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tha_rami
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Quote: "Like I recently heard in Amsterdam, "Here we have marijuana, in America you have guns. Which do you think is worse?""

That really sounds like something a Dutch guy would say, lol.


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In reality though, the US does have marijuana too, albeit illegally. But I guess that goes for most countries.

On a related story, two girls where caught at the Norwegian/Swedish border recently, on their way to oslo with 3kg cocaine in their panties. I lol'd.

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Quote: "On a related story, two girls where caught at the Norwegian/Swedish border recently, on their way to oslo with 3kg cocaine in their panties. I lol'd.
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Yeah, I lol'd as well


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Cash Curtis II
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I bet they weren't lol'ing. They must have been big girls, hiding 6 pounds of anything there.


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Jeremiah
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Maybe I am selfish that way, but I don't like my country or my government and I am actually a commie terrorist. Yep, I am currently developing a game where you smuggles snuggles into the country and he launches attacks agains the us infrastructure by poisoning fabric sheets.
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Posted: 19th Aug 2008 01:44 Edited at: 19th Aug 2008 01:47
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When it comes to patriotism, I think you should be patriotic of the people, their needs, your friends and your family, unfortunately 'patriotism' can carry what the armed forces and government may convince you. I think fighting for a real cause is a good thing, but I wonder how many people, especially in recent wars have died for nothing?


Military provides great benefits, but at the end of the day is it worth it? It can provide great character building, but like said it can break it - do you know what did great work for my character building? Shotokan Karate. Benefits and qualifications? I've taken out a student loan and gone onto uni - hardwork in a industry will pay that off.

But if anybody wanted to deny me my freedom, that includes my freedom of choice to join the military (if I was forced to conscribe I'd fight against it, because I wouldn't want to) and I think some of these 'freedom' compromisers are a bit closer to home than terrorists.

It's your choice at the end of the day, military can provide different experiences, some good, some bad - my Dad was in the Air Force, he found ways to amuse himself and wind up superior officers, he went to the Falklands and made it back without a scratch, he had a good time and the benefits meant he could get a job to support his family. Just don't make a decision based just on the benefits, its your life your gambling with, the lives of your closest friends, the lives of your family, (statistically speaking not a huge number of soldiers die in these conflicts, but you know things happen. (Someone who was on the Ozark Games forum that was an FPSC and Torque user who made a slight appearance here died in Afghanistan from a grenade)) the lives of anybody you may be asked to kill/attack/bomb/etc. some of which could well be collateral damage and the lives of their families? And what if the cause you thought you were fighting for turned out to be the wrong one, like Vietnam.

This is a serious decision my friend and I wouldn't want you to make the wrong one.

You sir have the moral ambivalence of a mutated shrimp!
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@Jenkins:

I have a few words of advice to add to what Cash Curtis the Second has said, even though you've apparently already decided.

I've met a bunch of guys that joined for the college money and they are the ones that hate it the most. Although, the upside to joining for the college money is that you can reap the benefits while you're in, instead of waiting til your 2, 4, or 6 (like this smart guy) years are up, because the Army provides $3500/year in tuition assistance, which can be increased with a commander's approval, and only has to be repaid if you don't pass your classes. I'm pretty sure there are other programs in place to get you free money for schooling while you're in, you just gotta look into them.

Also, you can quit the service at any time, you just forfeit all your benefits and have to pay back your bonus, if you're lucky enough to get one. Oh, and it usually takes a couple months to get you out, so you're going to be labeled as something related to feces during that time. Probably.

If you want to receive any satisfaction from your time in service, I recommend that you figure out how to convince yourself to start looking forward to deploying. Because you're going to, and you're going to love it.

What else.... oh yeah, if you want to be happy at all times, join the Air Force. If you only want to be happy at the end of the day, join the Army. If you only want to be happy when you're told to, join the Marines. And if you want to be fat, join the Navy.


And finally...

Quote: "Living abroad has really opened my eyes about my country. I'm patriotic, I love America, but at times I am deeply embarrassed about and for it. By the same token no place I've been has been perfect. Every country that I've been to has something fantastic and lousey about it. America's shortcomings would probably be the health care, crime, and its blind isolationism."


Seconded.

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Thanks Jimmy. I'm not joining the military just for the benefits, I just think that they would help. Before I even heard the term 'benefit' I had wanted to be in the military lol.

I want to join the army. My dream in the military is to be a sniper. If I don't become one, I'm not to worried, that's just what I want.

