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Posted: 17th May 2009 17:13
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Quote: "Quote: "I had to take a couple of tests to be able to use the pen. I also had to take the "zipper test" which would mean I had the responsibility of zipping my jacket up and the "shoelace test" which would give me the responsibility of tying my own shoes."
And what happens to kids who don't pass these tests?
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Nobody speaks of it, I'll just say not to eat food from McDonalds is all. You know the beef in their burgers? It's not beef.

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Pen and glue license for school? Weird. We never had those kinds of restrictions in school. In fact they forced us to use erasable pens in elementary school, which does NOT fare well for left-handed people like myself. I constantly had blue on my hands :-(

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The pens we had at primary school (when we finally go to use them) were suitable for lefties and righties, given they didn't smudge, though I did try using a fountain pen, but I had to be very careful. But now they seem to have some very 'cool' and 'stylist' handwriting pens for left-handers, I've nabbed one myself, it claims to 'improve your handwriting', but you know it's not true.

Though it's a step up from when being left-handed meant you were associated with the devil.

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Posted: 17th May 2009 23:40
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Quote: "And what happens to kids who don't pass these tests?"

It depends. Some were fed to the class hamster.
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Posted: 18th May 2009 00:56 Edited at: 18th May 2009 01:27
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Quote: "They do nothing but get in the way. Right, sit down, pick up pen, and... damned useless bit of fabric is covering my stuff again!"


The are for sticking in paper shredders. Its a tool for bankers made in the last depression as picking them off the street was demeed too costly.

In ICT we don't wear them as I pointed out they where a fire haszard and could set the person and server on fire. I didn't think my boss would buy it but he did. I pointed out that suits where too costly due to the clean costs as was had to drill holes in walls at the time. Which we thought was unfair now we where nothing but normal smart jeans and a t-shirt. He went with that as four IT staff ask for a pay rise before hand.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 01:05 Edited at: 18th May 2009 01:06
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I'm fairly certain that about 9 out of 10 male children draw violent or provocative drawings at one point or another. I have a drawing of a blood-soaked bart simpson in a folder somewhere that supports my point. Unless the individual exhibits similar ways of behaviour through other outlets and in everyday life, a few violent drawings aren't gonna hurt anyone and the kid certainly isn't gonna go columbine on everyone. I personally believe that the content of outlets such as drawing are heavily influenced by the occupations of the individual's daily life, specifically violent videogames and movies. I'm not saying it in an anti-gaming "GTA kills babies brains" sort of way, I'm just saying that an individual exposed to violence in the context of entertainment is more likely to perceive such materials in a light-hearted and amused manner. Accordingly, violent drawings would indicate desensitization to violence due to the idea that violence doesn't have to be taken seriously. For example, if I played ninja gaiden non-stop and started drawing pictures of ninjas splattering blood everywhere, there is no harm done because I'm just responding to the presence of harmless, non-realistic violence that is made to entertain. No harm done. Alternately, if I got bullied at school a lot, had an abusive father, an uncaring mother and became a recluse from society; then started drawing pictures of schoolmates being mutilated and being eaten by dogs, then it would suggest some deep-rooted psychological disorder because of the real violence and abuse I'd have been subjected to, thus the drawings may point to the bigger picture and serve as evidence of my anger towards the world, or whatever. Bottom line, a few violent pcitures and a few violent videogames (and yes, I'm shifting the discussion towards violence in videogames) isn't going to trigger a school shooting or a descent into madness.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 03:55 Edited at: 18th May 2009 08:03
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@Pus in boots
That's one long paragraph!

Personally I think it's a load of bollocks that playing violent videogames and watching violent films will in fact desensitize kids to violence. It's not real! It may seem real but when I watch a violent film, theres part of me going "Eww that's disgusting" and the other parts goes "Thank (Insert personal god of choice here) that's not real!"

To me I think that kids who play violent videogames who are then faced with real violence wouldn't know what to do! I also don't think that kids are really going to play a game then go out and shoot someone. Unless of course there, and this is serious, mentally unsound. There's a big difference between reality and fantasy.

Anyway that's my opinion, take it or leave it.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 05:01
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I agree, Vader. Sure, GTA is tasteless. Sure, it's a stupid waste of time. No, it does not make us want to run out on the street and start shooting people.



