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Ermes
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Posted: 14th Jul 2008 19:22 Edited at: 14th Jul 2008 19:26
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hi ppl, there's someone who has all the tgc products?
i.e. fps creator, model packs, extension, etc?

i'm asking this becouse i'm wondering how many products are needed to make a decent game.

my purchased TGC products are
DBC,DBpro,DMATTER1,DMATTER2,CLOTH and PARTICLES(this last is really useless), and i'm actual a caveman of the code.

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Alucard94
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Posted: 14th Jul 2008 19:28 Edited at: 15th Jul 2008 17:35
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I own... now let's see here, zero TGC products.
What do I win?


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dark coder
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Quote: "I own... now let's see here, zero TGC products."


Then you'll never make a good game!!!! Product count == game quality.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 14th Jul 2008 19:49
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I have just DBC and DBP. £10-£20 really is good for royalty free usage of the addon packs, but I don't have £10-£20 spare that I would want to spend on addon packs.


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Haven Studios
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Posted: 14th Jul 2008 19:49 Edited at: 14th Jul 2008 19:49
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I bought 3 of there products I get a

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Venge
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Well, let's see...I've got DBC from way back when, and now I use Visual Studio. But obviously since I haven't got all the TGC products, there is no chance of me making a "decent game". Darn.

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Sunflash
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Posted: 14th Jul 2008 20:31 Edited at: 14th Jul 2008 20:34
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I'm helplessly addicted to TGC Products. Next on my list, buy more of the FPSC model packs. From the several I own, they are REALLY good qaulity and worth the measly $20 for each. I buy them mostly for DBPro though

Also, I bought TreeMagik G2/G3 from the AlienCodec site before TGC bought them out, but someone in my family reformatted the computers hardrive without telling me (it was a family computer) and so I lost it. I went back to AlienCodec.com to see if I could get it back, as I was sure they would have a history of my purchase, but by then TGC bought them out:-(

EDIT: A word to the wise, if any of you are like me, don't purchase multiple DLL's at the same time. You will get tied up with one, and eventually lose interst in the other. This happened to me with DarkPhysics and Dark AI. As a result I really haven't fully learned either:-(

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Ed222
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Posted: 14th Jul 2008 20:33 Edited at: 14th Jul 2008 20:34
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I have DBP and had DBC thats means I only have two product
that also mean

[dramatic music]

oh the horror *Sobbing* I'll never make a decent game *uncontrollable sobbing and blowing nose* Wahhh! I want my mommy


[Back to my normal-self]


Quote: "i'm asking this becouse i'm wondering how many products are needed to make a decent game"


you could make a decent game with only 1 TGC product

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Quote: "Also, I bought TreeMagik G2/G3 from the AlienCodec site before TGC bought them out, but someone in my family reformatted the computers hardrive without telling me (it was a family computer) and so I lost it. I went back to AlienCodec.com to see if I could get it back, as I was sure they would have a history of my purchase, but by then TGC bought them out:-("


Surely TGC would honor past sales of the product?


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In my experience a good game requires a good team of diverse roles, and very good planning. Since the internet will make it hard for you to work with a team, (face it, it's hard to do) I sigest you find other like minded people like yourself that live geographically close to you. If this cannot be done, as is the case with me, then I would focus more on learning the THEORY of gaming, rather than producing random games for fun. Learning the theory will get you farther in life when you eventually go to university.

But if youy can produce nice rich samples, by all means, go for it. You may be able to get scholorships or better employment consideration.

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Sunflash
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Quote: "Surely TGC would honor past sales of the product?
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I actually haven't built up the nerve to ask them. I JUST (last night) asked them to restore an elusive Model Pack 1 to my order history, and a while ago asked them to place DBRO on it, as I own the disk. I may wait awhile, but it's definitely on my mind. G3 was a great program!

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tha_rami
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I have 2, DBC and DBPro. The rest is Maya PLE, DoGa L3, Photoshop 7, Milkspace and MS Notepad.

I'll prove Darkcoder wrong! MS Notepad will allow me to make teh uberpwn MMORPG!


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I have a bunch of DBP, countless DBP expansions, FPSC, 3d World Studio, maybe more...

