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draknir_
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 12:27
Nothing is going to happen. If something does and we all end up in hell you can make fun of me there.
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 13:07
Even if the world did end, we wouldn't riot/ pray for our souls/ go crazy. No, we would simply continue sleepwalking through life.


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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 14:16
The Bible Code's been done to death, absolutely. The main supporter of Bible Codes said, "well, if the sceptics find references to a political assassination in Moby Dick, then I'll believe that the Bible Codes are false."

So the sceptics took Moby Dick, and did to that text what the Code-man had to the text of the books of the bible. And, boy, did he ever find political assassination references! There's one bit that's littered with references to the death of Princess Diana, and I believe they found references to Martin Luther King.

So, yeah. That made some people look pretty silly.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 18:51
Quote: "Then why would they put a message in that includes the American Calendar, which at the time wasn't even invented."


Our calendar is based off the Romans, which was around before the Bible.
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Quote: "Our calendar is based off the Romans"


Yes but being as jesus was born in Bethlehem, which is in Israel where they use a Jewish calendar, why would they put a Roman date in it.
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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 02:45
well apprantly, the calendar for Mayan whatever, says Dec 21st (I think Dec 21st but definetly in Decmeber) 2012 will be an end of an age. Probably just means crap. Maybe a civil war in Britian not sure. We are going to have to wait until then aren't we?

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 02:59
i think its going to be like the thing in terminator 2....JUDGMENT DAY!

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 03:33
A robot from the future is going to come back to the past, blows lots of things up and then say a few corny lines?
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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 03:42
The end of the world at 2012 is a misinterpretation. The Mayan calender keeps track of the sun's orbit in the milky way. It's not the end of the world, its the end of an age. 2012 is just transition from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius. 12 ages in 1 complete cycle around the galaxy.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

But of course the end of the world sounds a lot more exciting, and a lot more marketable.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 04:45 Edited at: 14th Aug 2008 04:46
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I read all your posts, they'r my favorites! They actualy make sense and they actualy say more than just an opinion. Most other posts are just similar to my post above. But this, for me atleast, raises and interesting question... Or maybe not so interesting...: why do you know so much about the Aztecs?"

I tend to be interested in everything I do not know yet in an almost obsessive fashion. Really, it's bad. If any of you uses a word I do not know, I immediately Google or look it up in a dictionary to learn it's meaning (and if possible, it's origin or etymology. If any of you tell something I didn't know yet, I'll go check it and learn about it as much as I can. After 4 year at highschool, it didn't surprise teachers I read my books within two weeks and learned almost a half years worth in that time.

Some people call me, what was the word, gifted. I disagree, I'm not gifted, nor highly intelligent, nor a genius. I'm just a normal guy (as far as you can consider a game designer normal), but highly investigative. And chaotic, for that matter.

The prophecy thing has been around for a few years, and due to it coming up so much, I just know a lot about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an expert on any field besides a few, I only know what you can expect someone with a healthy interest in something would know.

Oh, and two more things: First thing: Aztec does not equal Mayan (although they lived in the same area). Second thing: It's tha_rami, not the.


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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 11:24
Quote: "It's not the end of the world, its the end of an age. 2012 is just transition from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius."


No no no!

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 12:59
The world was meant to end in 1999/2000, it never. The world was then to end 3-5 years later because "Jesus" was supposivly meant to have been born later on than he was, the world did not end.

What makes anyone think the world is going to end in 2012?

We will still be here millions of years into the future, though the earth might be a little roughed up by then, but we will be here.

Not everything you read online is true.

Hmmm

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 13:18 Edited at: 14th Aug 2008 16:21
Quote: "He stoped paying his gas bills and they cut of his gas."


Why did he stop???
it was such a
Quote: "Little Bill"

anyone get me?

and guys, I realy did shake my eightball, were screwed. unless we look at higgins post ^^(that there was just a random guess, we should look at all.)
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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 16:06
Tatters you may have to check it again. Mine one says "My sources say no."lol


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Mine told me to go eat pie.

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I think little bills theory is the best yet

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 16:51 Edited at: 14th Aug 2008 17:10
I didn't read the entire thread but, I've heard many thing about this date.

