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Butter fingers
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...and get a console.

I've never pirated a game in my life. Ever. I have 2 new(ish) titles - Alone in the Dark and Lost Planet.

Alone in the dark had the slowest installer I have ever encountered. It took over 2 hours to install the game... I mean, are you kidding me? Crysis was 2GB bigger than that, and took nowhere near as long. SHame it turned out to be rubbish.

Then my GF got me Lost Planet for Christmas, and I still haven't been able to play it. First up, I had to install steam... which I didn't want to do. Then I had to register the game on steam, and then to install it has to contact the steam server, which has Apparently been busy since Christmas.

It's a total joke. I mean, I realise that developers are trying to prevent piracy, but the only people being punished by this system is the people who get the games legitimately.

Oh my god, as we speak it just connected to the server, and is now downloading.... estimated completion time, 6 hours. I have no idea what the point of putting it on a DVD was. THe back of the box actually states a relatively high DVD drive spec, when (it appears) that all that is on the disk is an installer for FLIPPING steam. Jesus. They could have just given me a piece of paper, saying go and download steam and a serial. What a waste of a DVD. The games not even on it...

GRRRR.

That's it. I'm buying a console tomorrow. I can't be bothered with all this crap, installers and serials and security servers and registration and "please install the security thingamgigy that will start everytime you boot your PC even though the game is installed", it's all rubbish.

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The whole PC scene is a bit of a hassle.

Any idea which console you will buy? From my experience (Owning the 360, PS3 and Wii) I would strongly suggest the Xbox360 for a first time buy.
Just tonnes more to do on it. That being said, Little Big Planet is worth the PS3's weight in Gold... But it is the only game on the PS3 worth getting, that you can't already buy on the 360.

The Wii doesn't really cut the mustard, it is just incredibly silly... and that's all it will be.

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LOL. It's updating right now,

"Get ready to play in approximately : 4days 2hours".

Thanks Steam, I'll do my best to get my keyboard and mouse prepared by then.

I don't know what console really. I'm torn between PS3 and Xbox, the wii can go stick it, I'm not 12. I want to play games with a narrative, not a nunchuck.

Anyway, Most stuff on the Xbox, and PS3 seems the same, but I get the feeling that in the long run the PS3 will be the better option. Some of the downloadable content, like EchoChrome and Eden are really cool, and having owned a PS1 and PS2 I feel I'd be betraying to get a 360.

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Quote: "I would strongly suggest the Xbox360 for a first time buy."


I agree, though I haven't played much of anything on a 360, I know it pretty much rocks.

Quote: "Just tonnes more to do on it. That being said, Little Big Planet is worth the PS3's weight in Gold... But it is the only game on the PS3 worth getting, that you can't already buy on the 360."


There are a *few* good games for the PS3...but not nearly as many good games like for the Wii and 360. Those two consoles sold much better than the PS3 originally, people were buying BOTH at the same time and it was actually cheaper than buying ONE PS3. So, 360 and Wii are totally worth it, IMO.


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Posted: 19th Jan 2009 18:19
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I know how you feel.

I'd suggest not giving up on PC games, because thats what these console makers want, total control over the game market through consoles.


Instead, refuse to purchase games with ridiculous requirements, hell, buy indie games. That way you support the indie community and you let the big guys know that their way of doing things is unwanted.

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Quote: "hell, buy indie games. That way you support the indie community and you let the big guys know that their way of doing things is unwanted."



Hey....this is the opportunity for indie game developers to TAKE OVER!!!


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Posted: 19th Jan 2009 18:31 Edited at: 19th Jan 2009 18:36
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Quote: "Anyway, Most stuff on the Xbox, and PS3 seems the same, but I get the feeling that in the long run the PS3 will be the better option. Some of the downloadable content, like EchoChrome and Eden are really cool, and having owned a PS1 and PS2 I feel I'd be betraying to get a 360."

They do look the same, but some of the games that are developed for the Xbox and the PS3 sometimes have some minor lag on the PS3.

Both consoles have equal pros, but the 360 just has more to do. Echochrome gets annoying after a while, and that is the only arcade game worth buying. Each PS3 demo requires you to install it, and there aren't many demos out.
But the PS3 also has BluRay support, which is fantastic. It is also a much more "mature" console, in the respect that is doesn't treat the user like a 4 year old.
Its not as restrictive as the 360. If you want to wack a 2.5" 500GB HDD into your PS3, then it will let you. Downloading saved games off the internet is as simple as putting it onto a USB pen drive. You don't have to buy separate memory cards like the 360 because you can use a pen drive etc.

I actually also prefer the way the PS3 handles purchases.