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My uncle won't let my cousin (2 years old) watch classic cartoons like Bugs Bunny because he thinks it's too violent and that he's gonna get angry and violent. I always watched those cartoons, and I haven't even killed 10 guys yet!
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Quote: "No, it does not make us want to run out on the street and start shooting people."


But does it increase your propensity to do such a thing, even just a little? That's whats important.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 07:02 Edited at: 18th May 2009 07:03
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Quote: "But does it increase your propensity to do such a thing, even just a little? That's whats important."

I doubt it. Unless someone is already mentally unstable, drunk or has another predisposition to commit violent acts, that person will always be able to distinguish between a video game and real life. They will make the distinction between clicking the mouse to shoot someone in a video game and pulling the trigger on a real, live gun, and they will know how serious one is versus the other.

Actually, that raises an interesting point. If someone who played a lot of violent games got drunk and got their hands on a weapon, they very well might become an "imitator" and do exactly what all the critics of violent games fear...discuss?



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Quote: "But does it increase your propensity to do such a thing, even just a little? That's whats important."
To me it depends on a lot of factors. As I was trying to say earlier, if for instance you grew up with abusive parents, got bullied at school and other events violent in nature, then your probably more desensitized to real violence. In which case the chances of you acting violently less hard a decision to make!

But I think that a normal (Ok whats normal?) kid who doesn't get bullied or beaten by parents that does play violent videogames will be able to see the difference between real violence and fantasy. Chances of acting violently are less probable.

Again this is my own opinion.

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Posted: 18th May 2009 13:38
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To me I think that kids who play violent videogames who are then faced with real violence wouldn't know what to do! I also don't think that kids are really going to play a game then go out and shoot someone. Unless of course there, and this is serious, mentally unsound. There's a big difference between reality and fantasy."


I think you may have misinterpreted my argument. I'm saying that videogames do not lead kids to commit acts of violence, or become screwed up. I'm saying the prospect of fantasy violence stays well within the realm of fantasy for the child, hence the silly, cartoonish drawings with blood everywhere. The child is using the concept of violence within the realm of fantasy (through the drawing) and so the child is more capable of distinguishing the line between fantasy and reality. Because the child sees it as fantasy and not reality, the child is not impacted psychologically by it. As for "being desensitised" to violence, I mean it in the sense that blood and gore in the context of fantasy will have less of a visceral impact on the child over time and use. As someone who has been exposed to a lifetime of violent videogames, I know. The fact that I am desensitised to violence means that I can distinguish fantasy violence from real violence all the better, which means I am LESS likely to shoot up my school.

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Posted: 19th May 2009 02:52
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Pus I knew what your point was! I was just sharing my personal opinion, I wasn't arguing with you! Sorry if it came across like that!

Quote: "As someone who has been exposed to a lifetime of violent videogames, I know. The fact that I am desensitised to violence means that I can distinguish fantasy violence from real violence all the better,"
What I mean is that I think that if your confronted now with a real violent situation, you'll find it horrific. As in your not desensitized to 'real' violence, only fantasy.
lol am I making any sense at all?

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Quote: "What I mean is that I think that if your confronted now with a real violent situation, you'll find it horrific. As in your not desensitized to 'real' violence, only fantasy.
lol am I making any sense at all?"


THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT! I mean that kids are desensitised to fantasy violence, so they can see the difference between fantasy violence and real violence.

Quote: " Pus I knew what your point was! I was just sharing my personal opinion, I wasn't arguing with you! Sorry if it came across like that!"


OK, let's just both acknowledge that we share the exact same opinion lol.

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Quote: "OK, let's just both acknowledge that we share the exact same opinion lol."
Cool, have a beer on me mate!

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When I was small,what did I do? Me and my friends built some wooden weaponry together,shoot each other with invisible bullets from wooden guns,drew some level designs(very stickmanish) and of course playing Quake,Half Life and other bloody games Im not violent except I busted up somebodys nose back in the day.

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Me and my buddy used to be great carpenters. We built miniature boats with accessories and them put lego figures on them and torched them in the river. We burnt everything and you could see the satanic fire in our eyes as the lego people melted in a fiery blaze.

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You burnt LEGO?

Now that is satanic.

