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Posted: 14th May 2009 03:49 Edited at: 14th Feb 2018 22:20
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Posted: 14th May 2009 04:42
Parenting! What will they think of next? You may not think so now, but it's much better than parents not paying attention to what their children are doing.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 04:45
Quote: "Parenting! What will they think of next? You may not think so now, but it's much better than parents not paying attention to what their children are doing."


Absolutely right!I would rather a parent be overprotective than the opposite.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 14:10
Lawl, when I was a little calf, I used to not only draw guns, but guns firing at teachers by me and blood and skulls all over the place. I also put names above the drawings to show which person I was killing, and how.

I can tell from experience that people overreact. I had to visit the school shrink thing only for some 'controversial' artwork. That sets a bad example as thought-provoking things should be encouraged for a creative and free society.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 14:38
That is an example of bad parenting in full flow, in my opinion. A parent who gets upset cos a child draws a gun probably has no idea why the child draws the gun in the first place. If they actually knew their child they might understand that the kid has a fascination with adventure and invention and gadgets etc. and drawing guns is just a symptom. If it really upsets them, they could probably engage with their child, and get them into something else that would interest them just as much.

But parenting like that is an over-protective example of clueless banning of harmless things, forcing a child to hide things like that from their parents, and close into a private world. That's a very minor example of the sort of parenting that creates the "he was such a sweet boy, we had no idea he was hiding a desire to stab babies to death".

Most people aren't cut out to be parents these days.
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Posted: 14th May 2009 14:58
And you deducted all of this from his post. Brilliant!

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Posted: 14th May 2009 15:17
No, mine was just a generic comment on the subject. But I drew guns and axes and decapitations all through my childhood, and I've only murdered a handful of people.
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Posted: 14th May 2009 15:24
It upsets me when my son draws this sort of stuff, because he always draws it on MY work! - I have a nicely drawn humanoid turtle concept (A turtle standing up), side views, good detail, really it was an inspiration to use when making the model. But, now my turtle man has a crudely drawn AK47 and a penis - not quite as inspirational.

I really don't mind what my son draws, as long as it's relevant. If he started drawing weapons for no reason then honestly, I would keep a closer eye on him. I think it's pretty clear that your dad simply does not realize why you would want to draw a weapon, he might not appreciate why you want to make a violent videogame either.

Now the arrogant part...

Have you thought that your probably gonna have to dumb things down so your parents can appreciate what your trying to do?
Think about how you can raise the subject and also discuss it with your parents without them coming to the discussion pre-loaded with concerns.

I would think about what you need to model, what you can practice on, and what you can do relatively quickly - but also something non-violent that your dad can relate to or even help with. For example, what if you asked him to help you model his car? - taking photo's rough measurements etc etc, then from that explain why you'd want a model of a car, weapon, girl with big boobs, whatever!
If you can show your parents that you have a talent in that area that could lead to a career, then you'll get more support and less hassle, simple as that. It doesn't need to be a car, just something that would interest him, then that would open up avenues for discussing these things and make it easier to breach the subject when you need something from them, like a new digi-camera or something.


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When my son started drawing guns I chopped his hands off, he doesn't draw guns anymore. He also made a terrible racket when I was cutting them off so I cut out his tongue and his voice box.
Now he's the best behaved kid in school!

Van B is right though.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 18:50
My parents banned me from playing Killer7 when they found out how... controversial it was. I didn't want to play it for the violence or the rape scene, of course: I wanted to play it because it was an abstract and compelling work of art. So I just played it whenever they went out. Ironically, this actually made me appreciate the game more

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Posted: 14th May 2009 18:57
This reminds me of when I was about 5. I had to keep going to hospital (to see the phycologist). They sat me down with pens and paper and I drew a grave.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 19:01
I really hate all of this nonsense. It's not what children draw, it's their interpretation and meaning behind it that matters.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 19:33
I used to draw guns when I was at primary school, when we had art classes I remember drawing a guy with a sniper rifle, why? Video games and movies, I just thought they were cool. My teacher? He thought my drawing was good, and didn't question the psychology behind it, because he knew that I wasn't a problem case.

