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Geek Culture / My New Rig **Now with some wire-hiding pics**

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CattleRustler
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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 15:36 Edited at: 29th Mar 2008 16:04
I built a new rig to replace my p4 3.2 system. I built it two weeks ago, but just added some finishing touches after some experimenting, so I didnt make this thread until now. Here are the specs:

MOBO
ASUS MAXIMUS EXTREME LGA 775 Intel X38 Chipset Full ATX
(supports 65nm, and new 45nm Penryn CPUs - supports 8 GB DDR3 1333 ram - water cooler ready - flashed bios to 1001 using usb thumb drive )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131235

CPU
Intel Core 2 QUAD Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor (Stepping G-0/S-Spec: SLACR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

GPU
XFX GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150173

MEM
CORSAIR 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145183

HDD
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

CD/DVD
ASUS Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616A3T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135143

PSU
Antec TPQ-850 ATX12V / EPS12V 850W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, C-tick, CCC, CB (80+ Energy Rated)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371009

CASE(a steel framed bohemeth)
COOLER MASTER Cosmos 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower
(4x120mm fans (filtered) 1 top rear exhaust, 2 top exhaust, 1 bottom intake - psu is bottom rear mounted)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138

AUDIO
Originally tried mobo included pci-e riser card (8 channel HD Audio - SoundMax - see mobo details) but it flaked out multiple times (drivers), switched to what I should have just done originally:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102006
Only x-fi card that had connector for case front panel Intel HD Audio Connector (case supports AC97 and IntelHD)
(HL2:Loast Coast Video Stress Test without xfi gaming mode: 115 FPS avg. Same test with gaming mode on: 153 FPS avg)

EXTRAS
Creative HS-900 Circumaural Headset (headphones + mic)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826158053
(replaces crappy mic-only headset)

Microsoft N71-00007S Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Wheel Mouse - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105026
Replaces Logitech EX110 Wirelsee Mouse (sick of batteries and newly errupted driver issues - still using the logitech keyboard without the setpoint drivers installed)

OS - Windows XP Pro 32bit



The mobo came with 3dMark06 so I may install it and do some benchmarking for various combinations of stock settings, vs OC cpu, w/wo xfi game mode etc. Using Running Riva Tuner 2.08 to compensate for nvidia lack of reliable gpu driver/bios fan scheme.
ATITool 0.27b 3d stress test (15 minutes) 975 FPS - GPU 71c steady, GPU Idle 56c (may do an Arctic Silver 5 job on the gpu, havent decided yet)

Anyway now that the mouse and audio have been replaced the system is absolutely perfect, fast as hell, and quiet as hell too. Currently running stock settings - no OC.



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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 15:48
nice mobo & graphics card

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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 16:49
Looks nice, but you should have gotten a GeForce 8800 GT instead. It's less expensive and has better performance than an 8800 GTS.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 17:08
Jesus, that's a lot of money

But a very nice setup. I'd love to see HL2 on that!

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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 17:36
huh my x-fi xtreame gamer card didn't come with a font panel connector

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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 18:18
Quote: "Looks nice, but you should have gotten a GeForce 8800 GT instead. It's less expensive and has better performance than an 8800 GTS."


An 8800gts beats out an 8800gt, but only by a little bit


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A 512MB 8800gts beats an 8800gt, but the 320mb and 640mb 8800gts is slower.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 18:38
Hmm, looks like you're right, very interesting.. Thanks for the info


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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 20:09 Edited at: 29th Mar 2008 20:18
Quote: "Looks nice, but you should have gotten a GeForce 8800 GT instead. It's less expensive and has better performance than an 8800 GTS. "

thanks. The video card was actually purchased a few months back in Nov 2007 when on my old rig the nv 6800 Ultra 256 took a crap. At that time the deal on the 8800gts 320 was sweet and I think possibly the gt wasnt released (iirc). So the current card is the 8800 gts 320, I had to actually buy a lesser card to keep the old rig functional but made the mistake of getting a cheap 8600 gts - stupid bios controlled fans, and Nibitor doesnt yet let you edit the bios on that card Oh well, maybe a 9-series card for this machine soon, push the 8800 back to the other rig, and sell the 8600 piss cheap


Quote: "..., that's a lot of money
But a very nice setup. I'd love to see HL2 on that!"

