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Geek Culture / Sudden Revelations.

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 04:27
Hey guys, this is just something that I've been wondering about the last few days. Please note that it has nothing to do with religion, just a personal revelation that came to you out of the blue inexplicably.


Last summer I suddenly got a revelation/epiphany/sudden knowing/etc.,etc., that alerted me. I was standing there, just talking to my mom and a friend of hers, who was talking to my mom and trying to convince her to move to a town in Wisconsin that we'd love to live in. As she was mentioning it, just all of a sudden I thought 'yes, we need to move there, as that's where my future possible wife lives'. I realize that's a bit personal, but it's true. I'm not old enough to marry, but I am wondering if it will come true in later years (after college). Of course I think it's silly I thought that, but still...was it a sudden knowing? I mean, I had no reason to be thinking such thoughts right then, it was very, very weird.

Sorry that that's my only example.

Has anyone else ever had a sudden epiphany/revelation/sudden knowing?

I realize this thread may seem a bit odd, but I really am curious.

I apologize that my supposed revelation was about something like marriage, but that's the only example I could think of tonight.

Robert F
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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 04:51
no.... I dont get these...


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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 05:01
Hmmm...Any revelations I've had (religion, meaning of life, future career) have taken a while to think about. I can't think of anything off the top of my head that was just *wham* sudden truth and whatnot.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 14:41
I get these sudden "revelations" every once in awhile, too. I'll just be standing in my kitchen, looking for some toast for breakfast, when all of the sudden, WHAM--it hits me! I want waffles, not toast!

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 14:55
I can spend ages working on some maths or coding problem at my desk or computer, and then go to work, have a cup of tea, take a dump or whatever and bam - there's the answer. This is pretty awesome. Especially when teamed with the dump. Doubly satisfying. It's like "eureeka - ahhhh", or something.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 15:25
oh dear mr tank...

I get deja vu every so often... i dunno if that counts as anything unusual...
The only revelations of anything i seem to get is when im in solace, ie walking home on my own and no distractions, or lying in ed trying to get to sleep. Its occasions like these when i get peace and can think things over, and often the answer hits me...

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 16:31 Edited at: 20th Feb 2009 16:37
The only 'revelations', if you want to call them that, which I've had have been self critical - like "that's a stupid thing to say" or "you've been a real idiot, and this is how you were an idiot, now don't do it again".

Saying that, when I came back to Uni this semester without my laptop, I had a high, a real good feeling about this year, so I signed up to the gym, started going swimming every Friday (just got back), badminton every Sunday. With the return of my laptop and Soapyfish's well time thread, I recognised a problem. I suppose that counts. In fact my house mate and I were talking earlier today, we're giving up gaming for lent. I've had a case of Fallout 3 syndrome this week, so why not? Yeah, I'm not a Christian, but the whole lent thing seems like a good idea.


As for the whole 'epiphany for true love', I'm not one to believe in such ideals, but a place you have a good feeling about can be good, I mean you can meet great friends in great places and of course maybe a special someone - like me living in Derby, I had a good feeling about it (not one as romantised as yours mind you) and I've met some of the most awesome people around.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 16:46
I think it was randomly created in your head. Which I can't say that true religious epiphanies don't occur, I doubt they happen just like that.

I also don't believe there's just 1 person out there for everyone. I think you'll find your "true love" in any city you end up living the world.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 17:09 Edited at: 20th Feb 2009 17:12
So you suddenly knew that where you may move next, possibly living for the rest of your life, would basically be where you meet your future wife (although this conveniently may not come true for possibly many decades). Aha. I'd lay good odds on other things, such as it being the place you get your qualifications/jobs/pets/cars/houses/kids/death etc etc. I know, I know, I'll write it all down and if it comes true in the next decade or two then you shall all answer to me. Or something like that...

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 18:15
Quote: "Has anyone else ever had a sudden epiphany/revelation/sudden knowing?"


I was 15 when I met the girl that is now my wife (she was 13 at the time). Shortly after I met her (before we even started dating), I remember our eyes catching each other and knowing we would be married some day. It was magic. That was 18 years ago. We have now been married for 11 years and have 3 kids!
I do believe in such things.
Does this mean I think you had a revelation? No. That is up to you to decide!

Quote: "I also don't believe there's just 1 person out there for everyone. I think you'll find your "true love" in any city you end up living the world."