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dagger24
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Posted: 21st Aug 2008 19:21 Edited at: 21st Aug 2008 19:25
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My my, that is the most racist, uncalled for, arrogant comment I've ever heard in my life. Don't get pissy just because Army Grunts have the lowest Asvab scores and stomp on ground all day.. (No offense Cash, I respect you).

Quote: "I want to join the army. My dream in the military is to be a sniper. If I don't become one, I'm not to worried, that's just what I want."


Don't join the Army to be a Sniper. If you truly want Sniper, and based on pics I've seen of you Jenkins, you do some shooting on your own time. I would recommend you try out Marines for sniper school, they have the best Snipers in US/World. The only problem is, if you don't make it, then you'll be stuck in the front lines and whatever else from there.

Plus making Sniper is a long ways away. If you have issues on your Asvab scores, then go Army, and become a Ranger to be a Sniper.

Personally, Jimmy doesn't know squat about happiness in the other branches.

Remember, as a sniper like many others said, you'll have to pull a trigger on a moments notice, are you willing to do so?

BTW - Coast Guard is a pretty sweet branch as well. After I spent a week this past summer working with some, I have a mounted respect for them.

EDIT :

About the Ranks issue, you get a college degree and enlist, you come in the military as an E4, not like an E1 right out of high school. If you go to college, you can become an officer which has a better lifestyle than enlisted, but you'll obviously have more responsibility.

I recommend the officer route, but it's up to you.
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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 21st Aug 2008 19:34 Edited at: 21st Aug 2008 19:35
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Quote: "My my, that is the most racist,"


Being fat is a race now? Well awesome, I'm eating lots of hamburgers so I can sue anybody who calls me a fat b&&$%^£ in the street.

But I think you'll find Jimmy was being Jimmy. In order words using a sense of humour.

I'm surprised nobody's said anything about the Navy SEALs...remember, Navy SEALs could pwn the world.


Though before wanting to join, consider of course what suits you, what will make you happy, if you can handle killing, can handle breaking ethics based on what you're told to do by those more powerful than you and of course collateral damage happens in war-time situations, could you handle that and would you want collateral damage? And of course as said, you can die, don't be arrogant of that matter, because you can die just like everybody else who's died in the battle field (though there are far more riskier jobs in the world) just make sure you know and understand the risks and not let the "it'll be awesome" outweigh it unless you're 100% willing to die for your government. Though you can start and pull out if you wish, only at the risk of being considered a traitor and a coward by yours peers for a couple of months (if they're the type to do that, though quitting is neither of the 2)

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Quote: "My my, that is the most racist"


How in any possible way could that be racist? I wish people would understand what these words mean before brandishing them about. Secondly it was quite obvious Jimmy was joking.

@Jenkins, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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dagger24
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Posted: 21st Aug 2008 19:51 Edited at: 21st Aug 2008 19:52
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Quote: "How in any possible way could that be racist? I wish people would understand what these words mean before brandishing them about. Secondly it was quite obvious Jimmy was joking."


You have no room to talk, read your signature:

Quote: "Oh boy! Sleep! That's when I'm a Viking! "


You don't magically become some Ancient Scandinavian Raider type person when you sleep. Geez I wish people would understand what words mean before brandishing them about. There is no obviousness about Jimby.
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Quote: "You don't magically become some Ancient Greenland type person when you sleep. Geez I wish people would understand what words mean before brandishing them about."

Hahaha! troll?

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dagger24
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I have no idea what you're talking about, and your quoted text does not match my post.
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dagger24
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20 years in the military might be a little too much for me. However, I can't really say that because I haven't experienced the military."


And Jenkins, if you want to see what the military is like as a kid like yourself, Join JROTC or the Sea Cadets.
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Agh, I have a bad feeling about Dagger24.


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Quote: "your quoted text does not match my post"

That's because I quoted it before you edited it you numpty.

Quote: "Agh, I have a bad feeling about Dagger24."

Indeed.

Anyway, enough of derailing this thread.

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Dagger you make no sense - you used the word racist complete out of context and is a word people often use out of context, when really it ought not - especially when the word you're looking for is prejudiced. Racism is discrimination of a person from a particular race.

Jimmy would be racist if he said they Navy were a bunch of Curry eaten Asians (or even burger eating fatty yanks, implying that Americans are all fat and eat burgers, which is not true. And fatness has nothing to do with race...no matter what context you throw the words about in.)

RalphY's signature is a quotation from a cartoon character and assumes nothing incorrect about the meaning of any of its words and all are used within the right context.

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Well correctly racism shouldn't actually work through humans, as we are all in the race of humans (Except for Seppuku, I'm not sure what he is ) so really it doesn't make much sense.