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Yeah, there's no saving me now. Might as well embrace it and go all the way, watch MTV and go chav.

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I like to burn stuff

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Everything I say on this forum seems to go unnoticed.

Maybe if I say something more attention grabbing...

Food beer fast cars girls aliens robots monsters all fighting more beer barbecue explosions.

How's that.

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Ooh! Explosions!

Wait, who are you?



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Lol burning Lego is nothing to what I did. Me and my sister set fire to a wood shed in our backyard. Mum thought that she was inside and burnt alive! We're all okay, but the wood shed... Well... Lets just say that it's a little lopsided!

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My old foster brother and I tried to saw down a house once. The supports were wooden "stilts" in the garage, and we knew the owners were away. We got out these little saws and began sawing. We got caught. To this day I can't imagine how different my life would be if we were successful in removing those supports

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Jeku ftw! That is going in my signature as a classic quote. I did many things in my youth, but I never tried to saw down a house.

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Me and a friend built a tree house once, just to eventually burn it down when we had finished building it.


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What is it with computer geeks and burning things? When I was little I used to tie all my action figures to fireworks and watch them catch fire right before my eyes. And of course burning newspaper with a magnifying glass is a classic, for me at least.

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I remember carefully putting peoples ties in bunsen burners and waiting until they noticed. Looking back on it, it was pretty stupid.

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Note to self: Keep programmers away from fire.



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this is why i hate this country

everyone is so ******* paranoid about ******* everything

so glad i am moving to russia soon

Quote: "Parenting! What will they think of next? You may not think so now, but it's much better than parents not paying attention to what their children are doing."


i agree, but to a degree which this society does it is completley outrageous. it is completley destroying our childhood.
When i was a kid in russia, (5-10 yo) me and my buddies always played war with toy guns, we had an antire arsenal of toy guns. And we went to abandoned buildings to play war. Sometimes we even brought them to school. In russian Kindergarten, it was ok to have a toy gun or a toy tank or even a toy sword. i even remember one kid bringing in a cap gun (back ten they used to make em out of metal and they looked pretty real) it was OK. When i moved to USA, i made something that looks like a gun out of paper, and everyone freaked (and this was before (9/11)

i really hate this country of overprotective paranoid parents

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I'm glad I live in the UK, where no-one gives a sod.

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Canada has changed too. I used to play with cap guns with the neighbourhood kids, and run around playing cops and robbers. Nowadays a kid gets in trouble for doing a shooting gun hand gesture.

And when I was a kid my uncle would tell us scary ghost stories and scare us, but it was so fun. Recently I got in crap for doing a harmless little scare to my nephew who is 5 years old. My sister and mom got angry.

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Quote: "Canada has changed too. I used to play with cap guns with the neighbourhood kids, and run around playing cops and robbers. Nowadays a kid gets in trouble for doing a shooting gun hand gesture.

And when I was a kid my uncle would tell us scary ghost stories and scare us, but it was so fun. Recently I got in crap for doing a harmless little scare to my nephew who is 5 years old. My sister and mom got angry."


Wow that sucks.

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Actually, just to go off on a tangent, you have to be careful about scaring kids around that age. That's when most of your phobias develop. Most people who are afraid of spiders, for example, had a scary experience as a kid (say, one ran out at them and made them jump).

There's a lot of evidence to suggest, if you get a very young kid, and make them jump or scare them with something, it can stay with them for the rest of their life. It's all part of the learning process, to learn what's dangerous as they grow up.

... not that I'm saying you just ruined the kids life Jeku! I just find that subject interesting, so thought I'd share.

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Quote: "and I haven't even killed 10 guys yet!"


But 9, yes?

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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?

( I felt super sarcastic sorry).

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SUPER SARCASTIC!? GAARRGHH!!!

( I felt super overreactive sorry).

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Quote: "That's when most of your phobias develop. Most people who are afraid of spiders, for example, had a scary experience as a kid (say, one ran out at them and made them jump)."


Yes, my brother and sister used to put all sorts of horrible creepy crawlies down my back, including spiders, grasshoppers, daddy-long-legs etc. and they still creep me out - you'll never have me get a spider out of a bath, no matter how harmless it is. You can see why they're called irrational fears, I know your common house-spider won't hurt you.

