Quote: "Are any of the gimmicks necessary in the next-gen gaming? The Wii-mote is there, because people who use it, like using it. The PS3 and XBox360 don't need fantastic graphics and I think it detracts from created really good games. People who use PS3 and XBox360 like having fantastic graphics."
How are graphics considered a gimmick? If it was a "gimmick" then there wouldn't be a push for better technology to produce them. The whole point of a video games is to immerse the player into a visual and auditory world that they control. Better graphics = better immersion = theoretically better gaming experience. Its blatantly obvious that the further gaming ages, the further graphics are going to continue getting better. Its an integral part of what makes a
video game, a
video game.
Your last sentence is complete nonsense. One of the best games I've played on the PS3 so far was Bladestorm, and it looks like garbage. People don't just play the Xbox 360 and PS3 for graphics, but I will agree that people who use the Wiimote like using it, because otherwise you wouldn't (if you had a choice).
Quote: "Isn't that what they're trying to do? Finding their biggest market and selling out to them? Nintendo saw a gap in casual gaming and played towards it with a gimmick controller, MS and Sony saw the demand for power. All of them have played to their market and have succeeded in it. Except those demanding for good well thought out games, like the older games are left out for the most part. "
How did I disagree with that? Nintendo was basically
forced to do it. If they had continued to market to the current gamer base they probably would have sold their next console to a smaller portion of the market than they controlled before. In hindsight, they should have done it, otherwise they probably would have went the way of Sega after this generation.
Quote: "That's you not the entire audience of people that enjoy playing on their Wii and think the controller is a good idea and makes it fun for your average casual gamer. Like I said, Nintendo are playing to their market, you're obviously not a part of their market."
So because they sell to their market it makes it "good"? That's like saying cigarettes are a good because their marketing towards youth is working. Who cares.
The Wiimote is impractical for effective utilization in video games. I don't care how "fun" it is, its completely arbitrary to the actual gameplay, and doesn't change anything about the actual video game. Maybe how you percieve it to be fun because of its simplicity and illusion of control. For me fun outside of the game doesn't equal fun inside. But keep hoping, I'm sure eventually someone will make a game worthy of something beyond waggling the Wiimote around.
Quote: "And here you state that it does, trying to hide the fact with your own personal opinion. You wanna know what it offers new to gaming? A whole new crowd of gamers. Motion sensing and such have been done before, but as the main control device it actually does add to games, even if you don't like what it adds. Quite literally, any new form of input adds to playing a game in some form, good OR bad. It has nothing to do with like or dislike."
That wasn't a contradiction. The second sentence was in reference to my intial question "When is the Wii fun again?". I don't think how you control input has anything to do with "gaming", nor do I think a whole new crowd of gamers has anything to do with "gaming". The games are the same, therefore the gaming is the same.
Quote: "And I'm pretty insulted by your post. I'm in denial because YOU don't like the Wiimote? I'm clearly not you. Where on earth did I say that Brawl and Mariokart needed the Wiimote?? I didn't even mention them, OR say that the Wiimote was a necessary for the future of gaming. It's certainly opened the market a lot though. Despite your opinion, a lot of people actually like the Wii. Get over it. What's frustrating is like Seppuku said, there aren't many games out yet that utilise it effectively. Does that mean I shouldn't enjoy the games I play on it? Gah there are so many reasons I bought the Wii, only one of which had to do with the Wiimote. If you'd like I could list them, though I'll wait for you on that one."
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and keep on assuming you're in denial, because you've completely turned what I said, into what you think I said. I don't care if you like it. I don't care if you think I dislike it. I don't care if everyone on the planet likes it. It doesn't make it not a gimmick, which was the original argument. Not about whether or not I like it, or you like it. So you being in denial has nothing to do with whether you or I like it. You being in denial is refusing to believe the Wii was a cash cow to get people to buy something that is obviously trivial to the actual act of playing video games.
Now, with that said, the Wii is not any more fun than any other console right now, or past consoles for that matter. It still has the same types of games that have been around for decades. People act like its what gaming should be.
Quote: "Why do people try to judge the fun of a console by its hardware rather than its games? Well at least, I usually see PS3 owners doing this (they need to be able to brag about something I guess )."
Missed this. I own about a dozen games for the Wii. And haven't touched it since the release of Brawl in March. Which games would you suggest I play because I haven't had much luck, and I honestly doubt there are more than a dozen worthy titles of play on the Wii yet.
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Red Steel
Metroid Prime 3
Mario Galaxy
Resident Evil 4
Reisdent Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Smash Bros Brawl
Wii Sports
Wii Play
Battalion Wars 2
Madden 2007
Lego Star Wars The Complete Saga
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Elebits
Super Paper Mario
Games I own/played. I think I've hit all the must haves so far, aside from Mario Kart which I don't really care about all that much ever since the N64 version.
