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dark coder
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Posted: 18th May 2009 00:47
Quote: "What exactly are we already doing? Giving the vaccine to those who want it, which is what we should be doing for ALL diseases regardless of how deadly it is."


We are raising awareness off the new illness. If you became sick and thought it was just flu would you go to the doctor asking for swine flu medication or even a check to see if it was swine flu if you had heard nothing about it? Of course not. You probably wouldn't go to the doctor unless it started getting really bad, but by this time you'd have probably spread it to many people and because this easily transmissible virus has a higher mortality rate than other flus or colds it's not a very good scenario. Whereas if everyone knows swine flu is about and local reports say it's in town and you get ill then you'd likely minimize contact with other people more than you normally would thus potentially saving lives.

Quote: "The thing about the cars was just an example. I guess it is a bad one, looking back at it now, so here's a better one: STDs. There are a crapload of STDs which are more deadly than Swine Flu, so should ban sex?"


All of your examples are bad, I'm amazed you can't see the issues with correlating them yourself, luckily Seppuku is doing a good job of showing the errors.

Quote: "you're just saying my arguments are retarded instead of actually showing why they are."


I've already stated a rebuttal suitable to counter any of your rubbish comparisons earlier in the thread, so why repeat myself when I can just give you the cut down version?

Quote: "If there's a flaw in one of my arguments, say it. Just calling it retarded doesn't help your position in a debate."


Lecturing me on debating eh? Perhaps you should re-read the sections on not making up baseless 'facts', not going in circles etc, or all of it.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 04:13
Quote: "We are raising awareness off the new illness."


That's fine, but what the media's doing right now is obsessing about it and drawing attention away from more pressing matters like... (I can't say, because the AUP forbids political discussion) It's great to know about it, but there are more important things that need to be dealt with first. But I think you missinterpreted what I was saying. This is what we're doing right now: we're giving the vaccine to those who want it, which is what we should be doing for every disease, regardless of how deadly it is, anyway.

Quote: "All of your examples are bad"


Fine. All I'm saying is that there are vastly more important things that we should be concerning ourselves with.

Quote: "Lecturing me on debating eh?"


He he he...
You'd have a much different opinion of me if you knew what my occupation in real life was, and how manipulative I can really be....

This argument is going no where. I believe that 98% chance of survival is enough for me to not worry about it all that much, and you believe that, for whatever reason, 2% chance of death means that it could turn into a global epidemic. Neither of us can convince the other of our point of view, so what's the point of continuing the argument?

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Posted: 18th May 2009 04:58 Edited at: 18th May 2009 04:59
Quote: "There are a crapload of STDs which are more deadly than Swine Flu, so should ban sex?"

The problem with these "banning things" analogies is that we are not trying to ban swine flu, nor are we trying to ban pigs. Nor does anybody take either of those suggestions seriously . We are trying to decide exactly how dangerous swine flue is.



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Posted: 18th May 2009 11:30
Quote: "That's fine, but what the media's doing right now is obsessing about it and drawing attention away from more pressing matters like... (I can't say, because the AUP forbids political discussion) It's great to know about it, but there are more important things that need to be dealt with first. But I think you missinterpreted what I was saying. This is what we're doing right now: we're giving the vaccine to those who want it, which is what we should be doing for every disease, regardless of how deadly it is, anyway."


Agreed.

Quote: "We are trying to decide exactly how dangerous swine flue is."


Not on a personal level, the mortality rate is not that large, what makes it potentially dangerous is mass effect. Not sure it will come to that, though.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 14:22
Quote: "That's fine, but what the media's doing right now is obsessing about it and drawing attention away from more pressing matters like... (I can't say, because the AUP forbids political discussion) It's great to know about it, but there are more important things that need to be dealt with first."


The media always obsesses and reports what sells as opposed to what's the most important. Though the media seems to report as it as that's the only problem the government are currently dealing with I am sure that every department in the US government (or any other government) is focusing just on the swine flu, I mean surely that's why different responsibilities are spread out, so I'm sure the financial crisis isn't something that the medical side of the government can help with. But hey at least the UK media has a different distraction from the financial crisis and that's our current government scandal.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 15:39
Quote: "You'd have a much different opinion of me if you knew what my occupation in real life was, and how manipulative I can really be...."