If games like Fable 2, Halo, Gears of War etc don't interest you, then the PS3 is probably the way to go. You will most likely have a Corking time on Little Big Planet with your GF, it is really good.
Especially now they have released the Metal Gear solid paint gun. Just Fantastic.

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I know what you mean, when I bought Counter strike it came with 4 or 5 dvd's FIVE. And then I install it and it says "downloading content" well what the hell right? I just put all 5 dvds in, and I was thinking, that's a long frickin encryption code if it fits on all 5 dvds.

But, it feels like the user is being punished now by these stupid anti piracy things.
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"the only people being punished by this system is the people who get the games legitimately."

Very true and why I no longer buy titles from the large publishers.
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Generally, I've found that games on the PS3 are a hell of a lot more buggy than on the Xbox

Take, for example, Call of Duty: World at War... My friends (PS3) are complaining like hell about bugs and glitches that I haven't even heard of, let alone experienced, on the Xbox

Also, Far Cry 2 is a lot more buggy on PS3, as is Fallout 3

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Posted: 19th Jan 2009 20:58 Edited at: 19th Jan 2009 21:03
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I am beginning to lose faith in the simplicity of Pc gaming. I mean, I played Mass Effect on PC and it was the buggiest, most unreliable thing I've put on it to date. I enjoyed it very much and persisted right to the end, but the thought of a second playthrough (it kepy crashing every 45 minutes) fills me with apprehension. I'm also not sure how I feel about the Spore DRM thing - it's fine until I want to do something like format my HDD, and then I have to wonder - how to I revoke my install? Which is a pain.

On the other hand, I think the PC is probably the single best platform for indie devs simply because it's relatively easy to make games on it. These forums are, of course, a fantastic testament to that. Making games on consoles has seemed like a daunting, unfamiliar idea that's very appealing but not as easy as doing it in DBPro. So hopefully, if everybody gets disgusted with flabbergasting DRM checks and draconian internet installation, and all mainstream games move to consoles, there will still be a little flicker of life from the indie community which will keep it going, and hopefully keep it more creative than ever.

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I am a PC gamer and get annoyed, especially with some of the bugs. My parents bought a PS3 over the Christmas holidays (we've always have had Playstations, plus they prefer playstation games) I am happy that they did. Though I am still a PC gamer. For goodness sakes I spent £700 last June for a new system, so I'm going to use it. But some of these games do have me paranoid, and it doesn't seem as straight forward now - especially when a game is poorly optimised, like the console-PC ports, this is why I check tech-support forums now, to see what problems there are. What's even more annoying is when a patch take ages to release and that patch doesn't solve your problem. Though, kudos to Valve, when I tested the demo of Left4Dead, I had a memory leak issue, I saw the forums, some people with Dual Core systems seemed to have the same problem. My experience with Source engine games has been that they've been solid on release, so I got Left4Dead based on trust, and it is solid, they found and solved their problems before release.

But reading tech support forums and reviews of Far Cry 2, it seemed some problems lingered, so I bought it for the PS3 and got peace of mind.

Saying that, I found a youtube video of somebody playing Far Cry 2 on Extra High (but low shadows) on the exact same system as mine.



Oh and Little Big Planet, ultra-fun, and even more so online, though I did get annoyed with the person on one of Uncle Jalepeno's level, he kept blowing me up, because he didn't control himself properly. The game is pure awesome.


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Darth Kiwi, yes, Mass Effect, it was horrible. I have mostly go not problems now through tweaking and nVidia's latest laptop drivers (released not too long ago) but there is still lag and it still feels buggy.

Though with Indie dev, yes, the PC is perfect for that.

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Quote: "I think the PC is probably the single best platform for indie devs simply because it's relatively easy to make games on it. These forums are, of course, a fantastic testament to that. Making games on consoles has seemed like a daunting, unfamiliar idea that's very appealing but not as easy as doing it in DBPro."


Not to mention the insane fees they want developers to pay for creating games on the consoles. Basically making it impossible for indies to make games unless they have financial backing.

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I'd love to see your reaction when you unwrap your shiny new PS3 and discover you have to install games on it, too


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I don't think the 'installing' part is the problem - or at least from how I'm reading it, the problem is the length. Far Cry 2 did not take 2 hours to install and it was on the game disk, not sitting on the internet. It took 10 minutes if that on PS3. Though it did download updates too, but it did not take me long from switching the PS3 on and playing my game.

Same with other games. (Far Cry 2 was probably the longest)

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Quote: "I'd love to see your reaction when you unwrap your shiny new PS3 and discover you have to install games on it, too "


I was quite surprised how much you have to install to get things rolling on a PS3, Demos and all. But it only takes a few moments, which is nothing compared to some PC games.

