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Slim Pimpin
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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 18:19
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ok, now i know most of you dont care but i need to get this off of my chest.

first i had my console about 2 months and it red ringed; no problem other than not having my console around for a month. Get the coffin and send the thing back. get it back it works fine. fast forward about 9 months and it red rings again. now the story gets fun. i send my console back and wait about another month, this time when i open the box i can hear a profound rattle in the case. much like a screw loose in a pc case, and the controllers dont work. call xbox support and they want me to send it back again. this time overnight in the coffin. i am getting annoyed at this point. i send it back and they turn it around in a week this time. this morning the fedex guy shows up and i am just juiced to play some MOH airborne. turn on the console and try to sync the controllers, nothing. now they want me to send it back again non expedited to have another month wait. what would you do in this situation?

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 18:22
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Give up on this generation. It's painful. Wii=unreliable, 360=unreliable, PS3=big and expensive.


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correction:
Wii=fun and wacky and VERY reliabale
PS3=big, expensive, and LAME.
XBox 360=the good version of the PS#3.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 18:43 Edited at: 14th Jan 2008 18:49
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Ouch, well that is why some people don't go for the 360, my friend was faced with a similar situation - he just came to the conclusion that they're poorly built consoles - but awesome fun to play with.

Probably just be patient, if you want the console - ask for compensation for having to put up with the hassle when the product should work, I mean you're bound to find one that works fine. Also, try to get hold of some accesories to make it 'run' better like a cooling addon, my friend bought one of those yesterday so that he could try avoiding the rings of death again.

Quote: "PS3=big, expensive, and LAME."


Please refrain from childish comments, yes it's big and expensive (expensive console, cheap blu-ray player), but is it really necessary for you to post that it's lame? All of it's players will disagree and that's how these console wars debates start.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 18:47
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How is a temperamental DVD drive that sometimes refuses to spin up, and sometimes refuses to read reliable?


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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 18:58 Edited at: 14th Jan 2008 18:59
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I think all of the consoles suck badly in some way or form. Sure, some of them are superior to the others in aspects, but so far, this generations sucks.

Either the next gen games are brainless graphics-fests, or cheap games with poor novelty control mechanisms (I know there are games for all consoles which break out of these generalisations, but this is my opinion of the majority).

So yeah, skipping this generation, and possibly generations to come if this trend continues.


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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 19:35
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You should write a stern letter of complaint, demanding a brand new console or your money back.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 19:44 Edited at: 14th Jan 2008 19:46
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You say the item is "not fit for purpose" and "want a full refund" or a "free upgrade to the Elite version which you know is revised and more reliable".

If they don't do it take them to small claims court (if your in the UK)

I've had no problems with my XBox 360 Premium but it sounds like they keep sending you repaired duffers.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 21:14
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The 360 is the worst-designed hardware console since --- well, ever. My first 360 red-ringed, my second 360 red-ringed and I had to wait THREE MONTHS for a new one. Now my third 360 has the DVD issue where it just stops spinning so games don't load properly or crash. Now I'm waiting for my 4th 360. This is just ridiculous.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 21:45
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...which is exactly the reason custom pc's should rule the world.


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I've been telling all my friends for years that consoles are a waste. What with all the things PCs can do!

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 22:37
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For the uneducated like me, what exactly is "red-ringed"? Google doesn't bring up anything apart from loads of people complaining (rightfully) about their 360 being "red-ringed".

Is it where the 360 overheats too much, and leaves a small "red-ring" somewhere on the console?

