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Posted: 30th Sep 2009 14:12
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I checked that too and it helps a bit to have it lower, but I wish that the colours of previously read posts were a pure white. It's sometimes hard when, say, you've been playing a game or whatever because the new and unread posts look rather similar.
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Posted: 30th Sep 2009 15:28 Edited at: 30th Sep 2009 15:49
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But why should they be changed if the contrast or brightness settings are incorrect on your monitor. That doesn't sound like a fault of the site.

And for those of us who have our monitors set correctly, it would be a little unfair (as I am quite a fan of the colour scheme)

Or if people are having problems with it even after adjusting their monitor, it could be an option in the user profile to change the colour to something darker.

But I don't think it should become a change for everyone.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2009 18:45 Edited at: 30th Sep 2009 18:47
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Quote: "Sounds to me like the contrast on your monitor is too high."


Actually it isn't. It's just that if I sit at a certain angle the blue *almost* looks like the gray posts. Just a couple of shades darker would really do a lot to help.

This actually happens on all monitors I've used. I too thought it was that the contrast was too high, but after seeing it on three separate monitors plus the time I've used the library computers...well, you see what I mean. Then again those monitors were all rather old...

Quote: "Or if people are having problems with it even after adjusting their monitor, it could be an option in the user profile to change the colour to something darker."


I second that! That way everybody's happy.

-Yodaman Jer.

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Quote: "Sounds to me like the contrast on your monitor is too high."

Well, several people have complained about it, and if you're telling users to adjust their hardware that they might not have touched since buying it, the user might be right. It also won't work for colorblind people.

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Wow! I didn't even realise the posts were different colours, and I've been using this forum across six computers, including colour balanced college iMacs. The difference only becomes obvious when digital vibrance is used, which causes saturation distortion and should never be used.

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Quote: "Well, several people have complained about it, and if you're telling users to adjust their hardware that they might not have touched since buying it, the user might be right. It also won't work for colorblind people."


Are you serious? Complaining about the hue of the unread posts because of the colour blind? Can you name another forum where they are colour blind certified? That's really grasping.

I too have been using this forum for many years and have never had issues with the colours. There is no way to please 100% of the people, in any situation, so making the hue darker might in turn affect those of us with darker contrasted monitors, and then what?


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...how can you not tell the color difference? One is bright white, the other is sky blue...it has to be a hardware issue, I've been on these forums on many computers and could always tell the difference...even when it's been on a black and white monitor.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2009 22:08 Edited at: 30th Sep 2009 22:13
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Quote: "Well, several people have complained about it, and if you're telling users to adjust their hardware that they might not have touched since buying it, the user might be right. It also won't work for colorblind people."


No offense, but that is a load of rubbish. Monitors are not calibrated when you buy them out of the box.

And I can assure you, you should be able to tell the difference between these two colours on a monitor.

Quote: "Then again those monitors were all rather old..."

That could be the problem, before recently upgrading my monitors, I used a very old packard bell monitor as a secondary screen, and the colours where pretty similar (and changing the contrast or brightness to see the difference diddn't help).
But this is an external issue, and not the fault of the colour scheme.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2009 22:12 Edited at: 30th Sep 2009 22:13
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The iMacs I have been viewing the forum on were colour calibrated. The orange lighting in the rooms (cheap lights) do give the screens a strong blue constrast which camoflages the difference because white as a result looks sky blue. This is especially true on the bootscreen; it should be white, it looks blue though if you take the Mac somewhere with decent lights it looks white. It does on all Macs I've used, oddly.

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@BiggAdd:

Yeah, I tried adjusting this monitor (it's an old LCD) and it didn't really do anything. Just need to get a newer monitor!

I remember one time I was at my friend's house and came onto the forums. His LCD was very nice and I could easily distinguish the difference between the colors of the posts. On all other monitors though, it can be hard sometimes.

-Yodaman Jer.

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CRTs especially.

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I had a hard time seeing the difference between the posts on a monitor of mine, but I readjusted it and it's great now. The monitor is not QUITE as bright as I had it, but the color clarity is much better. It was a cheap monitor. I shouldn't have expected more out of it.

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I've always been able to tell.

I like this forum. Please don't break it with unnecessary implementations.

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Quote: "Are you serious? Complaining about the hue of the unread posts because of the colour blind? Can you name another forum where they are colour blind certified? That's really grasping."


Quote: "And I can assure you, you should be able to tell the difference between these two colours on a monitor."


First off, tell this to NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret. He just invalidated your points.

Secondly, colorblindness affects 7 percent of men. It is absolutely not grasping, it's something that professional designers take into account. The contrast between color tones is very important if it's used to show an interface state. Colorblind people can still see contrast.