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Quote: "or even burger eating fatty yanks"

Racist. :s

Quote: "My dream in the military is to be a sniper. If I don't become one, I'm not to worried, that's just what I want."

I can understand the interest in that, although not so much killing human beings as the skill involved.

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Quote: "Quote: "or even burger eating fatty yanks"
Racist. :s"

Correction, that is Predjudice.

Quote: "Well correctly racism shouldn't actually work through humans, as we are all in the race of humans (Except for Seppuku, I'm not sure what he is ) so really it doesn't make much sense."

Well considering Seppuku is a Seppukian we really don't know if racism affects him.lol And yeah we are all one race.


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Posted: 21st Aug 2008 23:56 Edited at: 21st Aug 2008 23:56
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "or even burger eating fatty yanks"
Racist. :s"
Correction, that is Predjudice."


Still racism, it assumes that Americans are fat and love to eat burgers.

Quote: "Well correctly racism shouldn't actually work through humans, as we are all in the race of humans (Except for Seppuku, I'm not sure what he is ) so really it doesn't make much sense."


Indeed and that is why I tend to quote a famous Carribean poet when it comes to racial matter - 'the earth is the earth is the earth'.

As for my race? Well...it's best not be explained. But it's not Seppukian, after all Seppuku is a form of Japanese ritual suicide I guess a Seppukian race would involve a lot of hara-kiri and I'm too squemish for that.

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You appear to have no sense of implying- of course the Navy is not one particular human race, and my use of the word to describe what Jimmy was saying is incorrect. I used that particular word for emphasis, not truly a literal meaning, but implying....

You all are thinking too hard about my post. Accept the fact of assuming of what I meant and apply that to your opinions.

And what does this have to do with Jenkins here joining the Military?
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Though I don't see how racism is an emphasis of prejudice, or could work figuratively, but each to their own. (but the point I think RalphY was really trying to make, whilst not attempting to draw a huge amount of attention to, was that the word is used in the wrong meaning too often and can be quite careless use of language, which, to be honest if you see a word carelessly used so often you're going to say something)

Quote: "And what does this have to do with Jenkins here joining the Military? "


Nothing. Just keeping RalphY's back. After all he's a fictional character in the second grade with a learning disability, he needs all the help he can get.

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Alrighty! A for everyone that grasped my incredibly subtle humor with their mindicles.

Jenkins: You do not have to go to Ranger school to be a sniper. What you DO have to do is tell your recruiter you want to go to sniper school, sign up as an 11B (infantry), shoot perfect scores when you qualify with your weapons, kick butt on the physical training tests and just be freakin hardcore all-around. It's tough to get into sniper school and even tougher to pass, so make sure you're workin hard and keepin' your mind clear, because, believe it or not, you gotta be smart, too.

But what do I know? I'm just aviation. Although, I did have a sniper as a roommate... and he told me... stories...

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I was in the Army. A Vietnam Vet. Was glad to have served. I was Military Intelligence -- yes I know it's an oxymoron. I did work with snipers at times -- an interesting bunch. I was a "sharpshooter" myself.

In those days they had the draft; and not just having numbers drawn. Today it is an all volunteer Army and it seems that it has brought a lot more professionalism to it. When I was in Basic training, it was tough, we were hounded all the time. Not like a job at all. But, I suppose it is different now.

It is a big commitment. If you go for it then I am one who will stand by you.

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Wow this thread got interesting for a bit lol. Let's not let it stray like that again.

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Quote: "Just keeping RalphY's back"

Cheers . My cat's name is Mittens .

Quote: "the word is used in the wrong meaning too often and can be quite careless use of language"

Yup that's pretty much it. I'm sorry dagger if it felt like I was picking on you, but the number of times I seen that word misused, it debases its actual meaning.

I think being a sniper could be interesting from the technical/ skill side of things. I imagine it's a lot more personal though if you actually have to kill someone. You will need to be very strong psychologically. But if it's what you want to do, go for it. Just be prepared for a lot of hard work.

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Don't worry about it, I just felt the whole debacle was going out of hand for no apparent reason.

EDIT

BTW - Jimmy does have a weird personality.

Go to this link:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=65928&b=2

and search for the first post my Jimmy. I'm pretty sure Drew Cameron is straight.
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Quote: "and search for the first post my Jimmy. I'm pretty sure Drew Cameron is straight. "

I'm nearly 187% sure Jimmy was just joking when he said that

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Jimmy never lies, nor jokes.
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I always wondered whether Jimmy himself isn't the personalisation of sarcasm, cynicism and irony.