I think it's okay to be concerned when you don't know what's going on or if you're unsure on what something means, but not to freak out and jump to conclusions. I suppose after things like Columbine the thought is in somebody's head, but it needn't be. Kid's play 'gun' games all of the time, I used to pretend I was James Bond as a little critter, I shot my friend a few times whilst singing the Bond tune. Toy guns were fun and having a wide imagination so I could do things like that was fun...but today I have to compensate that imagination with FPS games and that fact I'd look strange chasing a friend down the street with a toy gun, yelling "Die terrorist!".

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Posted: 14th May 2009 19:45
Quote: "...today I have to compensate that imagination with FPS games and that fact I'd look strange chasing a friend down the street with a toy gun, yelling "Die terrorist!"."



Jumping to conclusions isn't the best thing to do as a parent, but I'd rather my parents show that much concern for me than just acting like it wasn't happening. It proves they really do care.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 20:13
Quote: "It proves they really do care."


Or at least that they're paying attention, even if not all the time or at all the right things. It's a tough job to do well! Looking back, I wish I had spent more time with my girls. I can't get that time back, but they turned out pretty spectacular anyway.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 20:26
Yes, indeed Yodaman. It's a difficult one, because there's nothing wrong with a kid drawing guns and it's not good to tell them off for it, but I suppose it's one of those things to be left up to judgment not thinking the worse because 'just in case'.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 20:40
Quote: "I really don't mind what my son draws, as long as it's relevant. If he started drawing weapons for no reason then honestly, I would keep a closer eye on him. "

Amen. THAT is proper parenting!

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Posted: 14th May 2009 21:41 Edited at: 14th May 2009 21:41
I used to buid guns of lego sometimes, and I have shot a total of 0 people in my life.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 22:20
Quote: "I used to buid guns of lego sometimes, and I have shot a total of 0 people in my life."


This is mainly because guns constructed from lego are notoriously unreliable.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 22:31
You apparently know nothing of Mr Z's lego-building skills.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 23:03
Quote: "You apparently know nothing of Mr Z's lego-building skills."


I always found that K'NEX guns could be made to be more accurate and lighter Also, it was easier to make the gun fire on a trigger press. (Elastic bands FTW!)

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Posted: 15th May 2009 01:17
<Funny related story>

I once did a test where my pulse was measured and then I was shown a series of pictures. My pulse could then apparently be used to see which images made me the most excited. So there were boring pictures like an iron, and pictures designed to stimulate my mind like mass breastfeeding. But the two pictures that apparently excited me the most was a graveyard, and someone painting a crane.

It was most odd.

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Posted: 15th May 2009 02:58 Edited at: 15th May 2009 03:02
My mum used to help me make toy knives. The cardboard was always too thick for me to cut so I'd draw the knife and she would cut it out for me. I once drew a ninja throwing star but it had about 300 points on it and my mum didn't want to spend an hour cutting it out.

These modern kids just go for the real thing. If only someone would help them with the cardboard.

Did nobody play soldiers when they were little? I used to run around pretending to shoot other children all the time. Adults do this as well but they call it paintball.

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Posted: 15th May 2009 04:04
When I was little--maybe 5 or 6 years old--I made a book called "Cool Bombs". It was about ten pages, and each page had a picture of an imaginary bomb on it, and a little description of how many people it killed, how explosive it was, etc. I showed to my mom, and she didn't like it, and I started crying.

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Posted: 15th May 2009 04:15 Edited at: 15th May 2009 04:16
When I was little, I not only drew guns but bought the toy dollar store ones. Its just what I liked to do. Then I would go outside and act like I was a cop trying to shoot a robber or something. Its just having fun. Everyone takes it to seriously now. I agree with the people overreact thing, and yes to be honest I did draw penis's and boobs and stuff. Its just normal. I know lots of kids who used to do that stuff. As a parent I wouldn't be to worried about it. You should be more worried about his school work and school life. Not about a drawing he made. 95% of the time the kid is just fooling around.
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When I was little--maybe 5 or 6 years old--I made a book called "Cool Bombs". It was about ten pages, and each page had a picture of an imaginary bomb on it, and a little description of how many people it killed, how explosive it was, etc. I showed to my mom, and she didn't like it, and I started crying."


ROFL!