1. The mayan or Inca calendar end in 2012. And, when an Inca or Mayan calendar end, that mean the end of 1 world... Why 1 world instead of simply "the world" ... don't know ...

2. The cunjunction and alignment between many important components of our solar system (if I remind, sun, earth, moon, planets, a certain axis from our galaxy) with the poles aligned too !!! That may cause havoc to the way the electricity work... It may cause the invertion of the polarity of the earth ... and then a reverse to the electric system. What does this mean ?
No more electricity on earth ... some sort of new start for humans :p but ... don't forget that our brain work with small electricity amount ... which impact this reverse may have on our electricity ?

I know these are "catastrophic" prophecy ... and I think we shouldn't really take care about this ... Simply live our live the best we can to be the most honest and happy... and after this .. If we all die on this date ... have no regrets

It was my phylosophic though of the day :p

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 16:58
Quote: "The end of the world at 2012 is a misinterpretation. The Mayan calender keeps track of the sun's orbit in the milky way. It's not the end of the world, its the end of an age. 2012 is just transition from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius. 12 ages in 1 complete cycle around the galaxy."


Thankyou. Now can we all stop stocking up on tinned food and looting?

Quote: "If any of you uses a word I do not know, I immediately Google or look it up in a dictionary to learn it's meaning"


lol, I do the same thing. Although I think that's more for my vocabulary than compulsive interest. I face discrimination and prejudice for it every day. People approach me on the street and ask me what the defenition of something is and I am immediately obligated to find the answer. It ruined my life. My wife left me. Took all seven of our children. She even took my childhood possessions in the divorce settlement. Since then, I've lived my life scoping out new words in the dictionary and telling myself that everything is gonna get better.

And that's my tragic story.


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Robert F
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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 17:19
Quote: "And, when an Inca or Mayan calendar end, that mean the end of 1 world... Why 1 world instead of simply "the world" ... "


Ahh so this is when we blow pluto up.
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Just as well, I'm sick of those Plutonians lording it over me. Nuke 'em all, I say!


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Pluto... PSH. Not even worthy of being called a planet. What sad race of beings lives there.

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Ones that look like this:

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I take offense that you say my self portrait looks like a Plutonian!

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Your self-portrait looks like a Plutonian.


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You know what, I think it's not real. they said that the year 2000 was gonna be the end too, but were still around now.
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If anyone actually reads what I post along this thread, they'd have known the truth by now. Let me take some of those points over again:

The Mayan calendar does not end in 2012. Only the short count, which the Mayans didn't even use, will reach its '31 december 1999' on that day. This is called the end of a baktun, a period that is written as 13.0.0.0.0. Now, we don't need to worry, because there are far larger units than that in the calendar. So, the long count calendar will just flip to 1.0.0.0.0.0. Since short count calendars only indicate 5 digits, that will look like a total flip to us, but it isn't. The Mayans wouldn't care. They've extended their calender a lot of times because they just didn't account for the fact they'd be around so long (their original Mayan calender accounted for less than a year, which they extended to 52 years, and then to the current system). According to most sources, the next unit of the Mayan calender (piktun) wouldn't run out until around the year 5000. After which it will just flip over to the next unit.

The lining of the galactic stuff will not affect the Earth magnetism. Heck, the sun shifts its magnetism once in 7-12 years and we don't mind that. Also, since the inversion of our magnetic field has recurred on seemingly random times in the past, there is no way to say we're overdue (although most claim it to happen within 4000 years).

According to some patterns that one could see, we could be, but seen the completely irregular distribution of the inversions, I would not think so. Also, there is no proof whatsoever that the magnetic field would completely disappear. Actually, the dinosaurs survived several inversions of the field. All we know is that it is possible for it to screw up our communications. Most scientists believe that ionisation from the sun might give us shielding from its own UV.

For Yellowstone Park, also, there is no indication that it's going to blow. Consider that the geysers and all the activity around the place are keeping the super volcano under-pressurized for a true eruption. As far as I know, every serious scientists claims the area to be totally safe. If anything, an Earthquake could trigger a minor eruption (not a major one, again due to lack of pressure). Keep in mind that it is the most monitored super volcano you'll find around.