That's the stupidest thing to say. Your career in real life isn't going to help you win a debate on an internet forum, nor is it going to give you any sort of edge. Changing your opinion on someone because of their career is rather strange if you ask me.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 15:41
Thought this was a pretty apt description of swine flu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO-R3hg9rnY&feature=channel

To be honest I don't think swineflu is any more than smoke and mirrors, its a way to get everyone to look the other way straight after one of the UKs worst budget reports in years. We're all going to be heavily taxed and over the next few years things are going to get steadily worse. Swine flu is a nice way of taking peoples minds off losing their home , job and standard of living by distracting them with a disease that you have a 100 in 6,706,993,152 chance of being killed by.

The greatest irony I think is that fallen one is spouting all this iluminati, elite ruling the world gaga, whilst falling right into the trap thats been set for you. Sure the media want you to spend hours on forums and in coffee shops discussing how you might catch the worlds slowest moving pandemic and whether you're going to take the (potentially laced with mind control drugs) flu vaccine, when what you should really be doing is asking yourself what the hell is going on with the management of our country.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 17:42
Quote: "Quote: "You'd have a much different opinion of me if you knew what my occupation in real life was, and how manipulative I can really be...."

That's the stupidest thing to say. Your career in real life isn't going to help you win a debate on an internet forum, nor is it going to give you any sort of edge. Changing your opinion on someone because of their career is rather strange if you ask me."


Being manipulative isn't a good thing either, I'd argue that a debate isn't about 'winning' as a lot of our politicians seem to take it, so manipulation should not be a part of debate, it should be about find the answers and a debate could well be left at a draw when somebody is unchanged by the opposing argument and needs to learn more about their own side or are incapable of arguing further. I debate religion and philosophy quite a bit and have arrived at Christians events like "Questions about God" to debate as an atheist and I find and accept that people on the otherside aren't necessarily going to be able to answer everything, so I don't manipulate them into telling me they're wrong, nor do they manipulate me. I find that on religious forums...well not always, sometimes an atheist, a Christian or a Muslim will try and 'win' and manipulate the argument to support themselves and as far as I am concerned, that is bad debating (as is insulting another person's intelligence, well, that can sometimes be more petty than anything).

Though rightly said, a career has nothing to do with the debate - unless of course you're an expert on the subject under the debate. None of us as far as I am informed are scientists working with Swine Flu, so we essentially argue sources and speculation.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 18:51
Seppuku, don't you ever get tired of explaining the most basic things to people?

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Posted: 18th May 2009 23:45 Edited at: 18th May 2009 23:46
And so we return to the exiting conclusion of "Argument", here's a sum up of what has happened during the past three pages: "Swine Flue kills some people; not all, and people either like it or not". Now let's continue on with the show.


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Posted: 19th May 2009 01:30 Edited at: 19th May 2009 01:31
Quote: "Seppuku, don't you ever get tired of explaining the most basic things to people?"


I've got quite into a habit of it on a couple of other forums I've been on where people really do require it before continuing the debate, debating on TGC can actually be quite a break from some places. Though I do have a lot of patience, if only you could see the kind of places I visit on the net.

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Posted: 19th May 2009 14:03
I'd rather not. My patience is abundant, but not by that much. I have enough work as it is by explaining satire to people on youtube.

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Posted: 19th May 2009 14:53
Oh youtube people are fun, they're so edgey and hostile.

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Posted: 20th May 2009 04:01
I love saying wild and crazy things, like what I said about my so called "occupation", just to see how people react. Hence, I'm manipulative. Not politician style manipulative, more playfully manipulative.

Quote: "The media always obsesses and reports what sells as opposed to what's the most important."


Of course it does, and that's exactly what it's doing right now with the Swine Flu.

The only reason why I'm in this discussion at all is because I was trying to see what people who believe that the disease is indeed a serious problem, like Dark Coder, say about it. I'm essentially doing an experiment: seeing how people react to different things that I say. I know that I'll never be able to convince people of my point of view if they truly believe in the opposite one, so that's not my goal.

I won't say why I am one, because the AUP forbids it, but it's good to see that I'm not the only athiest on this forum.