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I think he's all that in the purest form - he's not made of matter, just a constant trinity of pure sarcasm, cynicism and irony and he is made of nothing else...

Saying that, it's remarkable that he can operate a computer, so that's definitely something to be proud of.

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Jimmy used to be a big reason why this forum was so funny.


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Quote: "Jimmy used to be a big reason why this forum was so funny."

Drew G too.



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I'm sorry, I've been floating around in the non-virtual world a bit lately. What is this latest Drew G fuzz about? He has been banned I see judging from the "petition" thread, but what happened?

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What does it matter if he's straight or not?

He's an attractive fellow!

Edit: I... uh... forget it.

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Quote: "I'm sorry, I've been floating around in the non-virtual world a bit lately. What is this latest Drew G fuzz about? He has been banned I see judging from the "petition" thread, but what happened?"


It seems Dagger24 is an alias of DrewG that slipped through trying to unban his other account by pretending he wasn't him.

Shame - Dagger sounded a bit more mellow that the original DrewG, but definitely not worth the risk again.

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DrewG is such a tard. Every single time he creates an alias he advertises it to the mods. If he didn't I suspect he wouldn't get messed with.

One on one he's okay, I talk to him every now and then on Gmail messenger. I forgave him for being racist against Mexicans because it's a product of his environment rather then intentional. I've also had to advise him on patching up similar awkward situations with other people. He means well, he's just not that good at meaning well.


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Minor bump for a question.

I have another question. I know I could just ask a recruiter but I really don't feel like talking to one of them now so I'll just ask here...

How fit do we need to be to be accepted? Like is there a certain time we have to run a mile in?

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Dude, they take the retarded. They will take you, they need meat to stop the bullets.
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Yeah, you can be a complete slug to join, you just have to pass their physical which you will unless you were borne without knees. If you aren't fit though you'll have a miserable time in Basic Training. For me basic just sucked, but it wasn't hard at all. For others it was the most agonizing torture they'd ever imagined. You can avoid that by getting in shape beforehand.


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Quote: ""Here we have marijuana, in America you have guns. Which do you think is worse?""



Depends, are the people with guns toked? That'd be pretty bad


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Quote: "Here we have marijuana, in America you have guns. Which do you think is worse?"

Well, being a firm believer to have the right to bare arms, I find marijuana worse.

Where did that quote come from anyways lol?

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Quote: "Quote: "Here we have marijuana, in America you have guns. Which do you think is worse?"
Well, being a firm believer to have the right to bare arms, I find marijuana worse."


A raastafarian (or a Dutchman) might disagree - I wonder who would be in the moral highground? (not that I'm suggesting you're on the low ground, just thought I'd pose the question)

I suppose stepping into the grounds of 'the right to bear arms' is a bit close to politics, as it's a part of US politics, but I find your answer interesting, because I know a few friends who have had (or still do) smoke marijuana, but if I found out a friend had a gun I'd think far worse of that friend, heck my schizophrenic uncle was caught with a gun not so long ago and I don't think highly of him for it, especially as he's a threat to society - but then he also does far worse drugs than Marijuana as well, so you can imagine high opinions aren't found.

If I saw a person walking in the street with a gun, I'd keep my eye on them, a person smoking Marijuana I wouldn't - but these a probably cultural differences and a matter of perspective, to me a gun is a killing tool, Marijuana only possesses potential risks that aren't much larger than smoking or drinking to the user and the user alone.

You sir have the moral ambivalence of a mutated shrimp!
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I have 3 rifles, what do you think of me now?


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Quote: "I have 3 rifles, what do you think of me now?"

Awesome. I'm loaded with guns too lol. Two 12 gauge shotguns, a .270 rifle, 9mm pistol, and a baby .22 lol.

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When the government tells the citizens they don't need guns to protect themselves it's like one hockey team convincing their opponents they don't need their sticks.

I don't have any guns, but I wish I did.
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Quote: "When the government tells the citizens they don't need guns to protect themselves it's like one hockey team convincing their opponents they don't need their sticks."

LOL, that's an awesome analogy.

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Quote: "I saw a person walking in the street with a gun, I'd keep my eye on them, a person smoking Marijuana I wouldn't - but these a probably cultural differences and a matter of perspective, to me a gun is a killing tool, Marijuana only possesses potential risks that aren't much larger than smoking or drinking to the user and the user alone"


I wouldn't trust drugees. They're the ones who break into your house to steal your stuff to pay for their habit. I'll be the one with my gun pointed at em when they do.


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