Again, I'm not coming up with these things, it's good usability. Every time you mods try to argue against a point of mine, people come out of the woodwork and confirm it. Just because something is fine to you, it doesn't mean it's fine for other people. Usability experts (I am not one) take every perspective into account. You guys need to do this too.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2009 01:41 Edited at: 1st Oct 2009 01:43
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Quote: "You guys need to do this too."


Oh did he? Did you look at the other point of people with dark monitors? Re-read it. Thanks.

Quote: "You guys need to do this too."


Actually, we are mods, and are not responsible for maintaining the code on the forum. Have you tried, I dunno, emailing support with your laundry list of demands and seeing what they say? You could be, for lack of a better term, farting in the wind if you post complaints in a Geek Culture sub-forum of a company. In my opinion you are being too demanding, and the mods aren't here to defend or collude with you, but to be real members of the forum. We aren't biased and we are not special--- our opinions are not special, and they carry the same weight as yours. So the mods who disagree with you are doing it not for some ulterior motive, but because they *actually* disagree with you. There's no point for us to do it out of spite because it's not our job to fix the forum

So take your fight to those who can fix or invalidate it, instead of kicking up a dust storm here.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2009 01:45 Edited at: 1st Oct 2009 01:47
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Quote: "The contrast between color tones is very important if it's used to show an interface state."


Don't mind me if I'm skeptical, do you have a source? From my limited understanding of colorblindness, colour blind people would still be able to tell where "white" and "pale blue" start and end on the page, they're colour blind, but not contrast blind. The white, black, blue and grey colours all have different tones, so in theory, this forum shouldn't be a problem?

Though as a countering point:

How many websites/forums cater for those with Irlens Syndrome?

[the pale blue on this forum would be good for some who read best with a pale blue background]

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@Quoth - Are your demands in order of importance? I might be able to help with the forum and I'm thinking the Post Preview should be done first. Your thoughts?


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Quote: "Don't mind me if I'm skeptical, do you have a source? From my limited understanding of colorblindness, colour blind people would still be able to tell where "white" and "pale blue" start and end on the page, they're colour blind, but not contrast blind. The white, black, blue and grey colours all have different tones, so in theory, this forum shouldn't be a problem?"

I actually know a few that are colorblind and they can't distinguish between some colors at all.

However, saying that the colors need to be changed is really just stupid lol. Just because 7% of men are colorblind doesn't mean 7% can't tell the difference between these two colors.

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Thank you for clearing that up Jenkins.

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This forum is fine the way it is.

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And over a billion people speak Chinese, does that mean TGC must have a Chinese version of the forum?


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Looks like it. Get to work on learning Mandarin, TGC!

If there's one thing I'd like to see fixed its that once you search, when you go down to the bottom to search again, you only have the option of "Search entire forum", rather than "Just this board" again. That's really annoying.

Other than that, I'd like to see TGC work on their products rather than their forum.
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I got to agree with this guy these forums are a bit out of hand and you mods kinda overreact most of the time when there is a thread why'd I bet that in the next couple of days this whole thread is going to be locked cause you overreact just about almost every time.

I also bet that your thinking of destroying my account cause your so angry of what I just said.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2009 02:31 Edited at: 1st Oct 2009 02:31
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Quote: "And over a billion people speak Chinese, does that mean TGC must have a Chinese version of the forum?"

Haha wow I almost said that exact same thing but I just decided not to lol.

Quote: "I got to agree with this guy these forums are a bit out of hand and you mods kinda overreact most of the time when there is a thread why'd I bet that in the next couple of days this whole thread is going to be locked cause you overreact just about almost every time.

I also bet that your thinking of destroying my account cause your so angry of what I just said."

How in any way are they overreacting? They aren't in anyway they just disagree with the purpose of this thread. They are not overreacting whatsoever.

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I disagree, I mean whilst the mods have to run a tight ship to keep it a fair and pleasant place, they don't always "over-react", it's just the standard for this forum is quite high and the mods are just members so their opinions are as a members and not people in charge or staff, I wouldn't even say they have a drive of power, because people are allowed to have an opposing opinion and criticise their point of view, otherwise Jeku would have banned me for the journalism/semi-political debate a little while back, for which he strongly disagreed with me and I strongly disagreed with him. I wouldn't say his opinion 'overreacted' to my argument either, just as I wouldn't say the opinions of mods here aren't 'overreactions'.

But when it comes the AUP, the mods do their job and make sure it's in effect, they don't decided the AUP, they enforce it and believe it or not, they do manage to keep quite close to it - small details like "don't post your age if you're 13 or younger" is actually enforced as "18 or younger" and I think in fair reason, after all teenagers are still easy targets for prowlers.