Actually, I think I'll stop participating in this discusion, 'cause it's in danger of breaking the political rule in the AUP and I don't want to get in trouble with the mods.

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@Herakles - Why do you keep stressing the AUP in every post you make? And why bring up the fact your an atheist into the discussion?

If you can't say something without breaking the AUP, then don't say it. Don't go on about it.

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Posted: 20th May 2009 08:34
Yah, nothing annoys me more than people full-out breaking the AUP, then saying they won't talk any more about it for fear of breaking the AUP. Ummm.

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Posted: 20th May 2009 15:58
I'll insult all of the mods, but I won't go further than a simple swear in fear of breaking the AUP, you're all a bunch of...

...lovely people.

Though I don't see what being an atheist or a theist has to do with the 'Truth About Swine Flu', given the discussion itself is not a religious one, I mean I can see how it can be twisted into one, but we're not discussing that.

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I was just saying that in response to what you said about being an atheist. I really just threw that in there as an afterthought.

And the reason why I say alot about the AUP is because I'm messing with people to see their reactions. Like I said, I'm manipulative.

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Quote: "The greatest irony I think is that fallen one is spouting all this iluminati, elite ruling the world gaga, whilst falling right into the trap thats been set for you."


And what trap is that I have fallen into?
Also elite ruling the world gaga, I could end that 'instantly' by breaking down the word 'democracy' but it may fall into a violation of the AUP, note to mods, can I break the word down, and point out the meaning drawing on some of the Greek and Latin within the word, or if not, can I link to an image with a breakdown of the meaning?

Also, - elite ruling the world gaga.
The world is ran by NGO's (Non-governmental organization), foundations and societies and private corporations, all are non elected. And if I get the go ahead, Ill teach you the true meaning of the word 'democracy', and end any silly notion you may have that your opinions, and that of any of your contemporaries, actually mean anything in running business, that is of no concern or influence by you, or anyone else, perhaps you should take it to the top and complain to the U.N. oh, but its a private NGO, and you don't have any say with them, do you, nor anything else for that matter. Infact you don't even have a say in who wins the silly reality tell-the-vision programs, its been made quite clear they are rigged plenty of times for 'you' They even rigged and admited that they cheated on the naming competition phone in for the Blue Peter cat, yes thats right, you are too stupid to name a cat, so your betters will do it for you, regardless of what you vote for. Look, 'you' don't have a say in anything in the world period, though it is amusing some of you seem to think you do.

I also like how you bee-lie-V that what happens in the world is a coincidence and that no one can see things coming, ohh they are just big silly billies, they just cant get it right, they just cant make it all nice e wice for us, they just make all these mistakes, surly nothing could be done on purpose, they just love us and would never do bad de bad thing to us.
Why not, what you going to do about it, nothing thats what, now go watch your Pop Idol and eat your pop tart treats.

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Posted: 21st May 2009 04:28
@fallen one - I hope you're joking. I've heard all of those ridiculous claims in smaller snippets for decades, but never all put together. Sounds like something you'd read on the bathroom stall at a rest stop

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Posted: 21st May 2009 05:02
Quote: "And the reason why I say alot about the AUP is because I'm messing with people to see their reactions. Like I said, I'm manipulative."


That's not called 'manipulative', it's called 'being a jerk'.

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Quote: "And the reason why I say alot about the AUP is because I'm messing with people to see their reactions. Like I said, I'm manipulative."


If you have to be manipulative, do it somewhere else please. Winding people up for the sake of it actually does break the AUP.

3.12 We do not tolerate 'trolling', the process of posting inflamatory messages for the sake of starting an argument, or being plain obnoxious.

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Posted: 21st May 2009 05:57 Edited at: 21st May 2009 14:46
Quote: "@fallen one - I hope you're joking. I've heard all of those ridiculous claims in smaller snippets for decades, but never all put together. Sounds like something you'd read on the bathroom stall at a rest stop "


Lets make it interesting.
Give me permission to break up the word - Democracy and Government, Ill also be using the word atheist to illustrate why an 'A' is put before words, only for language use, nothing to do with religion, just as an example of the rules of language, let me break the 2 words down, Democracy and Government, and you can make up your own mind, ill show you the real structure of the words, and you can make your thoughts from that.

