! And if more parents did stuff like this with their kids, this industry wouldn't constantly get berated by the government

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Quote: "That is total malarky. Games and movies influence people more than anything else!"

Prove it.

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Exactly, Tom and Jerry are made for kids!

When I was a kid, cartoons were not just cartoons, Tom and Jerry used to beat the s.h.i.t out of eachother, chopping each others parts off - Jerry even through Tom in a meat grinder!!

The old lady used to neglect her animals by always buggering off somewhere leaving them to fend for themselves and consequently inviting the scenes were they were always fighting, Tom was always trying to kill tweetie-pie and Jerry, guns were used by the mouse, meat cleavers were used!

come on, if they created 2 guys fighting instead of a cute cat and mouse scenerio people would have complained!!

Replace the manhunt characters with a few fluffy bunnies and Disney characters and they would not have made so much fuss!!

The game is 18 for a reason, if parents are stupid enough to let their idiot kids play it then so be it!! I don't want those idiots to ruin my sordid, sadistic fun

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You can blame the cartoons I used to watch for my love of violence!
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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 20:32
They should ban stupid parents that let their children play manhunt 2
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Quote: "With video games the fact that you're controlling the player takes you out of the experience because you have to interact with a real world device (controller) and are not entirely focused on what's happening on the screen. I don't think the game is good or anything, nor would I ever buy it, but not because it's bloody, because it's a boring game. </rant>"

No, actually videogames are the most immersive media available for normal public audience.

Sueing the game is nonsense. Parenst fault. The censorship is good.


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Posted: 22nd Dec 2007 20:37 Edited at: 22nd Dec 2007 20:41
Don't even get me started on ElmerFud and Bugs bunny = Animal Poaching and Cruelty!!!!

check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM5Gwzk3Vfc

note the WANTED SIGN - Preferably DEAD poster a few seconds in on the tree!! and this is a KIDS cartoon LOL, yeh, sending a REALLY good message isn't it!!!
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lol, I love bugs bunny!

You notice he never starts it, but he always finishes it

I think if Bugs Bunny were to see this, he'd march right down to Washington (or I guess in this case the British Board of Film Classification) and rip everyone's clothes off... er... ye..


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A friend of mine managed to get the uncensored version for the ps2 and we had a go on it. Must say it was nothing. If you actually play it what will go through your mind is "why is this banned?". Seriously isn't as bad as some of the games i've played. Its actually got an alright storyline.

I honestly think the only reason it was banned was because of the slight pornographical material which was quite frankly really funny. Have yet to spot any hardcore pornography or even any naked polygons lol. I read reviews saying that it has sickening porn, naked people etc... but so far we havent even spotted a polygon arse so the reviewer was just completely lying.

The gore is pretty minimal, you rarely see any "parts" falling off, maybe standard jibs from explosions and the occasional head shot effect but thats it. The rest of the effect is a standard bloody splatter effect. It was nothing

If people think it should be banned. Well your opinion I suppose, but it isn't that bad. You play a nutcase trying to escape the government, you are trained to kill in the most brutal way possible, so you use this against the people trying to kill you. Meh, I usually hate these sorts of games, but I had to play it cause you know... its banned. And now I see no reason for it not to be. The reviews about extreme violence and nudity are nothing but extreme exagurations from reviewers and blatent lies.

The "oh but children will kill people if they play this game" phrase means nothing to me apart from "scapegoat".
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 01:18 Edited at: 23rd Dec 2007 01:22
Hmm... How did they manage to get that?

I'm not suggesting your telling 'porky-pies' or anything, but I thought Sony and Nintendo did not allow the game on their consoles?

So, why would they have bothered mass-duplicating the title to be shipped out if they haven't received clearance from the relevant authorities?

The only way I see this happening is if someone at Rockstar has been a naughty-boy or girl and taken it, highly unlikely!

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I take it all back, looks like an employee had leaked it! Naughty-Naughty Boy

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/22/manhunt_2_leaked_by_sony_europe_employee/
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Quote: "Now if a bee came and stung me, well he deserved a swat. Only way I resort to violence is in protection of others around me or self defense."


If a bee stings you, it's dead already.

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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 07:20
Only honeybees, yellow jackets, hornets, etc can sting multiple times.

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Moderators can sting multiple times too, only it feels more like a slap.

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Yer it was leaked, mate managed to get a copy, didn't ask where he got it or how he got it to work for his ps2 . We got bored in the end, it turns into kinda a 3rd person shooter a few missions in and all the stealth aspects of the game go out the window. Its actually like a slightly more gory hitman game. Didn't get much further than that really.