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heck no, it's not just the length. It's the whole rigmarole. I know this makes me sound like a total grandpa, but I remember installing stuff like Crusader: No remorse, or old DOS games like Rise of the Triad, and you never had to go through all that crap to play. Half the people who pirate this stuff wouldn't buy the game anyway, so why punish the people paying good money?

I realise PS3 needs stuff installing (ive played MGS4 and sat through the silly load time at the start). I have to say, that I don't think Little big planet is a massive reason to get the PS3. I actually did some promotions work on it when it came out, and I don't think its all that. My housemate is vering towards the xbox, and I think I'm going to go that way.

It's not to say I will totally abandon PC gaming. The indy scene is so amazing, anyone who hasn't checked out Farm51's coming offering should... it looks sick. And as much as it was budget, I really enjoyed You Are Empty too.

I think that PC protection has become so oppressive that the only stuff I would play is indy titles.

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I agree with the poster. I actually bought a 360 for about the same reason too.


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Posted: 19th Jan 2009 21:53 Edited at: 20th Jan 2009 00:02
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Quote: "so why punish the people paying good money?"


Because publishers are stupid and greedy, and will ultimately kill themselves with their own greed. I can't wait, maybe we'll get some decent games once the current bunch are dead. Because it is, after all, only a matter of time


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Reminds me of the human race

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Oh my good lord.

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Quote: "I think that PC protection has become so oppressive that the only stuff I would play is indy titles."


That's totally legit-- I'm almost that way too. I can't resist buying games like World of Goo, Crayon Physics, and Darwinia.

There's only a few games on PC that I will install: those with mod capabilities, and those that are better supported on PC (yes, awesome Valve titles). Everything else I'll choose on 360 or PS3 if that's an option (Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, etc.)

I know it's been said already at least a dozen times, but the reason the big companies put crappy protection on them (Starforce, SecuROM) is because shareholders require pre-emptive action (even if it doesn't work, it's a great facade), and to halt second-hand sales. Hell, put a 5 install limit on a game and it's pretty hard to sell it to a friend or EB.

Pirates may kill off industry veterans developing PC games, and also indie developers too. The World of Goo team sent me the game because I pre-ordered it, and put a nice little note asking us to please not distribute it. Last I heard they have a 90% piracy rate, judging by their game's online component. Why would a developer spend years making a game just to have it ripped off?

The pirates keep pirating, forcing developers to get creative, causing even more pirates to get up in arms and spread, causing more developer restrictions--- a vicious circle.


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Butters - go 360.

And just so you know, I'm not a 360 fanboy. I play PS3 regularly.

I love what Stardock is doing with DRM. They know how we feel, they used to be a small company.
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I have a 360 and am very pleased with it, but I haven't played on a PS3 before. I suggest you go 360.

Although I haven't played it in ages, I'm in much the opposite position as you are. I was one of those who despised PC gaming until I picked up a PC copy of Oblivion, because I had seen some of the excellent mods on www.tesnexus.com and immediately sought out a PC upgrade to start getting into PC gaming.


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I also think DRM isn't nice, although I bought some games with it because I really wanted them: Spore, Red Alert 3, Dead Space and Sacred 2 (collector's edition), being the last one the worst, only 2 activations as far as I remember (worse than Spore).

But then, one of the reasons Ubisoft made me buy the new Prince of Persia is just the total lack of anything else than the game on the DVD. No DRM, no Serial Number, no CD/DVD Check. I just put up the DVD to install it and it never went out of the box again!

I think that buying DRM Free games is the way to go to show big companies that we support this idea, because how hard would it be to play a pirated copy of PoP? Plain easy! But (as always) I bought it to support them!

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Yes, for a PC game, the amount of time from installing to playing was small, as it was for GRID, another game I'm currently hooked on.
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The game should have been on the DVD... all's it needed to do was update. Unless of course you took a different direction and entered your serial number for the game on steam and it's downloading the whole thing because it's sees you own a legit copy? I don't know, just a guess. I've never had a problem like that with steam.

I think steam is genius. It's nice to look at, simple to purchase games with, and easy to use. For those who aren't used to using steam, and just installing games, sure it's different. But is it really a hassle? I mean come on, all your games are listed right there. It's not that much of a deal, and it's relatively good at anti-piracy to boot.

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The thing I like most about Steam is it's legal to install each game on several different computers at the same time. I love having the ability to install Bejeweled Twist or Bioshock at work when I'm in the mood--- no need to bring in a disc and serial number. It just works.