Of course I ask permission, so I don't break any AUP rules, I don't think I am talking about politics in any way, I talk about private organisations, non government bodies, so it is impossible for me to contrine any AUP on politics ever, and in the sake of wanting permission on breaking the words down, I am doing so for language means, not actual talk on politics, I would never waste my time on talking about politics, I have more important serious matters to think about, than nonsense.

Also this economy thing Butters brought up, you don't lose money into nothing, it just goes into someone else's hands, someone loses money, and someone else gains it, or if not they pertain to lose money, nice big bailout payout those banks got didn't they, hope you like paying your taxes, because you are paying for it, and you 'will' be paying for it. Nice centralisation of them as well in the re structuring process, I even like how some have been 'none privatised', the '*****' can take over your mort-gage (mort - death / gauge - measure) put you on section 8 my American friends will know, a nation of renters me thinks don't you, I hope I don't have to explain how one inflates the housing market and then crashes it and cashes in. Look this has all been done before during the wall street crash of the 20s, same thing, just a different age, then it was stocks, now is property, now is the milking time of the public purse, lets see those juicy teats gentlemen please, massa wants his fill.

Though don't get confused thinking, that I shall be worrying about what the silly public experience, or what they think for that matter. I just like to light my flames for fun of seeing the startling light in the familiarity of others darkness.

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Quote: "A present, there are 78 confirmed cases of swine flu in the UK."

bullsheet there are 14 cases in the UK. And why would britain order 90 million vaccines when we only have a population of 60 million?
I don't know where orange are getting there news from but maybe we just stick to respected sources and not mobile phone companies.

Honestly swine flu is nothing. It is almost identical to normal seasonal flu. Yes we don't want it to spread but as soon as the government act people assume this is the next black death. Get over yourselves and stop being so pathetic. We will be laughing about this in a few months just like bird flu.

how do you cure bird flu?
give them tweetment.
how do you cure swine flu?
give them oinkment.

I have better things to waste my time on than this.

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Posted: 22nd May 2009 01:58 Edited at: 22nd May 2009 02:09
Demos is the ancient Greek word for people. This is where we get English words like "demography" (the study of peoples) and "epidemic" (a disease that goes "among the people").

Kratia is the ancient Greek word for rule. We get English words like "autocracy" and bureaucracy from it.

So Demoskratia is where we get the English word Democracy. If you don't believe me, you can Google it. It's a simple etymology, how is that against the AUP?

And I don't see how I'm being a jerk, I'm not offending anyone (at least I'm not trying to). And I'm not trying to start an argument just to throw insults back and forth or be obnoxious, I'm just seeing how people react to the things I say. And when I say react, I mean the specific words in which they react. I want to know how people talk, and I can't do that in real life because I can't analyze what people say and how they say it after they've said it. Knowing how people talk will help me with the dialogue intensive games that I intend to make. On a forum, I can read the "conversation" for however long I wish. If someone was truly annoyed by it, then I would stop. But nobody who I've done this to has told me so yet, so I have no reason to stop.

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Quote: "so I have no reason to stop."


Yes... You do.

You are starting to wind up some people with all this "Manipulative", AUP "Dodging" nonsense.

For Example:

Quote: "Actually, I think I'll stop participating in this discusion, 'cause it's in danger of breaking the political rule in the AUP and I don't want to get in trouble with the mods."


Quote: "I was going to say something about Mexico's health care system, but it might be against the AUP, so I won't."


Quote: "
That's fine, but what the media's doing right now is obsessing about it and drawing attention away from more pressing matters like... (I can't say, because the AUP forbids political discussion)"


Quote: "
I'll delete that last sentence if a mod tells me it's too political."


Quote: "I was going to say something about what I just quoted above, but it'd be dancing on the edge of breaking the AUP, so I won't say it. Let's just say, I agree with you 100%."


Just give it a rest.


You are more than welcome to join in on a healthy discussion, but there isn't any need for all of this.

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Bigadd has a point, you are heavily implying things that would break the AUP. If people who are sensitive to those issues gathered your hidden meaning it could start a heated political discussion.
Personally I think this is a pretty pointless thread as the only way it could be interesting is to go political, and this just isn't the right forum for those discussions.