MISoft Studios - Silver-Dawn

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Quote: "A word to the wise, if any of you are like me, don't purchase multiple DLL's at the same time. You will get tied up with one, and eventually lose interst in the other. This happened to me with DarkPhysics and Dark AI."

The same exact thing happened to me. As a result, I now have two pricey .dll packages that have hardly been touched. But buying them is so addicting..

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Sunflash
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yeah, it's really sad:-(
I need to force myself to make a mini game that utilizes both DLLs, that will help a little.

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Cash Curtis II
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I own pretty much every single TGC product. I'm lacking a couple FPSC model packs, but I'll get them eventually.

The Cloth and Particles pack is really good. You have great control over them and they work how they should. I'm using them in Geisha House. I wish that the Dark Physics particles were half as good. Dark Physics is however by far the best rigid body simulator available, and if you use different physics all you'll get are inferior rigid bodies.

Anyway, all you really NEED to make a decent game is Dark Basic Pro, EZ Rotate, Sparky's collision, and IanM's Matrix1 plugins. All of these plugins are free. Other plugins provide extra functionality, they all make developing something easier. Paid plugins that I use all the time are Dark AI, Dark Physics, Cloth and Particles, and the full version of EZRotate. I'm looking forward to using Enhanced Animations, it lets you do things with animation that DBP can't. DarkLights is great for making an editor, I haven't used it yet but I'm looking forward to it. I have DarkVoices but haven't really implemented it into anything, though I've animated my models in Geisha House for use with it. I bought Styx but it has too many commands that are the same as IanM's so it had to get the boot. I bought LUA Unity but I've replaced it with the free LUA plugin by Barnski and I use it in almost everything that I do.


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AlanC
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I own DBP, FPSC, The 3D Game Maker, and RC (although not a product by TGC)

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Quote: "I own... now let's see here, zero TGC products.
What do I win?
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Then why are you here?


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Uncle Sam
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I own DBC, DBP, two copies of DarkMATTER (came with DBC and DBP, along with those space games) Tree Magik and Plant Life, enhanced animations, Dark AI, and ExGen, in that order I think. I also bought FragMotion (not by TGC, it's www.fragmosoft.com) for creating animations. Wow....at least I got a lot of these as gifts.

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I own a few model packs, fpsc the 3d game maker. and thats it

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Ed222
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Posted: 15th Jul 2008 04:58 Edited at: 15th Jul 2008 05:08
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for a physic engine use could use Dark Physics or we could all save money on the Physics engine and use Newton Game Dynamics www.newtondynamics.com/
which is free and not worry about wasting money when you lose intrest in it.

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Quote: "Then why are you here?
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Because of the community, this is one of the best communities out there in my opinion.


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Ermes
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why not put all plugins together in a unique DBproduct?
i.e. DBPROextended, or DBPROgold edition, and so on...

actually this is an addictive taint for rookie programmers with lots of extension or plugins, people took most of their time purchasing tgc products and collecting it.
i think 90% of users here just collecting things and making some line of code for fun, they are the fulcrum of $$ for TGC, 5% making some little games with 1 or 2 TGC products, and a powerfull 5% making great games using many TGC products joined together, and they are the exposure on the web/market for TGC.
my last two games were posted in a national magazine here in italy, and the games show "coded with Darkbasicpro" in the frontend
a good exposure, and free.
it was my idea to add the recital of what program i used for making the game, dbpro is royaltyfree, but the most of us love to say that, adding a line of text with "coded with...", a gratitude behaviour.

someone has a different opinion? let me know.

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Tom J
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Ive got DBP,DBC,3DWS and Leadwerks (The latter two being made by Leadwerks, not TGC).

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Hey Ermes, good to see you back, old bean!

Although it would be nice to offer all the plugins as a set and give a discount on them, I think there would be some people who would use this negatively to critique how TGC do business. It's a marketing thing really, but if there was a set of plugins then TGC could be accused of falsely selling DBPro at a small price then charging a lot for the 'required' plugins. We know this isn't the case, we know there are alternatives and we know that you won't need every single plugin, but that wouldn't stop some people wording it to suit their own ends.

This is what I have...

