Quote: "If you want to see how the games were good in the "good old days", just pop open an Atari 2600 and try to get immersed. Most of those games can't keep me entertained for 5 minutes and had absolutely no storyline to be found. Today's games are rich in graphics, shallow in story, and are repetitive as all hell. You can blame the big publishers and their "don't try anything risky" cookie-cutter mentality.
It's nice to see unique and innovative games on PSN, Wii-ware, and XBLA."
So in other words, you hate all games?
Quote: "Hah, I'd still take Deus Ex over Bioshock anytime, and compared to System Shock, Bioshock isn't that much greater, really. Those games are all 8-15 years old."
Is Deus Ex Bioshock? No. I never said that games couldn't be as good, I said that specifically for Bioshock, the graphical and world style make up a large amount of the appeal I have for the game.
Quote: "Assassins Creed is basically Prince of Persia freeform."
Never played PoP, and I've never heard of another game that has the kind of control scheme and ability to climb on basically everything in a massive world like AC did, as disappointing as the gameplay was.
Quote: "Call of Duty 4 is the fourth installment! How can that be innovative?"
Did I say CoD4 was innovative?
. I actually said the opposite, I said it took everything good from past games, and put it all together, meaning they just did everything that's already been done, only right and/or better.
Quote: "Like said, the market isn't going to collapse. What is going to collapse is the hardcore gaming market. We're just not profitable anymore."
I think it's a good thing gaming is becoming more mainstream. People equate that with bad games, which is true in some cases, but I think that the main problem is in the hardcore gamers that are complaining. Either they are losing interest in gaming in general as they grow older, are too close-minded/stubborn to play/accept newer games, or are looking for elements that the new games they play don't have.
Quote: "The corporate gamer has shunted the bedroom coder out the door. Games used to be a new frontier, now they are a vehicle for financial success. It's easy to get jaded.
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That may be so, but a lot of times good games are produced in the process of financial success
. I don't know why people act like games like Bioshock, CoD4, GTAIV, HL2, Oblivion, etc. are crap, when there is obviously something about them if you look at the reviews they get and the number of copies they've sold. I could really care less how innovative something is if the end product is entertaining. Heck, we've been doing superhero movies for 80 years, but does that mean we are going to pass off
Batman: The Dark Knight as crap because it can't come up with a new genre or concept for it? Lack of innovation!=crappy game.
Well it seems I'm the only one who feels this way by reading the thread, lol, but like I said, I think it's more that the players are losing interest and growing up (not that you can't play games as you get older) rather than games are getting bad. It really does remind me of the old people who complain about todays music just because it doesn't interest them, or because most of it's been done before. I'm surprised to see opinions like these coming from a game developer forum, if you really think that then a) don't play the supposedly good new games if you think they're crap, or b) you're a game developer, so stop complaining and do better yourself.
Sorry if I come off as rude or annoyed (which I am a bit), but I feel like I'm trying to convince a bunch of old people why our generation isn't a complete failure at everything we do and will do.