I kind of agree, but also don't. I think there are lots of people that any one person could be happily married to. I also think there is another level to love that few people actually find.


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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 19:41
Lol just believe what you want to believe, it seems to be a good way to live!

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I had always joked around with this one girl. We always accused each other of being interested in each other and we always had a fake 'romance' we'd laugh it. But it was nothing to us, really. All just a big inside joke with a few friends.

Well, I went to a dance, and I had never really danced before. And as she was teaching me. Bam. Suddenly I realized... I really DO like (maybe love?) this girl. It was weird. From that point on she's the only girl I can picture being with in the future. Kinda weird.

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 20:27
Quote: "I was 15 when I met the girl that is now my wife (she was 13 at the time). Shortly after I met her (before we even started dating), I remember our eyes catching each other and knowing we would be married some day. It was magic. That was 18 years ago. We have now been married for 11 years and have 3 kids!"


Ron, that is an awesome story!


I know my example sounds really cliche, but honestly it scared me. My brain does not just generate random things like that, unless I'm sleeping, which I'm sure I wasn't.

Quote: "I also don't believe there's just 1 person out there for everyone. I think you'll find your "true love" in any city you end up living the world."


I firmly believe that there is just one person that is meant for you (it comes from my belief system). That's not to say that you'll just suddenly 'know' where they reside, but there is someone out there. Just my 2 cents, anyway.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 20:28 Edited at: 20th Feb 2009 20:29
Quote: "I had always joked around with this one girl. We always accused each other of being interested in each other and we always had a fake 'romance' we'd laugh it. But it was nothing to us, really. All just a big inside joke with a few friends."


Reminds me of my house mate. He for a while kept going around a girl's house and they were really friendly with each other, of course, we all start talking - clearly they were going out with each other, and when he got a card through the mail with a heart on it, it sealed the deal. We even started asking him, he denied it, we didn't believe him. It got to a point where I, another housemate and her boyfriend were texting him, telling him to wear protection when he was round there and several teasings. He found it quite amusing and played along, so did she. A week later, we all learn from his Facebook status (Nobody is able to hide secrets from Facebook) and we learnt that he had a girlfriend, but it wasn't who we thought it was.

So he was in a position to gloat, but he is such a nice guy, so he didn't.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 20:32
Pah, revelations, epiphanies, magic, it's all rubbish. Coincidences happen often enough to make people believe there really is something out there piecing our fates together like some great etheral jigsaw.

Have none of you heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? If you want to find a wife in a certain town, you will.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 21:55
Quote: "If you want to find a wife in a certain town, you will."


Dont ever got to staveley then....

Maybe thats the entire point of his epiphany/revelation

And going philosophical, maybe thats the entire point of life, to realise that you can do whatever you want


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Posted: 20th Feb 2009 23:44 Edited at: 20th Feb 2009 23:47
Quote: "I firmly believe that there is just one person that is meant for you (it comes from my belief system)."

Doesn't give us great odds then. Out of everyone on earth, there's one person for me. Chances of me encountering that person (and chatting up), about the same chance as winning the lottery a few times in a row I guess.

Winning the lottery a few times in a row sounds far more realistic though.

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Quote: "I also don't believe there's just 1 person out there for everyone. I think you'll find your "true love" in any city you end up living the world."


Exactly my thoughts.

Most people fall in love, some many times. It's a chemical thing and a percentage of females will have "true love" potential. There isn't one "soul mate" person out there for you, no matter what romantic films and stuff want you to think.

If that were true, the odds of meeting them, and starting a relationship with them are truly astronomical, apart from anything else.

So if you end up getting married where you are now, I wouldn't be amazed if I were you.

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I think the idea is that the two people who are destined to be together would be 'spiritually' guided to meet each other - i.e. its not just a random encounter. Like in Yodamans case, it could be some 'higher power' influencing his ideas and thoughts and setting him on his path to eventually meet with the one he's destined to be with with. That's what I'd like to believe.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 00:35
Quote: "Coincidences happen often enough to make people believe there really is something out there piecing our fates together like some great etheral jigsaw."


Fair point, I'd refer to my conversion story of Pastafarianism, enough coincidences that would account as an epiphany, had Pastafarianism been a serious religion. But I won't get into it here, as it touches the boundaries of religion.