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Quote: "If anyone actually reads what I post along this thread, they'd have known the truth by now. Let me take some of those points over again:

The Mayan calendar does not end in 2012. Only the short count, which the Mayans didn't even use, will reach its '31 december 1999' on that day. This is called the end of a baktun, a period that is written as 13.0.0.0.0. Now, we don't need to worry, because there are far larger units than that in the calendar. So, the long count calendar will just flip to 1.0.0.0.0.0. Since short count calendars only indicate 5 digits, that will look like a total flip to us, but it isn't. The Mayans wouldn't care. They've extended their calender a lot of times because they just didn't account for the fact they'd be around so long (their original Mayan calender accounted for less than a year, which they extended to 52 years, and then to the current system). According to most sources, the next unit of the Mayan calender (piktun) wouldn't run out until around the year 5000. After which it will just flip over to the next unit.

The lining of the galactic stuff will not affect the Earth magnetism. Heck, the sun shifts its magnetism once in 7-12 years and we don't mind that. Also, since the inversion of our magnetic field has recurred on seemingly random times in the past, there is no way to say we're overdue (although most claim it to happen within 4000 years).

According to some patterns that one could see, we could be, but seen the completely irregular distribution of the inversions, I would not think so. Also, there is no proof whatsoever that the magnetic field would completely disappear. Actually, the dinosaurs survived several inversions of the field. All we know is that it is possible for it to screw up our communications. Most scientists believe that ionisation from the sun might give us shielding from its own UV.

For Yellowstone Park, also, there is no indication that it's going to blow. Consider that the geysers and all the activity around the place are keeping the super volcano under-pressurized for a true eruption. As far as I know, every serious scientists claims the area to be totally safe. If anything, an Earthquake could trigger a minor eruption (not a major one, again due to lack of pressure). Keep in mind that it is the most monitored super volcano you'll find around.
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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:48 Edited at: 14th Aug 2008 22:49
Quote: "If anyone actually reads what I post along this thread, they'd have known the truth by now."


Quote: "Some people call me, what was the word, gifted."


Oh I see, you have all the answers do you? Your posts in this thread make you sound more and more like David Brent

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In 50 years we will look back and laugh at the people who put weight behind prophecies from ancient civilizations. In my opinion the likes of disease and plague may be the end of us in the end, but to even worry about the end of the world is insane.


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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:29
Unless we can do something about it.

I just have this image of mankind doing the sort of thing they did in Armageddon, with the asteroid. Even though it wouldn't help.

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Here's what mankind should do. Have a fixer-upper montage 70's style. We'd all pull together with our hammers, paint cans and cement mixers and get Earth back on it's feet accompanied by a funky song and have a collective fist-throwing "yeah!" at the end.


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sorry, I didn't read every post... read the first, and then skimmed through. I wanted to say something about a point made in the first post, sorry if it's been discussed already...

Quote: "Most of us have heard all of the reasons behind 2012. The prophecies"


I'm not aiming to make this a religious debate at all, I just read that and wanted to clarify something. What prophecies are you referring to? Because if it's Biblical prophecies you're referencing I want to say that nowhere in the Bible does it give you a date or even a year, or an approximate date. The Bible makes it VERY clear that no one knows, "not even the angels". So no prophet knew, no prophet knows, when the Apocalypse or "End of the World" or whatever will be. And even then, it's not really going to be an END. But rather a beginning. The world isn't going to ever be freed of life. If anyone cares enough, I'll back up what I say with Biblical references... but I know we're supposed to refrain from religious debates on the forums, so I'm not going to go any deeper than that.

Quote: "In 50 years we will look back and laugh at the people who put weight behind prophecies from ancient civilizations. In my opinion the likes of disease and plague may be the end of us in the end, but to even worry about the end of the world is insane."

I half agree with you. As I am very religious, I don't agree with the first part completely. I definitely don't believe that any "wise" or "smart" man can prophesy, even if he claims he can. So in 50years from now we'll look on a lot of these "prophesies" and laugh. And your last part I completely agree. There is NO reason to worry about the end of the world. If it's going to happen... it's going to happen. Why live in fear? That's just stupid. Just live a good life.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 02:59
Quote: "There is NO reason to worry about the end of the world. If it's going to happen... it's going to happen. Why live in fear?"

As the great Franklin Roosevelt said, "The only thing to fear, is fear itself."