HL2, TF2, Portal all look stellar, even on the old rig the 8800 did wonders, but now its just insane. I am able to gas the AA and AF up without affecting frame rate (+xfi gamer mode). Actually it wasnt that expensive, was it? Well, normally a good mobo would run anywhere from 120 to 200 usd, but in this case 350 was a little steep, but if you check all the specs I have basically "obsolete proofed" this system for longer than the usual average, since the mobo supports the 45nm Penryn cpu's, ddr3 1333 ram, and pci-e 2.0 gpu's I can basically upgrade thos parts (cpu and gpu, add mem) at will and be set for a long while without major rebuild. I was actually ok with the other rig but a development decision drove this major build where I needed 2 current/decent pc's, which I now have.

Quote: "huh my x-fi xtreame gamer card didn't come with a font panel connector"

Yeah, the higher end cards (fatal1ty etc) dont have that head on them. I almost made that mistake but realized it. So I end up with an xfi audio processor bundle on the lower end ($90) with no x-ram (I wont lose sleep) and the ability to connect my front panel over to the card via IntelHD connection. Its all about the research I guess, and triple checking everything before purchase.

One thing I noticed is my dvd/cd drive has no audio connector to the sound card, yet cd's play as audio Am I correct to say the audio data is being sent thru the sata data bus to the audio card? I mean obviously it has to be, but I wasnt aware that it does that automatically. I guess I am a bit dated since every pc I have built since early 90's has had a wire to go from the cdrom to the audio card, lol. The xfi card has that port too, but not the drive.

neat

PS- This is the first system I have ever built by ordering the parts online. I used to have a wholesaler shop near me, and had an account with them for my business. That went away recently so I used NewEgg. Let me just say for the record NEW EGG ROCKS. Great pricing, fast delivery, stellar accuracy. I bought all these parts, plus a few individual items (video card, b/u hdd, etc) over the last few months and they have always been fast and perfect. If you are considering a new system and havent bought online and built your own, I can whole-heartedly recommend NewEgg.com

http://NewEgg.com
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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 20:17
Quote: "I mean obviously it has to be, but I wasnt aware that it does that automatically"


Aye, it's been like that ever since sata, as far as I can tell. Nice, because you don't have to worry about interference on the line from the cd player to the card, since it's all digital.


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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 20:18
sweet

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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 20:20
Now I just gotta figure out how to remove the interference on my front audio jacks


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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 20:23 Edited at: 29th Mar 2008 20:28
hey good point, I have that too, when using headphones via fron panel. It has to be the wire picking up noise from all the insane parts inside the case. For now if I lower the headphone vloume control on its wire, I can get rid of the noise. Maybe there is some shielding that can be added to the wire. Also I dont like the proximity of the sound card to the gpu card, right next to each other, could be adding to the problem.

At the moment no oddness thru the speakers, just the headphones. Ill try a diff pair of of headp's to see if the wiring or the phones themselves...

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Posted: 29th Mar 2008 20:37
Ye, I keep my headphones plugged into the back, the front are pretty much useless to me...

I suspect using a sheild running from the soundcard/mobo sound out all the way to the jacks on the case might fix it. Might also need to upgrade the wiring itself to high quality shielded wire.

Too much hassle for something I don't use too often. Especially now that I bought some 5.1 Logitech speakers. The speakers have a corded remote with a headphone jack


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Posted: 30th Mar 2008 02:03
looks like a nice rig u got there. Just my opinion, but the soundcard could be pointless since most mobo's have good soundchips in them these days. And since you might be playing on headphones anyway.....eh, it was your choice


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Quote: "looks like a nice rig u got there. Just my opinion, but the soundcard could be pointless since most mobo's have good soundchips in them these days. And since you might be playing on headphones anyway.....eh, it was your choice"


Actually, my cheapy creative 40 dollar 7.1 card sounds way better than my onboard. It gives a fuller sound, and nice and crispy. If you're an audiophile, onboard sound is no good.