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I'm going to get a 360 or a PS3 next month.I just gotta figure out which I want more.
Some PC games (like Morrowind) are excellent.Then again...there's Steam.You either love it or hate it.
The one really good thing about Steam is if you erase you game from your pc you can download it again if you bought it online.
They give away demos and neat stuff too.

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I really like the idea of Steam, but it has it's flaws. I'd sooner walk down to my local games shop and buy a game straight away, rather than buy it off Steam and wait several hours to be able to play it while it downloads.

On second thought, if I were deciding which console to get, I would just wait. The original Xbox lasted for three years before they began with the 360. It's been about that quantity of time since the 360 was released.

Only time will tell what's gonna happen.


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Quote: "I think steam is genius. It's nice to look at, simple to purchase games with, and easy to use."


So is the girl working at my local game store.

Quote: "But is it really a hassle? I mean come on, all your games are listed right there."


Yes but I have a folder on my HDD thats called "games" and all my games are listed right there.

Quote: "Unless of course you took a different direction and entered your serial number for the game on steam and it's downloading the whole thing because it's sees you own a legit copy?"


Thats exactly what it's doing. But that's the only thing it can do because there isn't a game on the disk. ONLY steam.

Quote: "one really good thing about Steam is if you erase you game from your pc you can download it again if you bought it online."


LOL. If I erase a game from my HDD, I can stick the DVD in and install it again, and it's much more convenient and fast than downloading a 3GB installer!

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I see what you did there, especially the 'easy to use' bit.


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Quote: " Last I heard they have a 90% piracy rate, judging by their game's online component. Why would a developer spend years making a game just to have it ripped off? "


yeah, it's sad that a bit of buzz induces viral type distribution. So I wouldn't be at all surprised with that level.


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With SecuRom, on the games I have that use it, no doubt I'll be one down, if Acer decide to replace my laptop instead of fix it.

Steam-like activation is probably best - so every is written your steam account, but for the game to actually be on disk and for it to ask if you WANT an update. It also means once you've activated it, you can go offline if you need to. I'm sure Steam games are no more pirated than SecuRom ones and it counts as a precautionary measure to keep investors happy.

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There's a way to fill a Steam account's game list with all the Steam games... I've done it myself. Except, you can't ever download anything, of course. And multiplayer won't work. The offline versions work, I know from downloading Bookworm.
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What the hell is wrong with the wii? Is everybody so embarrassed to actually move when you play a game? Or does the thought of exercise make you shudder? The wii is worth getting because you actually do something other than mash little buttons while sitting on your bum all day long. Sure the wii doesn't have loads of great games, but the great games it has are the best around, Zelda is as good as it gets as far as I'm concerned. The wii also offers everybody a chance at having fun, you don't have to explain everything, your friends can just grab a wiimote and play. Add the fact that all wii games start out 10 bucks cheaper than 360 and PS3 games and it should be pretty obvious the wii is the way to go.


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No, its just the wii, is what do you call it.... Not for most people. Most people like a really good game. Really good Graphics, and Really good game play. The wii has good game play as does a lot of other systems but the graphics are no where near up to date. Plus now that the 360 is cheaper, they will probably start selling a lot more.


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The graphics in no way make the game, just look at World of Warcraft.


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Posted: 21st Jan 2009 23:57
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I don't care about graphics at all, and yet the I'm still not happy with the Wii. First off there's major lag when used with an HDTV even when using the component video cable. And the Wii remote, while usable, is just unresponsive enough for me that FPS games are basically unplayable. And the biggest problem is the games. Most games are actually pretty good, gameplay-wise, except their controls with the Wii remote totally ruin the gameplay. There are maybe 5 or 6 games I really enjoy on the Wii, everything else poorly implements the Wiimote and is aimed at 6 year olds.

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Quote: "The graphics in no way make the game, just look at World of Warcraft."


Never liked it, never will. Everyone has their own opinion on what makes a game.

Andrew your are right about the wii remote. Its really hard to play a game when it doesn't even read where you are moving.


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Posted: 22nd Jan 2009 00:37
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Everyone has their opinion about what makes a good game and the Wii has a lot of bad ones, and I'm not a graphics nut, I don't mind poor graphics at all, heck I am pleased that my house mate owns a Nintendo 64. With the Wii, I have probably played more of the emulated games. Not to say the Wii doesn't have a lot of games other people quite like. But the number probably isn't going to be as high with this community.

As a consoles it's not crap and there are good games for it, and can be a system worth owning, but most of the games are arcade or casual games. Not everybody's cup of tea. Casual games are good when you don't want to work too hard at a game. The marketing and the development on the Wii I think is probably the turn off for some gamers.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2009 00:52 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2009 00:54
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Quote: "The wii is worth getting because you actually do something other than mash little buttons while sitting on your bum all day long."