I think Revelation and Epiphany and all that is purely psychological, as in something, someone or somewhere may give you a really optimistic feeling, or even a high and I think that's great, as a place that makes you feel like that is probably a good place for you. Or maybe a shift in train of thought (which can be inspired by something) that suddenly makes you go 'ahah', which can leave you wiser than you were before and realise something you didn't see before.

Quote: "Quote: "I firmly believe that there is just one person that is meant for you (it comes from my belief system)."
Doesn't give us great odds then. Out of everyone on earth, there's one person for me. Chances of me encountering that person (and chatting up), about the same chance as winning the lottery a few times in a row I guess."


If my true love is a member of an Aboriginal Tribe in Australia, then the chances of meeting her would be thinner than Posh Spice on a diet. I think the idea, though awfully romanticised isn't particularly realistic and I think taking that train of thought can also be a dangerous one - as you'll only become obsessed with 'the one'. I think true love is the sort of thing you'd read in a Jane Austen novel, you don't see it at first, but you grow on each other and sometimes you may not realise it.


Okay, now I'm going to get lynched for reading a couple of Jane Austen novels.



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Quote: "If my true love is a member of an Aboriginal Tribe in Australia, then the chances of meeting her would be thinner than Posh Spice on a diet."

So there IS a chance? My philosophy has a sub-section about never giving up unless the chance of success reaches the negative mark.

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Yeah, but that's my chance...sorry Grandma, your chance is a negative Vanessa Felts...my probably machine tells me so...it almost broke, I mean, when dealing with subjects like Vanessa Felts one can often lead to self-harm.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 02:38 Edited at: 21st Feb 2009 02:39
Quote: "I firmly believe that there is just one person that is meant for you (it comes from my belief system)."


I too am a Christian, and I don't believe that. I know we can't debate religion here, but just putting that out there. Not all Christians believe that--- in fact I've never heard anyone admit to believing that

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 02:54
Quote: "I too am a Christian, and I don't believe that. I know we can't debate religion here, but just putting that out there. Not all Christians believe that--- in fact I've never heard anyone admit to believing that "


Indeed, this is quite true (that not all Christians believe that). As most of you now know, I am a Christian and this influences my life in quite a major manor. I've just always believed that God has one person for you in His plans for you, and I admit that. It just makes sense. In the bible there's a few verses that let you know that God has a plan for you, thus it only seems logical to believe that He knows the person you're going to marry. I realize that this touches on religion and I apologize, but I thought I'd say that to let people know what my belief system is and hopefully it will clear a couple of things up.


Quote: "If my true love is a member of an Aboriginal Tribe in Australia, then the chances of meeting her would be thinner than Posh Spice on a diet."


This is quite true, Seppuku. However, just suppose that one day you suddenly decided to go on a vacation to Australia and accidentally bumped into this tribal lover. It would seem highly coincidental, wouldn't it? However, if you believe in spiritual guidance you may eventually come to the conclusion that that's what led you to her.

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Wow, this really is one retarded world, eh?

Anyway, Ron, that's awesome.
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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 03:07 Edited at: 21st Feb 2009 03:09
Quote: "Quote: "If my true love is a member of an Aboriginal Tribe in Australia, then the chances of meeting her would be thinner than Posh Spice on a diet."

This is quite true, Seppuku. However, just suppose that one day you suddenly decided to go on a vacation to Australia and accidentally bumped into this tribal lover. It would seem highly coincidental, wouldn't it? However, if you believe in spiritual guidance you may eventually come to the conclusion that that's what led you to her."


I'll be honest and say I'm not a believer of this sort of thing. I mean, I won't try to spoil your belief by pointing all of the problems I see.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 04:22
Quote: "If my true love is a member of an Aboriginal Tribe in Australia, then the chances of meeting her would be thinner than Posh Spice on a diet."


Or... maybe your one true love would more likey be found in a place that you are destined to meet her. If you believe in "destiny of true love", then you could easily believe in the destiny of a path to get there. If the connection is "meant to be", then maybe it is much more likely that the people involved are in a place that they are likely to meet.


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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 04:46 Edited at: 21st Feb 2009 05:20
Quote: "Or... maybe your one true love would more likey be found in a place that you are destined to meet her. If you believe in "destiny of true love", then you could easily believe in the destiny of a path to get there. If the connection is "meant to be", then maybe it is much more likely that the people involved are in a place that they are likely to meet."


That's what I think! But I also think that people who live in very different areas are meant to be together. It's happened plenty of times in history and even nowadays, it's just very rare.