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Posted: 30th Mar 2008 06:23
Quote: "looks like a nice rig u got there"

thanks

Quote: "but the soundcard could be pointless since most mobo's have good soundchips in them these days. And since you might be playing on headphones anyway"


You may have missed the bit where I said I tried the mobo supplied card PCI-E 1X riser card 8 channel HD Audio but it kept flaking out. Every few days the drivers would die, theres no fix for it. Im not going to say that all on-board audio sux, but from what I know, all on-board audio (or riser included audio) sux balls. Even when the included card was working, the creative XFI simply trashes it in every respect. If all things remained the same, just the sound quality alone is reason enough to not use the built on/in sound. It might be fine for general stuff but in the end, the quality is sooo much better using a real card, not to mention the frame rate gain when using an xfi chip.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2008 09:31
fair enough. I have to say, my onboard is quite good. Its Realtek HD thingo on the gigabyte boards. I am a audiophile, but its also a lot to do with the speakers our have. Ive learn a fair bit an my mini recording studio


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Posted: 30th Mar 2008 16:03 Edited at: 30th Mar 2008 16:05
Nice but I think you're crazy putting XP on its a secure as a chocolate fireguard.

I have an XFi-Gamer sound card and it kick Realtec onboard sound cards butt as it's a Direct Sound accelerator. If you use 3D sound in Dark Basic on Realtec it eats up a huge chunk of your CPU and don't sound very 3 dimensional at all.

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You should get vista for it. Cause as your graphics card is DX10 it would make it better!


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yeah, dx10 sounds nice, but I am not switching to Vista just for that. Not worth the headache at the moment if everything else starts to flake out. I will re-evaluate after vista has been around a bit longer.

as far as xp security, I have never had an issue
-SP2
-All updates
-soft firewall
-router
-spybot s&d
-dont download/visit/install warez/pron/crack sites

works for me

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My £8 sound card sounds alright. I keep the volume down on it, sounds almost as good (not quite as rich, but the difference is so slight I'll live) as one of those over the top £200 external units if you let the big amps in the subwoofer do the work instead. I don't get any hiss or buzz associated with internal sound cards either.


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Quote: "yeah, dx10 sounds nice, but I am not switching to Vista just for that"

I switched to vista even though I had a DX9 card!


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Posted: 30th Mar 2008 17:10 Edited at: 30th Mar 2008 17:23
im in a contest to win one of these...

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html




Crazy quad sli
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Cattle Rustler just a couple of the many problems with XP security..

1) Share a folder and it gets shared as user=guest password=none! (at least in the home version it does)

2) Vista finally caught up with linux in that you cannot alter the windows systems unless you're in administrator mode. This helps stop trojens and root kits (which bypass firewalls) just installing themselfs.

There is a Vista service pack set for April that will harden it still further.

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The Vista Service pack is already out on Windows Update and Microsoft Download Center, I've been running it for the past week .

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Nice System! Certainly kicked my motherboard's ass.
You going to post any pics of the finished product?

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sure
its not all "glowy" with neon lights and crap, but its a beautiful work of art nonetheless. Ill snap some pics and post em soon

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I'm waiting for the autoupdate version I'm not gona download a 600mb service pack so i can be Microsoft guinea Pig (er I mean gamma tester)

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there already is a auto update verson

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Nice rig. It would be a waste if you don't overclock it, otherwise you would have spent so much money on the high-end proc/mobo/ram combo that would only run at around 80% of their full potential.

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It would be a waste if he burns it up while overclocking too... It's not very wise for the minor speed increases, seriously.

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Quote: "It would be a waste if he burns it up while overclocking too... It's not very wise for the minor speed increases, seriously.
"

It takes a lot of work to do that. It's kinda hard if you know what you are doing/and you check the temp. If you don't, well, be prepared to smell some burnt silicon.


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Quote: "It would be a waste if he burns it up while overclocking too... It's not very wise for the minor speed increases, seriously. "

Yeah I also agree with that. As overclocking is
1.Invalidating your warranty
2.Risking your computer
For around 5% speed increase.
OMG 5% FASTER! AND IT ONLY TOOK 6 PROCESSORS TO FIGURE OUT ITS SAFE LIMIT!
See...

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Quote: "OMG 5% FASTER! AND IT ONLY TOOK 6 PROCESSORS TO FIGURE OUT ITS SAFE LIMIT! "


That was the problem with the older P4, but C2D are generally accepted by the OC community as very overclockable. We're talking +1GHz speed increase here.

PS: with the stock heatsink.

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Not the high-end C2Ds though, because they are already 'over-clocked' by Intel. The low end ones will over clock up to the same speeds as the top ones though.