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Quote: "Did nobody play soldiers when they were little?"


It was very different when I was growing up. We played "cops and robbers" or "cowboys and Indians" all the time. We were constantly shooting each other with guns our parents bought us or made of sticks.

We hitch-hiked rides every day. We walked the streets after dark with never a worry of being hurt or kidnapped. We fought at school with our fists and knives were hardly ever seen... never used. Drugs were something done in other places you just heard about.

What changed?

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Posted: 15th May 2009 04:35 Edited at: 15th May 2009 04:40
Quote: "But the two pictures that apparently excited me the most was a graveyard, and someone painting a crane."


Hahaha, maybe your nick should be "Insert Brain Here" i'm curious, why were you subjected to such evil experiments?

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Posted: 15th May 2009 04:40
I come from a completely different era than some of you guys, an era we affectionately refer to as the 1980's. You shoulda seen the toy guns we had when I was little. Want an M-16 with a mounted grenade launcher that shoots little green plastic balls? An Uzi? An Enfield? An M-249 SAW? All you need is a time machine and directions to the nearest toy store .

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Posted: 15th May 2009 10:40 Edited at: 15th May 2009 10:40
Quote: "You apparently know nothing of Mr Z's lego-building skills."


Yeah, I managed to build a new space shuttle with 5 lego bits, some paint, and finally a space shuttle.

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Posted: 15th May 2009 10:55
Quote: "Most people aren't cut out to be parents these days."

That's something Rami needs to know....

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Posted: 15th May 2009 11:14
Ahh Matt, the A-Team era of toy UZI's, Action Man, Arnie vs Stallone, Robocop, The Equalizer (damn I loved that show) and of course the first Die Hard movie.

Back then there was simply no concern at all, nobody asked themselves if kids should really be playing with toy M16's and arguing about who get's to be Hannibal. I mean the only program telling us that war is not a fantastic holiday adventure was MASH.
Thing is though, none of those little spring loaded guns could hurt anyone, unlike the Airsoft guns we see these days, which lets face it, could easily damage a kids eyes. The worst thing that could hit you fired from an 80's toy gun is some manky potato.

My favorite toy guns from then were tiny die cast replicas, they would fire little red caps and were only about 1" long keyrings, adorable little things - especially the revolvers.


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Posted: 15th May 2009 12:58 Edited at: 15th May 2009 12:59
That was my era too. I had a nice little armoury.

I had a S&W revolver firing 8 cap circle clips (as per Vans description) complete with holster.
I also had an uzi and M16 - the type where you pull the trigger and internally it makes a spring loaded machine gun sound.
Later on I got a Luger capgun, with a magazine that took 52 strip caps! That got expensive. I loved the smell of the cap smoke that'd billow out of the air vents.
Around the same time I had one of those cool play knives where the blade would go into the handle when you stabbed someone. I remember being squeemish of my mate stabbing me with his. We used to have knife fights and I'd be afraid the blade would get stuck and he'd actually run me through.
I also had an air gun winchester rifle. It didn't fire anything, but you cocked it to put air into a chamber, which made a cool bang noise.

Ahh, those were the days.
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Posted: 15th May 2009 13:03
Unfortunately, it took me half the page to realise you were on about drawing guns with pencils, rather than drawing a gun from a holster... I dunno why I thought that...

I have no problem with any kid drawing what they want. If parents are gonna get upset by drawings, then theyll really get upset when they see action man...

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Posted: 15th May 2009 13:46
I have a massive hoard of toy guns from when I was five to ten. At that stage I realised I had no life and pursued more constructive things like modeling guns for computer games. That was a fair few years ago.

I went to the local show and bought showbags, those stupid ones with the cheap plastic SWAT watches... How embarrassing...

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Oh I had the coolest revolver cap gun, the caps were in rings to fit the wheel thing (whatever its called) and I had an ammo belt too!
I remember cutting one cap out and playing russian roulette with my brother haha.