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Posted: 14th Jan 2008 22:46 Edited at: 14th Jan 2008 22:48
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The 360 shows a red ring shaped light when it has malfunctioned (normally quite serious malfunction, i.e. won't turn on etc.)

a.k.a "Ring of death"




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Ah, the ring of death. Made me bring back my 360 to the store, and get a new one twice. After that, I got terribly sick of it and demanded my money back. And bought a Wii. I actually like the Wii better.(As that one actually works)

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Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up David.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2008 00:28 Edited at: 15th Jan 2008 00:39
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Some interesting stuff here, aparently 3 lights is heatsink loose and is an easy fix..

http://llamma.com/xbox360/repair/xbox-360-repair.htm

While your in there you might as well add a cooling fan

Bet bet though is to get a later model. A never again buy v1 of anything

To avoid the DVD damage issue NEVER move your XBox 360 while the disc is spinning. I tried it and it makes a horrible noise

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Hmm, well I have never had any problems with my Wii or 360, and I have no place large enough to store the PS3 without starting something on fire. But this just proves that some people have problems and some don't. Don't say the entire generation sucks because some people have problems, because others don't, it's a fact of life people.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2008 01:19 Edited at: 15th Jan 2008 01:35
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Quote: "and I have no place large enough to store the PS3"

How big do you think they are?!
PS3 = 330mm x 279mm x 102mm
360 = 309mm x 258mm x 83mm
So the PS3 only takes up 2 extra centimetres in width and depth. If you stand them both up on their side, again its 2cm deeper and 2cm wider. Not much and it doesn't have a big power pack dangling out the back. Perhaps they should have made the 360 bigger and filled the space with cooling fans Just kidding.

Edit: Oops, the official size of the PS3 is actually 325mm x 274mm x 98mm.


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Dont worry, my 360 also broke about a week ago, I can hear something loose in mine to. How long did it take to get back the first time?

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My 360 red ringed after just 11 months. I got in touch with the service centre to book it's repair and ended up spending 45 minutes on the phone while they had me plugging it in, unplugging it, turning it on, turning it off, etc after which they told me it was a problem with the transformer. Well I knew for a fact that it wasn't but they wouldn't listen and would only agree to send a replacement transformer.

You can imagine how annoyed I was by this but I decided it was probably easier to buy a new 360 than argue the toss over the phone with them. Anyway a month passes and the new transformer turns up which for some reason just made me angry again. So I got back on the phone to try and book it's repair again. They keep me on the phone for another 45 minutes asking the same questions as before and guess what? They tell me the problem is with the transformer AGAIN. After alot of arguing they finally emailed a shipping label to me so I could send my 360 back for repair. It took just over three weeks from sending it off via UPS to getting it back. So now it sits on top of my wardrobe as a spare for the day when my second 360 decides to flash the red ring of death.

If I ever buy another console it will probably be a playstation.

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Quote: "If I ever buy another console it will probably be a playstation."


It'll probably be another 360...

Seriously, how can you afford 2 360s.. I can't even afford one


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Quote: "Seriously, how can you afford 2 360s.. I can't even afford one"



In that case your lucky. Your spared the frustration of having one go wrong.

To answer your question, I used money I had put on one side to upgrade my pc.

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Hey Darkfoil,
When my internet went out. They told me to call Linksys to fix the router.
10 minutes later, internet back.


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99% of tech support people have no idea wtf they are doing, they simply read from a script based on keywords you tell them, and if that doesn't fix it, they tell you to reinstall windows.

Very rarely will you reach a person who actually understands how the technology works and can offer an intelligent solution to your specific problem.

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Quote: "they simply read from a script based on keywords you tell them"


Spot on. The second time I phoned the service centre they ran me through exactly the same routine as the first time I phoned and even came to the same conclusion, the transformer, which led to a massive argument over the phone before they would agree to let me return the 360 for repair.

When I got it back the test report indicated that the problem lay with the DVD drive and not the transformer, as I had repeatedly tried to tell them.

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ya, i've had 2 red rings of death, which sucks. but i got over it due to Xbox's amazing games

btw, an interesting story about tech support:

the first day that i got my 360, i tried to connect it to xbox live, but i was getting errors about my NAT not being Open. I didn't know what to do, so i called XBox support. i get some guy who can barely speak english, has me go through their stupid system, and his conclusion is "I'z sorry, I can't 'elp you. I t'ink you should contact your ISP." so, i hang up thinking, "my ISP isn't gonna help with squat..." after a while of thinking, i called Linksys. maybe it was a router issue? (not only did i have problems with my xbox connecting, so did my sister's new pc). within 20 minutes, the guy at LINKSYS had my xbox and my sister's pc online!!! he knew exactly what he was doing because he said he had an xbox too. he was really helpful.

btw, the Linksys guy's name was Gail, so if you ever have any problems, call linksys and ask for him

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Quote: "Don't say the entire generation sucks because some people have problems, because others don't, it's a fact of life people."


