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Omega gamer 89
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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:39
Quote: "if Einstein were to claim Netwton's theory of gravitation was incorrect(opinion) he would be wasting his time designing a new theory,"

Yes, he would. The theory of Gravity has already been proven as FACT, and is therefore not a theory anymore. You cannot disprove a fact. If it can be disproved, it is NOT a fact.
Quote: "Besides things like smell can be tested, how do we know animals such as dogs have far more sensitive smell? We aren't that primordial in biology."

Yes, we can test smell, taste, etc... We can test how many of a certain chemical make up a certain smell, we can test how many people like the taste of a certain chemical. But we CANNOT test whether a chemical tastes/smells good, because "good" is subjective to the testers own preferences. Dogs like the taste of dog food, or even their own crap! But humans (for the most part) find these things to be disgusting.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:41
yes, I ORIGINALLY said that, but I more recently Restated that the debate was about which is more popular. "Better" is far too general a term. AND I admitted that pancakes are winning.
But NOW I am arguing that you cannot PROVE an opinion. (Such as Pancakes > waffles.)

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:43
Quote: "Yes, he would. The theory of Gravity has already been proven as FACT, and is therefore not a theory anymore. You cannot disprove a fact. If it can be disproved, it is NOT a fact."


Actually, Einstein theorized some alterations to the gravitational theory, if I'm not mistaken.

Quote: "Yes, we can test smell, taste, etc... We can test how many of a certain chemical make up a certain smell, we can test how many people like the taste of a certain chemical. But we CANNOT test whether a chemical tastes/smells good, because "good" is subjective to the testers own preferences. Dogs like the taste of dog food, or even their own crap! But humans (for the most part) find these things to be disgusting."


Quote: "Pancakes have been shown to have more flavour, this is a scientific fact."


Emphasis added. He said more, not better.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:44
I think you should spend your free time doing more constructive things than arguing on the internet with people you don't even know.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:45
But even if you can prove that they have more flavor chemicals, you cannot prove that those flavor chemicals taste better, or even that they taste good, because
THAT.
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SUBJECTIVE.


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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:45 Edited at: 14th Aug 2008 22:47
Quote: "Dogs like the taste of dog food"


You're claiming this as fact here, thus you're contradicting yourself. I'm sure some dogs don't like dog food, but the majority of dogs do, as this food was designed for them, thus you can say( as you did) that dogs like dog food. By the same token, we can say that humans like pancakes and waffles, but as evidenced by this thread and I'm sure any survey, the majority like pancakes, thus we can say pancakes taste better, after all they are foods, not exactly known for their presentation but their taste, how can you argue this?

Oh and Einstein's General theory of relativity is more accurate and thus discounted Newton's theory of gravitation despite it being widely accepted as fact at the time, gravity is still a theory remember as we don't fully understand it.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:46
Quote: "I think you should spend your free time doing more constructive things than arguing on the internet with people you don't even know."


I normally do, but I'm in school now waiting for class to end. I've already finished the assignment, so now I'm passing the time by proving a point.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:47
Quote: "But even if you can prove that they have more flavor chemicals, you cannot prove that those flavor chemicals taste better, or even that they taste good, because
THAT.
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Now you're just trolling. We claimed more, nothing else. /argument

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:47
But your point is subjective. It's only your opinion that you can't prove an opinion.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:48
Quote: "I normally do, but I'm in school now waiting for class to end. I've already finished the assignment, so now I'm passing the time by proving a point."


I wish I could do that. v.v

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:50 Edited at: 14th Aug 2008 22:54
Quote: "Dogs like the taste of dog food,"

I did not mean to state this as fact, I apologize is it seemed that way.
I meant that the majority of dogs will eat dog food, THIS is fact.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:52
Quote: "Now you're just trolling. We claimed more, nothing else. /argument
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I am not trolling. I agreed with your argument that you can prove they have more flavor-causing chemicals.
My rebuttal was that those chemicals do NOT make them better.
More does not mean better. Its about QUALITY not QUANTITY.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:55
Quote: "I am not trolling. I agreed with your argument that you can prove they have more flavor-causing chemicals.
My rebuttal was that those chemicals do NOT make them better.
More does not mean better. Its about QUALITY not QUANTITY."


Quote: "Pancakes have been shown to have more flavour, this is a scientific fact."


We only claimed more. We aren't trying to say that more makes them taste better. I don't even think they are better. I like both. Just keep your argument focused on what we said. Rabbit-trailing is the quickest way to get people not to listen to you. Remember that; it will help you one day.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 22:58
Well, if you are not trying to say that "more=better", then why say there is more in the first place? Its pointless.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:04
I was just defending Benjamin's original point. I'm neutral on this. I like both.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:05
Okay, just saying.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:18 Edited at: 1st Sep 2008 05:21
Quote: "They're both disgusting and unhealthy."


That is a darned dirty lie. Anyways, I like them both equally, but French Toast is the better of the three, even though I'm American.