Waiting for the PC version to come out to see if that matches the horrific things the reviewers keep telling us, but somehow I highly doubt it.
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He probably has a Hard drive attached to his PS2 - I have that setup, just copy games to the hard drive and run em all off that, LOL, get a game from the video shop for £4 and I have saved myself a further £30+ :p
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 16:32 Edited at: 23rd Dec 2007 16:33
Quote: "but continue to allow children to watch Tom and Jerry which is or was full of smoking, ultra-violence and animal deglect and cruelty!"


You're forgetting the episodes where they get drunk - the one where Jerry rescues Tom from freezing to death, they get loaded on brute champagne. In another episode Tom is drunk the whole episode. That's not even mentioning the blatantly racist episodes where black voice actors played black natives in the most exploitative way imaginable.

If anyone says that kids won't copy what they see, they're just trying to gloss over the possibility that it could happen. There's an episode of Spongebob where a gorilla puts Sandy and Patrick into a brown bag and beats the crap out of the bag. My two year old is scared to death of that episode, he runs and hides his face when he sees it. Yesterday I had a small brown paper bad in my office and he wanted it really really badly so I gave it to him. A few minutes later I found him in the hallway - he'd put his Sandy and Patrick burger toys in the bag and was beating them on the floor like the gorilla.

So, do I think my son is going to beat someone in the face with a crowbar after he plays Manhunt V? No. Do I think that it's possible that some mentally ill teenage twat could beat me in the face with a crowbar after playing Manhunt? Yes.

The problem with the violence in Manhunt is that it's not far enough removed from reality and not given enough purpose. The average person will just play it, vent some psychotic aggression, then get back to work. For a mentally ill weirdo it could be an enabler.


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Quote: "For a mentally ill weirdo it could be an enabler."


So can watching the animal planet. The guy's still going to attack you, but maybe with a pack of large elephants instead of a crowbar.


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Quote: "The average person will just play it, vent some psychotic aggression, then get back to work. For a mentally ill weirdo it could be an enabler."


I know jerico already had a comparison for this one, but I wanted to throw this out there. For alchoholics, bars are "enablers", but for casual drinkers, they're just a place to chill out. We don't get rid of the bars to prevent the issue of alchoholics, we create programs designed to help/prevent them. Just a thought


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Quote: "I know jerico already had a comparison for this one, but I wanted to throw this out there. For alchoholics, bars are "enablers", but for casual drinkers, they're just a place to chill out. We don't get rid of the bars to prevent the issue of alchoholics, we create programs designed to help/prevent them. Just a thought "


Yes, and they have already created devices to "help" pschyotic people: Potassium Cyanide & .357 Magnums.

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It's wrong to ban this game, and it's wrong for retail stores to continue to sell M and AO games to minors.

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And it's wrong for retailers to sell children candy, cuz it makes them fat.


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Totally agree with Jeku here, banning games is stupid, but selling adult games to children is more so. What's the point in rating them at all if your just going to sell them to anyone regardless of their age? However, I have no problem if the parent of the child buys the game for them so long as they know what the game is like, and if their child would be able to handle it.

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Quote: "And it's wrong for retailers to sell children candy, cuz it makes them fat."


That's a whole other discussion and doesn't make sense in this thread. What's your point?

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Jeku... just... sigh.


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this is [MOD EDIT] ridiculous!
They are admitting that the rating system doesn't work!
People shouldn't steal cars, but some of them will because some people are dick heads. You can't make the world dick head proof (unless you kill all of them).

Quote: "And it's wrong for retailers to sell children candy, cuz it makes them fat."

Yes but if they are fat they wont be able to run from the cops after mass-murdering their entire local community with rocket-launchers and AK-47s

I think the whole idea that violence in games influences kids to kill is crazy, maybe games make kids climb walls etc. but if a kids kills someone after playing a game, the kid was messed up anyway.
Personally I think gore is essential to STOP kids from being violent, I sometimes cringe when watching "child-friendly" violence, the kind where falling from a hundred feet or stabbing someone leaves no marks and no one gets hurt. Show them what really happens or nothing at all.

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So are you saying vegetables should be banned instead?


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Quote: "I think the whole idea that violence in games influences kids to kill is crazy, maybe games make kids climb walls etc. but if a kids kills someone after playing a game, the kid was messed up anyway."


No they are just easily taken in (i couldn't think of a better way to say it)

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influenced?

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Yep there we go thats a better way of saying it

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And if their being influenced that easily then they must be messed up anyway, soo...


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No they wouldn't be "messed up", I would think messed up would be more like if they just went out and did it without seeing or playing the game first. Sure it's a bit wired that some people still are easily infulanced by it but I wouldn't say messed up.

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... But if you kill someone because of seeing a computer game...?


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I see what your saying, ok then they are easily infulanced because they are messed up you convinced me

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Indeed. So the conclusion is, vegatables should be banned?


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