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pollywog
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Posted: 5th Feb 2009 22:57
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you finished up your web app with a nice datagrid view.
even used javascript so the column headers would scroll and you can click on the rows and they highlight you sit back to receive your kudos.

the response? but in excel I can do this.....



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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 5th Feb 2009 23:09
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Ermm....what?



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SunnyKatt
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I got it, but he could have set the post up better.

Tell them that they need to pay for excel.

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AndrewT
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I think I get what you mean. Sometimes I do something that would seem like a big accomplishment for an average coder but does not seem impressive at all to a typical person. I remember when I showed my friend [who knows nothing about coding] a GUI I had designed and he literally just looked at it and said, "What is it?". Oh, and the same kid looked at a memblock terrain I made and said, "Hmm...Oblivion's better I think." You just have to learn to live with it.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 5th Feb 2009 23:40
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Everyone's a jerk in some fashion. Most people don't realise it.

What good is knowledge without a degree of understanding?
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David R
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Posted: 5th Feb 2009 23:45
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Quote: "Everyone's a jerk in some fashion. Most people don't realise it."


What a load of turd, shove it you idiot


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puppyofkosh
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Its not that they're a jerk its that they don't know. Its like this with a lot of things, people can't appreciate something if they don't know about it. Its not that they are ignorant, stupid or jerks, they just don't know about the topic...
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tha_rami
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It's like this one guy, who totally thinks a game I'm more or less involved in, is bad because its coded in DBC, while actually its one of the hallmark games of TGC.

Yes, you know who you are .


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Yodaman Jer
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Quote: "I remember when I showed my friend [who knows nothing about coding] a GUI I had designed and he literally just looked at it and said, "What is it?". Oh, and the same kid looked at a memblock terrain I made and said, "Hmm...Oblivion's better I think." You just have to learn to live with it."



Yeah, I've had sort of a similar situation. Some of my friends don't know a thing about programming and if I get too excited and start rambling about how long it took to make a good program they're like...'what?'. So, yeah, I know how you feel AndrewT. Well OK, not exactly...



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SunnyKatt
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Posted: 6th Feb 2009 00:13
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I've also had a similar situation with someone, who upon seeing my game in person, said "is this 2d?". As if they were disappointed I had not followed the trend and strived for amazing graphics.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 6th Feb 2009 01:50 Edited at: 6th Feb 2009 01:54
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Quote: "What a load of turd, shove it you idiot"


Thanks for proving my point. Not quite the strongest sample of irony in the universe but noteworthy.

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Dragon Knight
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You know whats weird I was even criticized for programming in dark basic pro instead of c++ when i first started university by peers.

BUT i started making some really nice games, got ahead of my class by learning how to program in DBP e.g. most programming problems can be solved in a similar way thus i have an advantage.

After a month a few even asked me to teach them how to program in DBP which i was quite impressed with the change of mind set.

I guess if your confident enough in what you do and can explain it better than most, other people start to believe or follow in your footsteps ^-^


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Zuka
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I can do both. A bunch of people in my old Industrial Tech class seem to think I'm a genius. All I did was mess around and make circles using simple trig. Jeez.
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ionstream
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You are bad and you should feel bad.

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BatVink
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Don't forget, without users you have no job. Let them have their opinion, let them feel good about their opinion, and they will come back.
They can eat their humble pie when they next want something new.

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Oolite
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Quote: "Thanks for proving my point. Not quite the strongest sample of irony in the universe but noteworthy."

Way to catch on to sarcasm...




...you jerk.

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Dazzag
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Best advice I have over the years is to always presume the user is wrong/an idiot/possibly not even technically human. If you presume they know what they are talking about, when they phone up about a bug, you know because they, say, have a decade of experience using your system, then it leads to many hours of frustrated code tracing before you fling your monitor through the window then go on a rabid killing spree which finally ends somewhere miles away with the user's head on a pole attached to the roof of your car. Wise words indeed...

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bond1
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I'm not even a programmer, but I honestly don't see how programmers could feel anything but utter contempt for end users. Sure, end users pay the bills - and they may try and disguise it, but I suspect it takes a lot of self-discipline for programmers to bury this feeling deep in their gut.

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David R
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Posted: 6th Feb 2009 18:31
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Quote: "I'm not even a programmer, but I honestly don't see how programmers could feel anything but utter contempt for end users."


Slap yourself, right now.

End users/clients are only a pain when they demand very tight deadlines (because they don't grasp the complexity of a feature/bugfix). Besides that, though... slap yourself


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bond1
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Oooh, methinks the lady doth protest too much.

kidding...

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bitJericho
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Quote: "End users/clients are only a pain when they demand very tight deadlines (because they don't grasp the complexity of a feature/bugfix). Besides that, though... slap yourself"


Or when they ruin your program. When it comes to games, it's the worst. Users complain about it being unfair, and the developers change it up and ruin the gameplay.

You can't please everybody

It happens in applications too. We got some new software, and it's super user-friendly. As a result, it's particularly slow compared to our old software.

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Dazzag
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Posted: 6th Feb 2009 19:11
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Quote: "End users/clients are only a pain when they demand very tight deadlines"
That part is totally manageable. No worries. Main pain is when they get back to you years later with something they think is a bug but in actual fact is proper functionality that they forgot how to use. This doesn't help on a system with thousands of programs thats been around for decades and most of the people who wrote the code got sacked years ago...

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Posted: 6th Feb 2009 23:30
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What I think is this: On average, people are stupid. Even the clever ones.

I include myself in this too... Stupid that is. Well, maybe clever too, but mostly stupid

Let's face it, we may all be good at a few things, but I can guarantee that we're bad at a whole lot more stuff than we're good at. It's the same with everyone.

And it's that thought that allows me to be patient with these stupid idiots when they ask me for something - knowing that they feel exactly the same way as I do when I'm on their turf instead of mine and that they are entirely justified to feel that way.

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mr Handy
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IanM - nice

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Satchmo
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Posted: 7th Feb 2009 00:19 Edited at: 7th Feb 2009 00:20
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Quote: "be paitient with these stupid idiots"

LOL

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Jeku
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Posted: 7th Feb 2009 03:56 Edited at: 7th Feb 2009 03:57
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Quote: "I'm not even a programmer, but I honestly don't see how programmers could feel anything but utter contempt for end users."


Very true, and you will find that in the game industry as well. Talk to me if you're working on the 100th screen in a game and you get a bug saying there's no help text for the B back button, even though all the other 99 screens in the game clearly point out that B will allow you to go Back, and that is pretty much a requirement for every game on the console.

Yet you still have to spend your 15-30 minutes putting in the code, compiling it for all the consoles, having QA walk over to your desk to verify it works (even though you can eyeball it yourself and see that it's there!), getting another programmer to do a code review and buddy build, write up a few sentences explaining in the bug what you did (i.e. helped out the stupid user), and finally submitting the code to the branch.

Argh.


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Uncle Sam
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Thus are our lives.

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optical r
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Recently, I've started working in the gaming industry and the frustration is really apparent somethimes with customers I code for. It can be irritable and highly pressured, not to mention the barrage of bugs you will get back from testers to contend with. However, I like to look at it as a challenage as I dare suspect most other programmers will.

Quote: "Very true, and you will find that in the game industry as well. Talk to me if you're working on the 100th screen in a game and you get a bug saying there's no help text for the B back button, even though all the other 99 screens in the game clearly point out that B will allow you to go Back, and that is pretty much a requirement for every game on the console."

I hate button bugs , or 'can we rephrase the third sentence from the bottom of the forth page to somehting like X instead of Y'.


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