And like xplosys said, when did this all happen?
I grew up in the early 90's and even then I was running around on my own or with friends from a very young age, I was very proud at being able to cross the road on my own at around 5 or 6 . I remember a school assembly telling us not to talk to strangers but that's the only thing I remember like that. That's a stupid thing to tell kids anyway, talk to strangers all you want just don't go walking off with them lol. That is really horrible now I think of it, making little kids think there are evil men waiting around every corner to snatch them away.
Real guns and knives were never mentioned and certainly not drugs. I was lucky to grow up in an area where that sort of thing doesn't happen.

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I grew up in the mid nineties and something definitely changed inbetween. To the point at which the school organised an annual field trip... to the road next to the school, where we were shown how to cross it and given tests.

It's got rediculous to the point at which my little brother now has a "pen licence". Why do schools have to be so pathetic nowadays?

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Quote: "It's got rediculous to the point at which my little brother now has a "pen licence""

Please explain.

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Posted: 16th May 2009 15:02 Edited at: 16th May 2009 15:02
You're not allowed to use a pen until you "earn" a "licence".

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I had to take a couple of tests to be able to use the pen. I also had to take the "zipper test" which would mean I had the responsibility of zipping my jacket up and the "shoelace test" which would give me the responsibility of tying my own shoes.
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Quote: "and the "shoelace test" which would give me the responsibility of tying my own shoes. "


You tie your own shoes?

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Quote: "You tie your own shoes?"


Nah, I never passed it, so here I am in junior high having my teachers tie my shoes for me right before the period ends so I can get to the next class without tripping.
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When I was in primary school we had to earn the right to use a pen, but I think it was a good system for learning, I mean I had to basically make no mistakes and write well before I got to use one, thus giving me an incentive to learn how to spell and not to make errors. The logic being a pen is more permanant than a pencil, you can rub out mistakes made with a pencil.

Though of course, since secondary school, that all changed, scribbling things out and making a mess all over the page, it's a good thing I can bring my laptop to lectures at Uni, otherwise my lecture notes would just be a total mess.


As for shoe laces, they're for squares, come on, velcro for the win! Pufft, who needs to learn laces?

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I never really learned laces until around the beginning of my freshman year in high school. I just never seemed to pick it up, and it was also due to my vision problem.

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Posted: 16th May 2009 19:25
Quote: "I grew up in the mid nineties and something definitely changed inbetween. To the point at which the school organised an annual field trip... to the road next to the school, where we were shown how to cross it and given tests."

I read a news article today which said that school ties are going to be phased out and replaced with clip-on ones for health and safety reasons Though it was the Daily Mail, so it may not be reliable.

We had to "earn" our pens in primary school - but they were fountain pens, so there was more potential for disaster. (Ironically, those finely-formed letters were actually rather unusual and spiky, and were only legible when perfectly formed; my writing is now as legible as a spider dancing across the page.)

Also, my parents did their best to keep me from being violent and so on, and didn't buy me (or let me buy - it came to the same thing when I was 5) any toy guns. We went to the beach one day, and I quickly seized upon a sort of gun-shaped stick. I think all children enjoy "violent" games, not because we're all malformed, twisted individuals but because it's a part of human nature and it's best to just say "ah, let him play with the stick".

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We had clip on ties a couple of years back. Being whipped in the face with a metal clip is waaaaay better than being whipped with a bit of fabric.

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Uhh, might I ask WHY DO WE HAVE TIES?

They do nothing but get in the way. Right, sit down, pick up pen, and... damned useless bit of fabric is covering my stuff again!

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Quote: "They do nothing but get in the way. Right, sit down, pick up pen, and... damned useless bit of fabric is covering my stuff again!"
That had me laughing for quite a while!

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I had a glue stick licence in primary school. However one day I rolled the glue back to far and the stick inside made a big hole in the glue. I then had my glue stick licence removed.

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Quote: "I had to take a couple of tests to be able to use the pen. I also had to take the "zipper test" which would mean I had the responsibility of zipping my jacket up and the "shoelace test" which would give me the responsibility of tying my own shoes."

And what happens to kids who don't pass these tests?

When I moved school at 8 years old they were shocked I couldn't do joined handwriting. I had special classes for a week, by which time I was good enough and was let back in to rejoin the "normal" kids

The only licence we had was cycling proficiency, they probably ban that now for safety reasons

But yeah I think all this health and safety stuff started around the late 90's, they now have it down to a fine art lol

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