Pro Motion
SkyMATTER Pack 1-10
ExGen
Dark Shader
Extends Expansion Pack
Dark Lights
Styx
Dark Physics
Dark AI
SoundMATTER Pack 1-4

Not too shabby, but I won most of those so I haven't spent very much at all on plugins.


less is more, but if less is more how you keeping score?
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Dark Basic Pro
Dark GDK
Sound Matter

And I used to have Dark Basic Classic and Dark Matter (but gave them to a friend)

That's all the TGC content I have, but you may need more to make good 3D games, you may need music, images, textures and 3D models - you can use free content for that or make your own, so my other software has been bought outside of TGC (I don't like the 3D software TGC sells)

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DBPro
DBClassic
Extends Expansion Pack
BlueGui2
DarkScript
FPSC

May get DarkPhysics soon, but its very rarley i buy DLL's as there does tend to be a fair few free ones out there nowerdays, Also i dont think DarkScript is sold on this site as i think i had to go to an external site to buy it, I've also got DBClassic somewhere, but dont use that anymore.

As for DLL's from the forum, im not even going to check, proberley 20 to 30 as i tend to add a DLL to get a single command, then forget about it.

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Well, 3d software TGC is selling is for small wallets,and i must say they do their work , usually i use 3dmax 4.0 or 8.0, because at work we use some rendering programs, i'm wondering how TGC could sell programs like MAYA or 3DMAX...

Hi Van B, nice to see you, i'm happy you're still a mod here.
well, my last game posted here was sundaypanzers, 4 years ago,
then, nothing of finished, a car race game, a wwi flying sim game, some project started and halted in a couple of days...

anyway i'm coding something new here, bah, i'm a bit rusty.

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I have a couple...



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Quote: "I have a couple...
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Wow


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yes, just a couple...

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Well don't you work for TGC so you get everything for free? Or at least a big discount!

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i don't think it's like this. maybe TGC pay BatVink with their products instead of money...

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Quote: "Well don't you work for TGC so you get everything for free? Or at least a big discount"

if you talking about BatVink I think he's a volunteer just like all the mods...or is he hmm...

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it seems that I hit the post button at the same time as some one else again.

Quote: "i don't think it's like this. maybe TGC pay BatVink with their products instead of money..."

that wouldn't be very fair to the other mods would it?

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some time ago someone tell me dogs don't swing their tails for nothing...

Quote: "that wouln't be very fair to the other mods would it?"


maybe they do that with all the mods

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Most of the mods are volunteers aren't they, so they probably don't get paid.


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Quote: "Because of the community, this is one of the best communities out there in my opinion."

I meant what drew you to the community if you have none of the products. Were you just searching game dev forums and came across TGC?


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Mod's dont get paid as they are volunteers, although they do have access to extra boards on the Forumz, (Mod's Only), and i think they get trial versions of software, ect for testing, ect.

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Well Batvink does the newsletter and Jeku (I think?) said mods get a discount

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Here's mine...




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Quote: "I meant what drew you to the community if you have none of the products. Were you just searching game dev forums and came across TGC?
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To be honest, I can't really remember, I think it might just have been that I went to the fpsc website because someone linked me there or something so I checked the forums and I decided to join in and do some 3d work and voila! There's a Alucard94 on the TGC Forums!


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Hmm, I see I am running light




Quote: "Because of the community, this is one of the best communities out there in my opinion.
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Good man... er, girl?

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Mine, although i spend way to much time playing console games to even use them.



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I don't use the TGC products I own (FPSC and a couple model packs) anymore, but I stay because of the community.

Favorite Quote: Dramatized code? Code Drama!

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I own DarkBASIC Classic and FPS Creator Classic.

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Wow, I just realized that there was about a 3 year gap after I purchased DBP before I bought anything else. I guess that's proof that you can make little crappy games like mine with just DBP




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Hey Jeku, how are you likeing Leadwerks engine? I've been considering purchasing it, but it looks kinda like another FPSC.

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I'm not a TGC employee. I used to trade my newsletter tutorials for products when I first started writing them. Now, I see the value in buying a plugin over coding it yourself so I keep buying. I keep my time for doing the fun bits, and let people like Ron (Wolf) solve the difficult stuff.

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i see few people here have more than 2-3 tgc products, the mosts write some line with dbc or dbpro just for killing time, so why purchase a lot of products you never use?

collecting mania!

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