Its generalization. You can't quantify the generations quality based on one individuals either. Compared to past generations this generation is a disaster.

Quote: "but i got over it due to Xbox's amazing games"


What's ironic is, there are a lot of people who switched from Playstation to Xbox because of the PS2s DRE problem. There excuse now is "At least Microsoft admitted their problem."
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DRE problem? what is that about?

I never had any problems with my ps2

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Disc Read Error.

Old fat PS2s would often get an error on the screen saying "Disc Read Error" when they tried playing certain discs or all discs. People blamed it on faulty lasers, but its really just because the PS2 collected dust very easily on the lenses.
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Quote: "Old fat PS2s would often get an error on the screen saying "Disc Read Error" when they tried playing certain discs or all discs. People blamed it on faulty lasers, but its really just because the PS2 collected dust very easily on the lenses."


I have a "fat" first generation PS2 and I have never had a disk read error in its life.

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Quote: "I have a "fat" first generation PS2 and I have never had a disk read error in its life."


Me to, I did on a couple of old DVDs but thats it.

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I used to have DRE's all the time, especially when the PS2 got over 5-6 years old. At one point, we religiously had to do all sort of tricks to get them working, which, looking back, was quite absurd.

The current generation, with a personal exception for the Wii, is a total disaster indeed.


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I don't think the Wii should be included in the 'current' generation of systems, it pretty much has the same graphics as the last generation, and the only thing cool is Wii sports

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Quote: "I don't think the Wii should be included in the 'current' generation of systems, it pretty much has the same graphics as the last generation, and the only thing cool is Wii sports
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Seriously? You are being serious aren't you?

Graphics do not define the next gen.

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Quote: "Graphics do not define the next gen."


Don't get me started

Technically the Wii is not considered next gen in the game industry. In the history of game consoles the three current systems are "current gen", but in the game industry 360 and PS3 are still referred to as next gen while Wii, Xbox, NGC, and PS2 are considered current gen.

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Why would they make them better then. Tell me why they would put all new parts in to handle the new games. If it was just game play it would not need new processors and all the new stuff.

I did not say that Graphics define the next gen anyway, but they do play an important role in sales.

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Quote: "Technically the Wii is not considered next gen in the game industry. In the history of game consoles the three current systems are "current gen", but in the game industry 360 and PS3 are still referred to as next gen while Wii, Xbox, NGC, and PS2 are considered current gen.
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Yet EB still charge next gen prices for Wii games...

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wow, i was certainly not expecting to start a thread war. my first xbox took me about 4 weeks to get back.

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Nintendo won't replace my DS Lite's cracked hinge. Why was there not three hinges on the DS? Why did only one of those two have the rachet mechanism and therefore breaks? Not impressed with any of the latest gen offerings. Trying too hard.


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Quote: "Don't get me started"


I really detest the whole "Next gen is only graphics" thing. What happened to next gen actually meaning next generation different games, rather than souped up graphics?

The Wii isn't a technical achiever, but hey, it's doing something different. I hate all the consoles at the moment, but I admire Nintendo for at least trying regardless of how much of a fad/novelty it is. The only thing worthy of this view in the PS3/360 is the online stuff. Then again, internet games have been around since the Quake 1 era, so not exactly revolutionary stuff :/

So if anything is next gen, I'd say it's the Wii. PS3 and 360 are just PS2++ and 359++. They aren't massive jumps forward, they're graphics improvements. Oh, and a random switch to PPC for the 360.