All processors are basically the same, the more expensive ones are the ones that held up in testing because they were made better.

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Sorry, I should have rephrased that. Most C2D overclocks can reach 3.0GHz, including the <2GHz Allendales (thus the 1GHz Intel overclock).

In the case of CR's Q6600, 2.4GHz still leaves plenty of room to overclock. 4GHz is also possible with some effort, but not on the stock heatsink.

What I'm trying to say is that overclocking nowadays does not mean "5% performance increase" anymore. Unless it's a Dell.

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You can overclock a C2D easy but i don't do crazyoverclock something like 2.0 <-> 2.5 or 2.2 <-> 2.75 or 2.4 <-> 3.0 about 22-25% increase.

You can also overclock most nVidia graphics cards easy like 8600GT (540) <-> 8600GTS (675) about a 5fps/14% increase in Lost Planet.

you can get a descent game system for cheap money



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My system hangs if I try and overclock my GPU.


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Most of the C2D are made of the same good ol' silicon (and are just about the same processor though out the line) , thus most overclock well. AMD's current processors use different types of silicon, so if overclocking AMD's line right now is want you want. Guess and check or get a Black Edition.


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before and after some wire-hiding, still some work to do...

BEFORE

BEFORE

AFTER

AFTER

AFTER


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Very nice. I should post some pics of my rig. It's not super powerful, but I've invested a ton of money on the case and cooling, about 200 bucks. It's decked out in a zalman cooler and red silenx fans, rubber mounts and aftermarket fan plates, with a couple red glowy tubes. It's pretty neat

I envy your pushbutton drive mounts.

How bout a pic of the outside of your case?


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thanks
sure post some pics here!

ok but its huge...

edit: gah, I need to reinstall adobe and make downsized versions of these other pics

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Nice setup. Excellent cable tidying job also. I see your taking full advantage of your Q-connector, My motherboard was missing mine .

I have to say I've never seen a base mounted PSU.

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thanks and thanks

Quote: "I see your taking full advantage of your Q-connector, My motherboard was missing mine "

sorry to hear that, whats a Q-connector?

Quote: "I have to say I've never seen a base mounted PSU"

yeah, its my first too. it seems to becoming common in the high end sector. A lot of pc's on my new favorite site (overclock.net) tend to have bottom mounted psu's. supposedly its more stable (low center of gravity lol) and it leaves more room at top for fans, where the heat may tend to collect.

I keep meaning to tell you, I love the sig image you have, although I hate that he's doing the illuminati hand gesture thing, but thats just me. I know it means other things (rock on, satan, etc)

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Ha, much nicer than before like after one of those slimfast diets

I think your heatsink looks a bit puny in that case. i think you need a nice big orange fan thingie to match all your orange heatsink thingies



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Quote: "I keep meaning to tell you, I love the sig image you have, although I hate that he's doing the illuminati hand gesture thing, but thats just me. I know it means other things (rock on, satan, etc)"

Gah! I can't believe it. As soon as I make a new sig, I found out somebody has commented on my old one.
Thanks for your compliment! My friend bought me that mask for Christmas, So I decided to do some strange poses in it. I was going to put it up giving the middle finger, but I thought that to be distasteful, so I chose that pose.

What do you think between the new sig and the old one?


Quote: "whats a Q-connector? "

That white plastic majogger you connect all your power buttons, case speaker, reset button etc to. Makes things a little easier if you unplug things.

bitJericho
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Posted: 12th Apr 2008 08:04 Edited at: 12th Apr 2008 08:05
Quote: "fan thingie to match all your orange heatsink thingies "


I got the 120 mm zalman, and it's awesome I'd post a pic but don't have a cam

Unfortunately, the dude who mounted their fan in that picture did it sideways, should be set to blow out the rear of the motherboard.


Hurray for teh logd!
Osiris
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Posted: 12th Apr 2008 09:25
That fan looks really loud!


CR is the noise on that beast?

RIP Max-Tuesday, November 2 2007
You will be dearly missed.
Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 12th Apr 2008 12:18
Quote: "That fan looks really loud! "


no, on CPU fans, generally bigger is quieter because they run slower(RPM), so less noise.
Stock Cooler runs at about 3,200 RPM were as my Blue Orb runs at 1,500.


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