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Quote: "That's fine, but what the media's doing right now is obsessing about it and drawing attention away from more pressing matters like... (I can't say, because the AUP forbids political discussion)""


If I had said what those pressing matters were, then I would have broken the AUP. But I didn't say anything more. I said everything I could up to the point where it would have required me to break it.

Quote: "I'll delete that last sentence if a mod tells me it's too political.""


But no mod ever told me to delete it. I can't know what you want of me unless you actually tell me, I'm not psychic. If you want me to delete something, then say something like "Please delete this sentence, it breaks the rules" and I'll be happy to delete it.

Quote: "Quote: "I was going to say something about what I just quoted above, but it'd be dancing on the edge of breaking the AUP, so I won't say it. Let's just say, I agree with you 100%.""


Would you rather I have actually said what I was going to say? I agreed with him, but I would have broken the rules if I had said why.

Quote: "this just isn't the right forum for those discussions."


That's what's frustrating me. I want to talk about these things, and people ask these questions, but the rules hold me back. I think this is a sign for me that I should stop coming to the Geek Culture section. It's just too tempting for me to get into discussions like this where saying my point of view would break the AUP. It's an unhealthy waste of time anyway.

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Quote: "I think this is a sign for me that I should stop coming to the Geek Culture section."


Yes, it is. Bye.

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Posted: 22nd May 2009 04:53 Edited at: 22nd May 2009 05:05
As its OK to post language definitions.
Cant be bothered to source the greek and latin, you can do that yourself, not that your interested one bit.

democracy
de-mock-cracy
of-pretend, feigned; not real; sham-rule

demos-'a'cracy
mob-none-rule

putting an a, negates the word, as in, theist, believe in god, atheist, the 'a' reverses the meaning, so non belief in god, as cracy means rule, acracy means non rule.

we can also of course see the word cracy in -
aristocracy
aristo-cracy
best-rule

And for our last language lesson.

Goverment
Govern-mente
Control-mind; thought

And with that I think I have just about summed 'everything' up if you read all my posts in this thread.

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Posted: 23rd May 2009 00:41
Herakles, the whole argument 'manipulation' thing is perhaps a problem area because the point of a discussion is not to 'win' thus manipulation is undesirable, given it makes the thing entirely unfair. If this is just a whole 'lets see how people react' then that just means you're playing a game and not entering a real debate - in a psychological study I'm fairly sure this would be classed as unethical - or at least breaking some of their standards. Rather than manipulating people or provoking them, why not just observe, if you can't find what you want, don't cause it, otherwise people will have a reason to be annoyed.

If you're going to enter a debate then put your own views on the line and argue those out as a real argument/discussion.



As far as the AUP goes, it isn't that hard to stick to it, I always feel as though there's so much more I should say, then think, actually no, I won't mention anything to do with it. There are plenty of religious and political forums you can visit. Political and religious debate on these forums can lead to people being easily offended or somebody spoiling it or things getting so heated that people can't contain themselves. Given the community is diverse in age, country, gender (yes, not everybody here is a bloke, even if there are only a small number of females), religion, political background, class, ideologies and philosophies. Given this is not a political or a religious forum, it isn't fair to have these kind of discussions, particularly as we'd be running the mods out of breath (well cyber-breath).

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I don't want to provoke anyone. Nobody had said anything about being offended before. Now that people are saying they're offended, I'll stop.

Quote: "If you're going to enter a debate then put your own views on the line and argue those out as a real argument/discussion."


The problem is that saying my real view would ussually brake the AUP.

Quote: "As far as the AUP goes, it isn't that hard to stick to it, I always feel as though there's so much more I should say, then think, actually no, I won't mention anything to do with it."


I don't have that kind of willpower. I think it's best for me just to avoid situations where I would be tempted into something like that.

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Posted: 23rd May 2009 04:24
Sorry, it's just that's how you seemed to make your intentions sound. But you are trying to manipulate people, I can't see how intentionally manipulating people for reactions to record in a serious discussion is right.

Though I could probably guarantee that if you visit forums where you can openly discuss your views the you might feel less inclined to express them here, because you will have exercised them here. I can see what you're saying as for willpower, I used to bite my tongue to avoid getting political or religious, as both things I am interested in. But thankfully my Universty's forums is great for talking politics and well I have another forum to visit for religious discussions.