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Quote: "Oh I see, you have all the answers do you? Your posts in this thread make you sound more and more like David Brent."

Jeku, Jeku, Jeku. You of all people should know you took that wáy out of context .

But, yes, as far as this Mayan thing is concerned, the whole theory is based on the fact that the Mayan calender ends in 2012 - which it doesn't. I think RUCCUS is closer to the truth, although most likely, he's wrong as well.

I guess quite some people will be winning the Darwin award in 2012, though, for removing themselves from the human genetic pool due to mass suicide, like with Y2K.


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Quote: "Here's what mankind should do. Have a fixer-upper montage 70's style. We'd all pull together with our hammers, paint cans and cement mixers and get Earth back on it's feet accompanied by a funky song and have a collective fist-throwing "yeah!" at the end."
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Quote: "I guess quite some people will be winning the Darwin award in 2012, though, for removing themselves from the human genetic pool due to mass suicide, like with Y2K."


Do you really think anyone will commit suicide just because it's 2012? Loonies commit suicide all the time--- every day, but mass suicide because of a tired old prophecy? Honestly if it happens, I hope they kill themselves before procreating


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 22:46 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 22:46
@ Jeku

You obviously have too much faith in human intelligence.

I've read, seen and heard so many examples of idiocy that it would certainly not surpise me a bit if anyone actually did that.

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Sure, crazy people may commit suicide here and there. But mass suicide? Unlikely.


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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 00:48 Edited at: 16th Aug 2008 00:48
I'm sure the ones who really believes everything will go down in 2012 keeps in touch with others of similar faith. Not much is going to stop them from committing suicide, nothing can stop them.

Have a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicide

People have killed themselves in great numbers for sillier things than this. Like the alien spaceship one.

The 2012 theories are widespread and plenty of, but they share one common end-result. I wouldn't put it past me. Maybe unlikely, but remember, we have emo's now.

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Quote: "but to even worry about the end of the world is insane."


I agree with you Jeku on this last little bit, but for a different reason.

These are my own personal beliefs and I'm not directly attacking anyone. The Bible says none on earth know when the world will end, and I believe that. And whenever that day comes, I'm ready. Sure, thinking about the end of the world can be a little scary, even to me, but I have nothing to fear.

I need to get out of this thread, I start reading it all and can't stop. Before I know it, I've been here 15 minutes (or more)!

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The end of the world began when humanity started.

The end of humanity will be the re-birth of Earth, where chipmunks will gain considerable intelligence and form democracies, societies and work towards cultural advancement. The pollution will dissipate, nature will reclaim our cities and dinosaurs will come out of the caves they've been hiding in and will live in blissful harmony alongside their chipmunk brethren.


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Quote: "but mass suicide because of a tired old prophecy?"

I wouldn't be surprised if some crazy people living in some out-of-the-way American desert commit mass suicide. Though that would be a real tragedy.

Quote: "The end of humanity will be the re-birth of Earth, where chipmunks will gain considerable intelligence and form democracies, societies and work towards cultural advancement. The pollution will dissipate, nature will reclaim our cities and dinosaurs will come out of the caves they've been hiding in and will live in blissful harmony alongside their chipmunk brethren."

I'll assume you're joking. But, this opens an interesting debate: what is the "purpose" of earth? To create life and continue to be what it has been for millions of years, viz. a well-oiled machine for creating life, but one which is constantly cruel to its animal inhabitants as they desperately struggle for survival?
Or, to witness the birth of more sentient life (us) and have that cycle broken - to let us build a world which (generally) has less suffering, but which is always on the brink of deliberate, determined cruelty and could eventually destroy the very planet which gave rise to it?

Okay, I'll stop now cos I sound like a philosophising tree-hugger or something.

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Quote: "what is the "purpose" of earth?"

That raises another question: Why would you assume a gravitational formation of stellar debris would ever have a purpose? Because we live on it? Does Mars have a purpose? Does Gliese 876 d have a purpose?

Quote: "Do you really think anyone will commit suicide just because it's 2012? Loonies commit suicide all the time--- every day, but mass suicide because of a tired old prophecy? Honestly if it happens, I hope they kill themselves before procreating "

That's why I referred to the Darwin Awards. The Darwin Awards are a sort of sarcastic internet anti-prize for those friendly enough to remove themselves from the genetic pool due to an act of stupidity before procreating.