But what you said seems to be very similar to what my psychology teacher said during 6th-form. The age certainly manners.

Though we've all grown up with ghost stories...then again what would you do if you saw a ghost? (Michael Jackson doesn't count)

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You do need to be careful with scaring kids. When I was three, I was almost bitten by a dog and I was absolutely terrified, and now I instinctively go really wary whenever I hear a dog bark or anything.

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My experiences with a dog are somewhat...interesting. Small dogs try to hump your legs, however some dogs are big enough for a whole human - having a dog chase you because of some twisted love it has for you is perhaps disturbing, yet amusing at the same time. Luckily I could climb trees.

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On the topic of dogs, a random dog chased my brother in the caravan park at butlins (or Haven, I forget). It seemed pretty pissed too. Good thing he made it to the caravan lol.

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I like fire...

But the only thing I've ever set on fire has been something I was allowed to burn...

EDIT:

Sorry, thought page 2 was the last page....

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Quote: "Yes, my brother and sister used to put all sorts of horrible creepy crawlies down my back, including spiders, grasshoppers, daddy-long-legs etc. and they still creep me out - you'll never have me get a spider out of a bath, no matter how harmless it is. You can see why they're called irrational fears, I know your common house-spider won't hurt you."


Yeah, I hate spiders too. I can trace it back to when my dad pretended to throw one at me when I was very young. The act of going "booooo!!!!" and pretending to throw this creature, and then my mum jumping made me brick it! Now I hate spiders. Luckily I've overcome it enough as I've got older to kill the bastards, but I've never been able to accept them in my room. I have to hunt them down!

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I've always had a fear of water, especially ocean water, lake water, or other kinds of non-pool water. I told my mother about this crazy, subconscious fear, and she said that I almost drowned as a kid (like just barely old enough to walk) in a lake we used to live near.

Even though I don't remember it, I was afraid of something for almost drowning.

Crazy stuff. I think Meet the Fockers had it right about the whole 'Brain like a sponge'.

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i really hate this country of overprotective paranoid parents"


Do you realize how many school shootings there have been? How worried parents can get when some demented kid shows up in school an starts killing people? Good, make your damn toy gun and bring your blind selfishness back to the Russia.
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I think the person who is blind here is you. Drawing a gun or playing with a toy is a totally different issue to grabbing a real gun, loading it with real ammo, walking up to a school and blowing class 3C's brains up the wall. In order to do that, you'd have to be unstable already.

The more pressure society places on an object such as a gun, the more its darker side will crave them.

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Toy guns aren't what makes psychotic killers, the issue is more underlying than that (personal issues, problems at home, problems at school, depression, life-issues themselves. But it's easier to blame something else). It seems a lot of people make the wrong connections when it comes to people's motives and the horrible crimes they commit.

Quote: "but I've never been able to accept them in my room. I have to hunt them down! "


Ooh, yes, moths and daddy-long-legs too, I won't sleep until I've gotten rid of them, even if it means that I go in as Van Helsing.

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Do you realize how many school shootings there have been? How worried parents can get when some demented kid shows up in school an starts killing people? Good, make your damn toy gun and bring your blind selfishness back to the Russia."


That, my friend, is a result of media sensationalism. Parents don't fear for their child's safety because of the fear of goth kids shooting them at school with an assault rifle. Mothers and Fathers have a natural protective bond over their child and while they may see school shootings reported in the news, it is not part of the everyday society in which they inhabit. Parents are much more concerned about their children being bullied at school, talking to strangers and getting into trouble with the wrong croud. These problems have a high prevalence in adolescant society and children are likely to face them at some point or another. What your saying is like saying that people can't go into London without expecting a bomb to go off right next to them. Yes, it has happened and yes, the media gives it extensive coverage, but it is not a general concern for people going about their daily lives. So tell me, do you honestly think that playing with toy guns like cowboys and indians has the same effect as carting a boot-full of firearms into school and shooting up the place?

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My argument is not that toy guns and drawings like that are bad, but he's insulting Americans for looking out for their children. I'm sorry everybody here isn't negligent.
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Posted: 28th May 2009 04:49 Edited at: 29th May 2009 14:58
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Edit: This thread was stupid and offensive and should never exist!
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