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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:22
*GASP!* YOU TRAITOR!!!! All REAL Americans call it "Freedom toast"! Just like "Freedom fries"!

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lol, yeah, I like French toast, too.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:29
I wonder if Dawno appreciates you spamming his thread with crap? Maybe you should have done the normal thing when a thread no longer has a purpose and let it drop of the first page.

Oh well, soon as I didn't get to post this in the Obama thread before it got locked: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

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Posted: 14th Aug 2008 23:48
I hope we have those TGC thread awards this year, this thread will surely win a couple.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 00:10
Quote: "This makes no sense in and of itself. You can't say that many people having one opinion makes that opinion a fact. It is still an OPINION."


It's true, some people do have the opinion that waffles are better than pancakes, but their opinion is incorrect. It doesn't mean they can't have that opinion, it's just that they shouldn't because they are wrong. Pancakes are high in taste-to-weight ratio, and their fluffiness content is almost double.

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Quote: "Oh well, soon as I didn't get to post this in the Obama thread before it got locked: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4"


I can't believe you rickrolled me >.<


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 01:10
Quote: "This topic is now a serious and well organized debate about which is better: Waffles or pancakes"


Should we ask a mod to change the thread title?

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 01:28
Omega gamer 89, you're pretentious arguements are starting to wear thin now. Don't you know that anyone who enjoys pancakes are automatically fat, lazy, slow, stupid and American? THAT'S the scientific proof. On a psychological level, many people may prefer waffles because of the elevated fat and sugar content to which they are accustomed. Why do you think McDonald's is so successful? Many people are overweight and because of their diet/lifestlye, they naturally gravitate towards fatty, unhealthy foods. HOWEVER! This does not in any way mean that waffles are better. That's like saying Burger King has higher quality food than Bella Italia. Now pancakes are far from healthy, but nor do they have the fat and sugar contents that lure in the mindless, obese masses. Now less fat and sugar is a general indication of healthier food, so it is thus more physically fulfilling. But the fat and stupid people who eat waffles won't value this information. It will be a turn-off. But the intelligent, healthier-eating people will see the value of pancakes and rise above the lure of the waffle's "fatty food in three minutes." By investing more time in the preperation and having greater control over the contents, there will be a greater pay-off.

Now no-one can "scientifically prove" which tastes better- this is a matter of personal opinion- but having a collective opinion can often be enough to sway an argument such as this. So if we were to base this on which gets more votes, then pancakes would win because the greater collective opinion has been accepted as fact. It won't actually prove that pancakes taste better, but it will prove that most people have the opinion that pancakes taste better. Which brings me back to my point that better taste is based on opinion, not fact. Therefore, the greater opinion decides which is publically accepted to taste better. The winner: pancakes. The loser: Omega gamer 89.

There's your Epic Fail.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 01:28 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 01:29
Nah, then it wouldn't seem as off topic.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 03:53
Pancakes:
* Unlike its cratered cousin, the waffle, it is superior in its ability to act like a sponge and absorb the syrup with which it is often covered with; whereas the waffle simply forces the sweet, viscous liquid into the confined nooks covering its top and bottom surfaces.
* Can come in a wider variety of shapes and sizes; whereas most waffles tend to be either circular or rectangular (with perforations), or occasionally in the shape of mickey mouse's head.
* Designed with the common man in mind. All that is required for pancake generation is a simple frying pan - while waffle-generation requires that a special utensil be purchased.
* Pancakes are quite pleasant to look at and were used to soothe anxious or nervous patients during the 19th century.
* Pancakes have been proven to be much more successful then waffles at winning "fights to the death".
* Can be used for napkins, plates, hats, shoes, body-armor, cushions, frisbees and as wall decorations.
* Are much more aerodynamic than waffles, as demonstrated by pancake's ability to remain airborne when flipped, while the waffle tends to fall like an lead weight when flipped.
* Outnumber the waffle 5 to one. At diners, you can get a whole stack of five, fluffy, buttermilk pancakes for the price of one rock-hard Belgian waffle that was probably frozen.
* Can cure any illness whatsoever. Waffles only cause them.

At one point, the US Air force considered using giant pancakes as a vertical takeoff/landing fighter but a majority of pilots were unable to differentiate its front and back ends; rendering navigation well-nigh impossible. This problem was further compounded by the tendency of said pilots to mark the dorsal-anterior end by biting it - but then become overwhelmed by its spongy goodness and consume a fair portion of the aircraft. The Flying Flapjack sized in at an amazing 26 feet 8 inches in diameter, making it easily the biggest pancake in the world. Unfortunately, due to drastic budget cuts on the project, the airforce was forced to cancel its pancake airfoil projects and settled instead for a nice, tasty breakfast.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 04:11
Why not just eat French Toast?
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 05:53 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 05:57


Quite a long Photoshop, But I think it turned out well.

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Hahahaha, that's the best photoshop I've ever seen!

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ummm....I did *runs away and crys
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I'm still laughing at that photoshop lol.

