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Lonnehart
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Yep. Matter and Anti-Matter both totally destroy each other. And that conversion (like anything else that releases energy, from the most massive of stars to the most simplest of machines) contributes to the Universe' eventual fate of Heat Death. And with the Universe expanding so much, all that energy is lost in the huge volume of space. Even black holes radiate energy and they too will evaporate (well... explode) leaving only energy and a few particles of matter behind.

That second law of Thermodynamics is one sick <bleep!>.
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Quote: "I'm well aware of the commandments. I'm speaking of the general concept of god/s now. Not what religions say about them. We can't know for certain that the religious texts are 100% "genuine" for lack of better word."


Well, that makes sense. There's no way to be sure, I guess it takes a little faith.

Quote: "So, yeah... matter, anti-matter...."


Me knows nothin bout dat topic. So me will leave.


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mamaji4
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Posted: 15th May 2009 22:38 Edited at: 15th May 2009 23:27
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Actually it's all about Risk Management

The weatherman predicts something based on a mathematical model. But you can't take the risk of getting your Gucci shoes wet, because he might be right. And you believe him, a mere mortal.

God gives you the commandments. If you don't follow them because you don't believe, you risk losing your soul. Can you take that risk?
It's simple. If you can't take that risk it's better to believe than not to believe. If you can take that risk, I have nothing more to say.

I just thought I'd put it in its probabilistic perspective.

If at first you don't succeed, relax. You're like the rest of us.
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As for the original topic, the universe will eventually reach a state of perfect disorder, where if any particle were to move, it would become more organized. Basically, the universe will expand and cool to a point that the temperature reaches absolute zero, where even the electrons are frozen.

But it's only a guess, we haven't experienced the end of the universe enough times to know for sure. Maybe someday...

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Posted: 15th May 2009 22:40 Edited at: 15th May 2009 22:41
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Quote: "It takes more faith to be an athiest.
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I'm just sayin that I believe its more possible that a god exist and

made everything then that everything happened from chance.

This world is a orderly world it's run by laws and principles.

Laws and principles are not created by chance.So i don't have enouf

faith to be an athiest

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Mr Z
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Posted: 15th May 2009 22:50 Edited at: 15th May 2009 22:51
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God gives you the commandments. If you don't follow them because you don't believe, you risk losing your soul. Can you take that risk?
It's simple. If you can't take that risk it's better to believe than not to believe. If you can take that risk, I have nothing more to say."


I can. I know what I have given myself into... and who knows, we might all be wrong, and the true God goes by one name and one name only...

Ketchup.

(Sorry, couldn´t refuse to joke .)

Quote: "I'm just sayin that I believe its more possible that a god exist and

made everything then that everything happened from chance.

This world is a orderly world it's run by laws and principles.

Laws and principles are not created by chance.So i don't have enouf

faith to be an athiest"


And I don´t have enough faith to be something else, so it is something individual I guess . To each their own.

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mamaji4
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Posted: 15th May 2009 22:54 Edited at: 15th May 2009 23:15
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Quote: "I can. I know what I have given myself into... and who knows, we might all be wrong, and the true God goes by one name and one name only...

Ketchup.

(Sorry, couldn´t refuse to joke"


That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Joke as much as you want. It's your soul, not mine which is at risk.

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Ron Erickson
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Quote: "To each their own."


Yes. At least in this forum.
So, please no more religous discussion.

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Quote: "The only thing I was saying is that every theory about the start of the universe requires faith. Everyone has a theory, be it Christians, Atheists, ect. There is no proof for any of these theories; Therefore, everyone must have faith."


There is no proof, of course. But there is certainly evidence for the big bang theory, I see none for religion etc. However, I do acknowledge that religion is about faith while science is about facts(not that atheism = science)

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I'm just sayin that I believe its more possible that a god exist and

made everything then that everything happened from chance."


Really?
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mamaji4
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Quote: "Really? "


Poor Risk Management.

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Posted: 15th May 2009 23:20
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Quote: "But there is certainly evidence for the big bang theory, I see none for religion etc."


Your not looking hard enough. That's all I will say because this is comming very close to being "banned" discussion. I don't want to ruin my perfect record.


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Posted: 15th May 2009 23:38 Edited at: 15th May 2009 23:49
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There was no evidence of the existence of sub-atomic particles till we had the equipment to discover them. Does that mean that they did not exist just because we didn't have the instrumentation to detect them?

Which means that the discovery of an event is not a requirement for the existence of that event.

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Posted: 15th May 2009 23:56 Edited at: 16th May 2009 00:00
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I'll let this one pass, because I don't think anybody really cares.

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Quote: "Which means that the discovery of an event is not a requirement for the existence of that event."


But if there was no evidence of subatomic particles at the time then belief in them wasn't justified.

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Quote: "But if there was no evidence of subatomic particles at the time then belief in them wasn't justified."


Belief in them might not be justified. But they did exist even then. Just shows how poor human reasoning can be.

It is therefore illogical not to believe in the existence of God just because you don't have the instrumentation to see Him.

Faith therefore doesn't have to be anything more than giving God the benefit of the doubt, because it amounts to good risk management practices for your soul.

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Posted: 16th May 2009 01:22
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Quote: "It is therefore illogical not to believe in the existence of God just because you don't have the instrumentation to see Him."


No it isn't, if there is no evidence for something then it's logical to lack a belief in said thing's existence. Maybe there's a new level of particles comprising all sub-atomic ones that we haven't discovered yet. We have no evidence such particles exist but do you believe they do? Apparently you do, I personally lack a belief they exist until we either build instruments to detect them(evidence) or build scientific models showing they are required to exist(dunno if I'd call this belief though).

After all, not all gods can exist; but they can all not exist.

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Posted: 16th May 2009 01:44
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Quote: "God gives you the commandments. If you don't follow them because you don't believe, you risk losing your soul. Can you take that risk?
It's simple. If you can't take that risk it's better to believe than not to believe"


Yet if god doesn't exist, you've wasted your life following some meaningless rules, and guess what, there's nothing after that, that one life is all you get

Anyway...
The end of the universe...




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Posted: 16th May 2009 01:59 Edited at: 16th May 2009 02:00
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Pascal's wager is rubbish. If I die, and it turns out there is a God, I think he will still let me into Heaven.

What would he rather? I come to the honest conclusion that he doesn't exist from the evidence he has presented me; or that I live a lie my entire life, pretending to believe something I can't find any evidence for??

I would just say that I was never presented with enough evidence, if he is fair, he will let me in.

Surely the thousands of people of Fiji who lived as cannibals until the 20th century were not simply going straight to hell because Chritianity had not spread to their island yet? Seems a bit harsh.

@ Christians

Thank goodness you were born into a country that taught 'the right' religion. Otherwise, unending torture for you... talk about a lucky break eh?

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Posted: 16th May 2009 02:03 Edited at: 16th May 2009 02:04
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Sorry guys, I warned you.

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