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Quote: "Now I was thinking and the bible thing cannot be true unless, it was written a little bit later in time.

Point A. If the bible was first written in hebrew, which was spoken in Israel... Then why would they put a message in that includes the American Calendar, which at the time wasn't even invented.

Point B. Even if there is a secret message in the bible, the original hebrew calendar, would have a leap year every 2 or 3 years. Every normal year being 354 days while a leap year would have 384. If you added 4 years with one of them being a leap year it comes to 1446 days.

The American Calendar(Gregorian), has a leap year every four years, with 365 Days a year on a normal year and 366 days on a leap year, add them together to get 1461 days.

Now after 2008 years that would offset the gregorian calendar by 30,120 days, which is 82.5 years.
So the 2012 in the bible will happen in May of 2090"


The little that the Bible says about when the world will end is somewhere along the lines of "No one will know when it will happen until it happens."

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I say good riddance to suicide groups, they fail at basic logic.

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Quote: "I say good riddance to suicide groups, they fail at basic logic."


Agreed.

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Quote: "I say good riddance to suicide groups, they fail at basic logic.

"Something might happen in the future that will kill me, I should kill myself to avoid being killed.""

Yep. Basically, their logic is, "When the going gets even the slightest bit tough, we just quit."

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 09:23
For those not quite up on the whole logic or story behind the 21st December 2012 "Doomsday" thing; it is all derived from the Mayan Long Count Calender system, along with their belief that we are currently in the Fourth Age of Man.

Each "Age of Man" previously lasted 5126 Years 132 Days Long; the Third Age ending with an acient civilisation becoming buried underneath the water by some acient god (Tihokan iirc)

Anywho, with the history lesson over; the Mayan Calender begins 11th August 3113 BC. Making the next time this event is predicted to happen (in the 13th B'Ak'Tun) falls on 21st December 2012.

Although something to note is that the Mayans not only believe in time being cyclic; meaning that it is likely they would've seen the end of the Calender and start of a new age as a time of celebration... more to back this up is a number of dates combine 2 MLC dates to provide and even further date.

So it is obviously believed by the Mayans themselves that the world itself won't end. Although it is not sure if they did see some major disaster happening. For that though they had a different prediction system, that often they used to predict military victories. Forget what it's called right now, but it has been proven scientifically to be a fairly accurate means of prediction. Still don't know anyone who has run it to see if there is any form of disaster that will occur at the end of the MLC.

You can honestly believe what you want about it all, but to me it's quite a fascinating subject. Stuff like this does fascinate me though, because there are some sort of benine inteligence that follows such things given the technology these people had; their astonomy and time keeping was truely remarkable. It has been often remarked that it is interesting that despite their Technology Tier they were extremely advanced as a society and people.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 13:41
Quote: "That raises another question: Why would you assume a gravitational formation of stellar debris would ever have a purpose? Because we live on it? Does Mars have a purpose? Does Gliese 876 d have a purpose?"

I do feel rather stupid for the way I worded that. The question should not be "what is Earth's purpose?" but "what is the best 'path' it can take?" I'm not even sure about that question, since "path" suggests sentience, and the planet's not been doing much thinking lately.

I also used "best", which I think fits well into the question, because then you have to address the question of what exactly this "best" means. Best for who? For what? Do we put ourselves above the potential species which might exist after we are extinct? Or are we above animals - and do we "deserve" to try and go directly against nature?

I'm aware that I'm using a lot of words that really don't mean anything. I suppose that, essentially, this is an atheistic question (or even a theistic question as long as the God is purposeless) in that it's looking for guidelines.

On second thoughts, it's probably best to stop right there, since there are no religious discussions I've ever had on a forum that didn't end up in escalating flamewars and a locked thread.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 17:34
Quote: "I wouldn't be surprised if some crazy people living in some out-of-the-way American desert commit mass suicide. Though that would be a real tragedy."


I'd disagree. If you're stupid enough to join a cult, I could care less if you off yourself.


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Posted: 16th Aug 2008 18:00
I'm sure Jerico, that you might feel differently if it was someone you knew. Especially if you didn't expect it to happen.

Now, not trying to justify it, but it is a tragedy that people can be like that.

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