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I know it totally made my day.
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 08:07 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 08:31
Wow. I think Omega lied to me earlier. Earlier, he told me that someone was gonna prove an opinion to be true, and that he was owning whoever was doing it. But Omega got destroyed.

Here's what I see - after reading all 132 messages that I saw before I made this post, my conclusion is that pancakes are better than waffles by several definitions of "better".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/better
According to what's been posted, more people believe pancakes to be better by definition #1.
By definitions 3 and 4, pancakes actually seem to be better than waffles as a fact.

It would appear that, by definition 13, pancakes are the better of waffles.

The other definitions really can't be applied to this discussion in any meaningful way.



EDIT: By the way, what does the following mean, if anything? http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Pancakes&word2=Waffles
Robert F
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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 14:18 Edited at: 15th Aug 2008 14:20
Actually you are wrong.

On definitions 3 & 4 they give the examples

They are no better than thieves.
and
a better time for action.

It says no where that pancakes are better so its changeable to

They are no better than waffles
and
A better time for waffles

Quote: "It would appear that, by definition 13, pancakes are the better of waffles."


It would appear that the majority of people on this site like pancakes more than waffles... but look at this site

http://jyte.com/cl/pancakes-are-better-than-waffles

and If you want to go by majority rules, you will have to ask the entire world.
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Quote: "and If you want to go by majority rules, you will have to ask the entire world. "


No you don't, you're saying all surveys are incorrect because they failed to ask everyone on Earth? This is essentially a survey, most people stated pancakes are better thus going by this data at hand we can say pancakes are better. We could make it more accurate by asking a wider range of people, maybe even ones outside of the community. But with such a landslide in favour of pancakes and not forgetting many people who have posted here live in different countries, don't know each other etc, we can conclude it's quite a successful survey, even if the amount of samples was a bit short.

It just seems like the people in favour of waffles are fanboys of it, they are almost brainwashed into believing they taste better despite all the evidence to the contrary, such people are clearly delusional. So I'm sure waffles have the potential to taste nice, but lets face it, it's just copying pancakes. As mentioned above waffles are harder to make and require a waffle iron or something similar, pancakes merely require a heated surface. You might be confused into thinking waffles taste better by sampling some toppings that were first used on pancakes and thus your brain associates such a flavour with waffles and biasing your opinion against pancakes but as I just mentioned, pancakes are much simpler to construct thus such toppings were clearly originally tried on pancakes before such waffle irons were ever constructed.

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I dont belive the mods aint locked this yet, and that there allowing it


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Quote: "I dont belive the mods aint locked this yet, and that there allowing it"


The Great Waffle/Pancake Debate is a topic that must be talked about.


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I find it funny that some of the smartest people on the board have contributed the longest posts.

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Yes, but the Waffle/Pancake topic is usually a very serious one. Usually, it's also labeled Waffles vs Pancakes instead of Candle_?.


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Quote: "I find it funny that some of the smartest people on the board have contributed the longest posts."

On the contrary, most of my posts have been fairly short.

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Lol.

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thats not possible?


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Posted: 15th Aug 2008 22:23
Waffles are way better.

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You fatty.


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Quote: "Actually you are wrong.

On definitions 3 & 4 they give the examples

They are no better than thieves.
and
a better time for action.

It says no where that pancakes are better so its changeable to

They are no better than waffles
and
A better time for waffles"


You rattled off the examples of definitions 2 and 3, not 3 and 4. Also, I have no idea what you're trying to do to the examples.

Definition 3: "of superior suitability, advisability, desirability, acceptableness, etc." - Pancakes may be a better-advised choice for consumption than waffles because of the higher sugar content of waffles that has been mentioned in this thread.

Definition 4: "larger; greater" - I see no room for dispute here. Look at how much empty space there is in a waffle, thanks to all the nooks and crannies. The pancake fills out its entire volume quite nicely.

That is why I cited definitions 3 and 4, not example usages 2 and 3.
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WOW. This thread is still alive.
I don't have time to go back and read all the posts, so I'm just gonna give my final statement.

Opinion = Someone's personal view of something.
Fact = Something that can be PROVEN.
Waffles > Pancakes. (In MY OPINION)
Pancakes > Waffles. (In most of your opinions.)

I will now leave this thread and (hopefully) never come back.

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Quote: "
Opinion = Someone's personal view of something.
Fact = Something that can be PROVEN.
Waffles > Pancakes. (In MY OPINION)
Pancakes > Waffles. (In most of your opinions.)"


Opinion = Your personal view of Waffles
Fact = Our personal view of Waffles (CRAP)
Waffles > Pancakes. (In YOUR OPINION.)
Pancakes > Waffles. (Scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.)


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Quote: "Opinion = Your personal view of Waffles
Fact = Our personal view of Waffles (CRAP)
Waffles > Pancakes. (In YOUR OPINION.)
Pancakes > Waffles. (Scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.)"


You, sir, just earned yourself one Internet. Enjoy.

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