Edited due to a silly grammatical error.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 05:19
Well, I *did* marry a gal from China when she was over here for school. That is pretty much the other side of the world. She's not tribal, though hehe.

Yodaman Jer
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Quote: "Well, I *did* marry a gal from China when she was over here for school. That is pretty much the other side of the world. She's not tribal, though hehe."


Lol, no, not tribal. Awesome story!

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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 07:23 Edited at: 21st Feb 2009 07:24
Quote: "I also don't believe there's just 1 person out there for everyone. I think you'll find your "true love" in any city you end up living the world."


Agreed, the notion that there could only be one perfect match for you is absurd, most people live in the same area for generally the same reasons(good views, near the sea etc). Then said people will hang around in certain areas that interest them or do activities they like and meet other people, the chances of such people being interested in the things you also like are thus incredibly high. So it's no surprise you'd meet your 'true love' in every city as you say, of course even if you met someone in some city and fell in love and thought they were your 'true love' then how would you even know they were? Besides, this shouldn't belittle the experience at all; Just because you know how the flower is made, it doesn't make it any less pretty.

As for the spiritual cra...stuff, the mind works in strange ways! I sometimes feel like eating pancakes or cycling somewhere or some random impulse to do something, sometimes these impulses can be very strong but the mind isn't exactly simple so I'm surprised I'm not constantly thinking up random things to do.

If you think it's truly supernatural influences guiding your thoughts then get yourself scientifically tested(dunno how you'd test it), if shown to be something that cannot be explained by any natural means and must be supernatural then you'd have the first bit of good evidence for anything supernatural! You'd even be up to winning a million USD, amazing!

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Quote: "If you think it's truly supernatural influences guiding your thoughts then get yourself scientifically tested(dunno how you'd test it), if shown to be something that cannot be explained by any natural means and must be supernatural then you'd have the first bit of good evidence for anything supernatural! You'd even be up to winning a million USD, amazing!"


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Posted: 21st Feb 2009 13:43 Edited at: 21st Feb 2009 13:43
Quote: "Or... maybe your one true love would more likey be found in a place that you are destined to meet her. If you believe in "destiny of true love", then you could easily believe in the destiny of a path to get there. If the connection is "meant to be", then maybe it is much more likely that the people involved are in a place that they are likely to meet."


The thing is, I don't believe in destiny of true love, I find no reason to, though it comes off as quit a nice romantic sentiment (not one I'd use in a relationship, it'd be too much of a cliché and would come off hollow), I believe the are people out there that you can become really, really close to and simply 'click', I've seen some relationships like it, but I also believe that the people in those relationships could find somebody else they click just as well with.

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The only epiphanies I tend to get (other than "ah, so that's how I do that maths question) tend to be about looking at the world in a new light. You know, stuff like "the majority of the world's population lives in third-world conditions" or "maybe we *have* achieved as near a Utopia as we can, without it falling apart". But that's just my brain turning over stuff subconsciously and going "ooh!" when it sees something it hasn't seen before. Future wives? Not really.

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I get these from time to time. I'll be doing my average everyday thing when *wham* I get this sudden urge in my stomach and think "yep, I need the toilet... badly..."



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Your stomach tells you that you need the toilet? I'd hate to know how your system works, usually it's my bladder being full that tells me...or...well I won't get descriptive there.

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Quote: "Agreed, the notion that there could only be one perfect match for you is absurd..."


For what it is worth, here is how I think it works:
There are many people that any person would be compatible with. There are very few people that a person could have "true love" with. The thing is, once you meet one of those "few" people and fall completely in love with them, then there is no way you could ever have that "special" thing with anyone else.
So, in short, I think there is ONE person out there for everyone. It is just that there are a lot of different people that could be that ONE person for you. Once you find it, it's ruined you (in a good way ) forever.


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Love is overrated.


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Quote: "The thing is, once you meet one of those "few" people and fall completely in love with them, then there is no way you could ever have that "special" thing with anyone else."


I completely agree with this statement. I've never completely fallen in love with anyone, but I read this book once called I Kissed Dating Goodbye which touched on that subject. It said that if you fall in love multiple times you give each person a piece of your heart that you can never take back. Some of you probably have heard of that book, it's quite a good read (even if you don't agree with the concept of it). Anyway Ron, what you say is very true.

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Its called being naive, and it applies to a lot more than relationships

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