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Quote: "ut in the game industry 360 and PS3 are still referred to as next gen while Wii, Xbox, NGC, and PS2 are considered current gen."


I really hope it's only the marketing department doing that Considering the quantity of mathematically able coders, I would have hoped they could realise that if you're using something currently, it isn't the same as the next version (mathematically able referring to logic that is)


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If Wii is not next-gen, it's beyond-next-gen for me. Heck, originality and gameplay above graphics, right? I thought that was our ethos as game developers...


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The controller is genius. Brilliant. Nothing else you get in the box is. The sensor bar isn't powerful enough, and has a cable that manages to be too long and too short depending upon where you put it. The nunchaku's analogue stick stops centering properly given a few weeks, and the nunchaku's motion sensor is not very good. The Wii itself is noisy and unreliable in my experience (a friend's crashes whenever a Gamecube controller is attached or disconnected; Nintendo won't fix that either.) I've had problems with the disc drive not spinning up, the power supply having "moods", the disc drive not seeking properly (ending in whirring and clunks and very slow loading) and it often overheats. The controller is certainly next gen. The console isn't.


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Sounds like you are unlucky. I have one of the first Wiis and my controllers work perfectly, they center just fine. Never had any problems with GC controllers or games, and never had any of that power stuff, heck I cant even hear my Wii when its on unless I literally stick my ear up to the fan port. It has never crashed either. Also my Wiis drive has never failed to spin up.

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Ps3: Just lame you may have a go but being a person who tried a ps3 I have a oppinion of my own and also PS3's disk draw gams alot so haliloolah for 360s original disk draw then just some disc vaccum.

360: Great online, great games, I had 1 red lighted xbox and since then no problems from my 360 oh and also it has this error when you play spiderman 3 so beware! And also the xbox 360 scratches is when a person has been retarded and put the 360 upwards.

Wii: Fun, great family console, Mario Galaxy is a must have, great selection of games like 360.

I tried all consoles so don't think up a excuse to make up a argument.

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Quote: "What happened to next gen actually meaning next generation different games, rather than souped up graphics? "


I don't remember that *ever* being the case.

Quote: "I really hope it's only the marketing department doing that"


The Wii is not a technical jump from "current gen" in the same way the 360 and PS3 are. I'm just stating the truth here You are all putting words in my mouth about creativity, true games, yadda yadda yadda. It doesn't make it true. Be offended all you want

Quote: "Ps3: Just lame you may have a go but being a person who tried a ps3 I have a oppinion of my own and also PS3's disk draw gams alot so haliloolah for 360s original disk draw then just some disc vaccum."


English, please?

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Quote: "Heck, originality and gameplay above graphics, right?"


Yes, if it was an improvement. Most Wii games offer the experience of shaking a ketchup bottle that's almost empty. And I've yet to see a Wii game with gameplay (inside the game, not how its played) that cannot, or hasn't been experienced on other consoles.

Quote: "Wii: Fun, great family console, Mario Galaxy is a must have, great selection of games like 360."


If only.
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Metroid Prime 3 did it pretty well. So far it's the only game I've played (not played Galaxy) that's worth owning on the Wii.


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Wow, just one game. Thats terrible.

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Yep. Not really a huge fan of the Wii. It doesn't even make a good GameCube, what with its Smash Bros. hanging antics.


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Quote: "Yes, if it was an improvement. Most Wii games offer the experience of shaking a ketchup bottle that's almost empty. And I've yet to see a Wii game with gameplay (inside the game, not how its played) that cannot, or hasn't been experienced on other consoles."

Well, that goes for all consoles. I haven't seen a single game offering what hasn't been able on other consoles. The Wii offers something unique. XBOX360 and PS3 offer nothing new, if you ask me. They're just gaming consoles. The Wii is more than that, for me - it's something that makes gaming accessible to a lot of people - I've never gamed against my dad before since I was 6, and I love a quick game of Wii Sports. And otherwise, I'll go play Galaxy, Zelda or Metroid - which for me are games better than anything currently available on PS3 and most titles on XBOX360.


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