It saves having to feel as though Geek Culture is a no-go zone.

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Posted: 23rd May 2009 04:54 Edited at: 23rd May 2009 04:57
Quote: "Cant be bothered to source the greek and latin, you can do that yourself, not that your interested one bit."


I would take the time to look it up, you couldn't be farther off. You can't just pick words that rhyme with the syllables of the word your trying to analyze.

And guys, seriously we get it, swine flu is overblown, the media is trying to control people, whitey's keeping us down... it's done.

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Posted: 24th May 2009 18:21 Edited at: 24th May 2009 19:32
Quote: "ionstream - I would take the time to look it up, you couldn't be farther off. You can't just pick words that rhyme with the syllables of the word your trying to analyze."


Yes, that's right, YOU, go and take the time to look it up.
And yes YOU, will 'see' I am correct.

If you want rhyme then go talk to a cockney, 'me old china'.
Words are made up of other words added together to form new meanings, its a very easy idea to 'understand'. under-stand, to to stand under, to look under the supporting weight to bear a foundation of what lies above. Do you UNDERSTAND.

This is very simple stuff, if you can't get 'IT' then the problem 'lies-lays' down with 'EWE' - Baaahhhh.
Go and 'compile' that if ewe can. Now run along.

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Posted: 25th May 2009 01:46
The two words under and stand do not relate directly to the word understand. Given the 'understand' does not mean of anything being of a position beneath any kind of stand. Though words do have their origins, they don't all mean the same thing as their origins because of a thing called 'language change', and splitting parts of words and looking up their meaning doesn't mean their definition equates to the definitions of the two words you've ended up with. Do you position yourself beneath the tripod? (Understand?)

I've studied this sort of thing and knew straight away where to look and have looked them up.

Government:

Govern - from greek; κυβερνάω (Steer, drive, guide, pilot)
-ment; you focus on the workd 'ment' forgetting that it is a suffix. In latin it is: -amentum (later -mente) which is:
Quote: "Used to form nouns from verbs, the nouns having the sense of "the action or result of what is denoted by the verb"."


Though mente as a noun means 'mind', when used as a suffix it does not.

The noun for somethig to steer or guide, not mind-control

Democracy:

Ancient Greek - δημοκράτια (dēmokratia)

δῆμος (dēmos), “‘common people’”)
κράτος (kratos), “‘rule, strength’”)

Rule of the common people, not 'sham-rule'

Aristocracy:

Ancient Greek - άριστοκρατία (aristokratia)

aristos - 'best'

thus 'rule of the best' not 'best rule' (though you came in close)


All you've really done is play with words, not looked at them properly and poorly analysed them to try and make up some false definitions - though the split up definitions don't mean entirely the same thing combined in English but sometimes compounds can change meanings and certainly language does change over the years and not just in spelling or the writing system, but meaning too.


As for getting other people look up for you, that's not how debate tends to work, if somebody questions your sources you don't tell them to look it up but you should be able to provide them straight up (having read/watched them) rather having somebody spend time going through google. If you don't know your sources or the sort of place to find them, then your argument will come off weak and gives plenty of reason to doubt your validity.

I'd be tempted to say something sarcastic and patronising as you just did, but I'm not going to be so harsh.

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Posted: 25th May 2009 03:26
I didn't know you could put Greek letters in a forum post like that. How did you do that?

The problem with going to forums made specifically for political or religious discussion is that you always get wackos who believe the most idiotic things in the world and just don't listen to a voice of reason. There's no rational discussion.

We're not really talking about Swine Flu anymore, so why is this thread still going?

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Posted: 25th May 2009 19:31
You do get some wackos, you've just got to know where to look, but sometimes wackos act as good devil's advocates, because no doubt they'll keep contradicting you.

Quote: "I didn't know you could put Greek letters in a forum post like that. How did you do that?"


I just copy and pasted them, you can basically use any of the symbols in the given font.

Quote: "
We're not really talking about Swine Flu anymore, so why is this thread still going?"


That's just the way threads go sometimes, it can be better not to start a new separate thread when the main topic of the current thread has died.

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