Most games for the Wii require you to flick your wrist ever so slightly "while sitting on your bum all day long." You can beat just about any Wii mini-game compilation by simply waggling. That is not fun. Take it from someone who plays the odd Wii game and has even taken part in making a few, the Wii-mote is not as precise as you might think.

It's an ingenious idea on the perfect platform for its demographic. Yes, they are targeting old people and 11 year olds, which is why they seem to be the only ones who take it seriously My grandma asks me to take my Wii to her place when I visit, and I have to take it out of its dark corner first and blow the coating of dust off of it.

I find I'm playing more virtual console games than actual Wii titles. Super Mario Galaxy and Boom Blox are the only must-have games on the system I've found.

As for the PC, there's no larger repository of shovel-ware than that. There are no platform guidelines and no rules, so it's a free-for-all. We have to rely on reading reviews even for free indie games because the majority of them are terrible.


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Actually, I tend to rely on my own experiences over those of a 'reviewer'. Those are good for forming an opinion after playing the demo, or the game.

And yes, the Wii offers quite little. The 360, however, is full of JRPG, Arcade and Action goodness


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Posted: 22nd Jan 2009 01:17
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I signed up to a site called GamersGate.com which is basically a payper download site for old and indy/budget titles and got a wicked one called "Fallen Lords : Condemnation".

Highly recommend. For a budget/indy title, its totally excellent. Really cool character design and nice gameplay. Didn't have mad security, installed first time etc.
also picked up the original isometric Postal game for a fiver! Yay!

check it out, it's a great way to waste some cash!

I want robotic legs.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2009 04:18 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2009 04:21
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Quote: "Actually, I tend to rely on my own experiences over those of a 'reviewer'. Those are good for forming an opinion after playing the demo, or the game."


Not me-- I don't have enough time in my life to randomly download games and play them, especially not to waste money and pay for them, without a recommendation first.

How does reading a review help you form an opinion after playing the game? That doesn't really make sense. I will always have an opinion of a game after playing it, and the reason I read a review beforehand is to see how others like it before I waste my time and money. That is the regular way I assume And no, I don't just read any old review. There are a few reviewers out there who match my tastes.

Reading a review after playing a game sounds to me like you're justifying a purchase i.e. you buy a game, regret it, and justify your purchase by reading positive reviews.


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Quote: "What the hell is wrong with the wii? Is everybody so embarrassed to actually move when you play a game? Or does the thought of exercise make you shudder? The wii is worth getting because you actually do something other than mash little buttons while sitting on your bum all day long. Sure the wii doesn't have loads of great games, but the great games it has are the best around, Zelda is as good as it gets as far as I'm concerned. The wii also offers everybody a chance at having fun, you don't have to explain everything, your friends can just grab a wiimote and play. Add the fact that all wii games start out 10 bucks cheaper than 360 and PS3 games and it should be pretty obvious the wii is the way to go.
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I got a Wii, thought it would be an awesome console, played all of the awesome games that are out, still thought that it was awesome, then after not having a single good game being released for it for several months I started realizing what Nintendo wanted with this console.


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Oh, Jeku, that must've been an error in my grammar, wrote that pretty late. What I was trying to say was that I barely read reviews, because I either play the demo (which, nowadays, usually isn't more than 5 minutes), then check with friends, then buy it. As far as I'm concerned, far too often, reviews are written from a different point of view than me as 'customer'. Surely, I enjoy games as art, but I have a console to Game.

If I already have it, I won't read reviews about it. When I've played it, I'll read some - just to check whether the masses agree with my opinion.


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Quote: "That is not fun. Take it from someone who plays the odd Wii game and has even taken part in making a few, the Wii-mote is not as precise as you might think."


Jeku, if you don't mind me asking, what exactly is your job at EA?


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Posted: 22nd Jan 2009 15:55 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2009 17:16
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My wiimote is very precise, I can aim perfectly in Red Steel even on my projector. The point that you can play wii games just by flicking your wrist is just like the fact you can beat any game with gameshark, you can do it, but it takes away the fun. The wii doesn't have loads of great 3rd party titles but all the Nintendo releases have been great, If you have money to blow on lots of games you probably vale them less than if you just have a couple games you play the crap out of.I personally can't justify spending $240 to buy 4 new PS3 or Xbox games, it's just ridiculous. Nintendo definitely took the right approach keeping things cheaper. Wii is getting a bunch of good games this year and there were good games in 2008, unless you have loads of money to spend having fewer good games to chose from seems fine.


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