In geek culture (which used to be 'General Chat') it used to be bombarded with useless/pointless threads that pushed down threads that had actual discussion, so the admit changed the section name so that people would get the idea and the mods are stricter when it comes to such threads, such as only allowing 2 games at a time.

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[edit]

Didn't see the other page.

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Well I agree with you 99.9 % but I got one question: Why do you get new status just because of some words. You do know you don't have to do that instead you could just do some coding to censor it
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Its an example alright it does not mean that I literally mean it!

Let me Repeat it again ITS AN EXAMPLE do not mod edit this cause it shows what it would look like

Don't put me in new status


The word F*ck(Bad word I know but I have to show of what would happened instead of banning people)
would be like **** instead of the actual word
or God damn it I don't like you guys anymore your just a bunch of douchebags would be like *** **** it I don't like you guys anymore your just a bunch of **********. Some forums have done this instead of ripping people status.

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This forum tries to be 'family orientated' (from what I understand), for a start this is a forum belonging to a software company who likes to have a community of coders, artists, musicians etc. but its audiences range quite a bit and it's fair considering their products. FPSC for example is perhaps accessible to people between 9 and 13 and people those ages do use the internet, but because DBP is a basic language in comparison to those typically used professionally, younger people are able to grasp it as well.

And we have had some quite young people and maybe TGC would rather not have kids going to their parents with bad habits. For a start, Lee could be faced with a very angry email, probably containing many of the words the kid thought okay to use.

Also the example, after "I don't like you guys anymore" is actually inflammatory and the AUP isn't a fan of inflammatory remarks. After all, insulting people on a forum isn't doing anybody any favours.

"God damn it" is blasphemous, whilst many have no problem with such phrasing, some perhaps find blasphemy to be unpleasant or even inflammatory to their god. I know there are Christians on this board, though I am unsure as to whether or not they like 'God damn it'.

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I guess but what about the annoying 12 year olds...

OMG THEIR ALREADY TAKING OVER THIS FORUM NOW!!!


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Honestly, these are petty "problems" to argue over. The forum works good enough and getting so worked up over a few extra clicks or straining your eyes just a little bit is pointless. Even if those "problems" are fixed, I'm sure there will be someone in the near future bring up a few more small annoyances until the forum gets absolutely perfect with tons of flashy tags and billions of fonts or some such.

So a colorblind man cannot tell the new posts from old, so what? Like said before, they are in the minority and I'm sure it's very unlikely for a colorblind person to join a small forum for game programming.

And yes, a preview post button would be nice, but the edit button works just as well. It probably influences members to go over their posts before they post them, although it may be unnoticeable to some people.

It's oh so easy to demand change, but causing the change is much harder and more demanding. If you're unhappy with the forum the way it is now (which I am perfectly content with), then by all means, offer up some help to improve it. Ranting on about the small inconveniences and the odd bug causes nothing but more aggravation and gets people worked up over nothing.


...K, I'm done.

And just to avoid the common "That's just your opinion and blah blah blah..." I shall add a small, "This is of course all just my opinion." to the end of this post.


This is of course all just my opinion.

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Quote: "So a colorblind man cannot tell the new posts from old, so what? Like said before, they are in the minority and I'm sure it's very unlikely for a colorblind person to join a small forum for game programming."


Discrimination much?


I have to agree with the preview post and the colors. But the bugs is what really needs fixed.

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Quote: "Discrimination much?"


Don't be ridiculous.

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Quote: "But the bugs is what really needs fixed."


I have not encountered one bug during the whole time that I've been using this forum.

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That's because they're not that noticeable and not detrimental to the survival of the forum. Some of the "bugs" can be worked out with a simple click of a mouse.

Such as the "Last post button" not taking you to the last post sometimes. There are several other ways to get there, but that doesn't stop people complaining about it not working.

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Seriously? I have encountered a few.

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Like what? The "Newest Post" button has never failed for me.

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That, when you look up my threads and try to advanced to the next page, it gives you a SQL error, or doesn't display anything. Also, the edit button sometimes sticks the message I said to the posting box and stays there until I have to clear my cookies to get rid of it so I can post.

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Quote: "Why do you get new status just because of some words. You do know you don't have to do that instead you could just do some coding to censor it"


The point is, in a forum for game development you don't need to be dropping the f-bomb, whether it is censored or not. Swearing doesn't offend me in the slightest, but there are plenty of forums around where you can swear. Why do you need to do it here? Yes the moderation in Geek Culture is strict. Far more strict than in other sections of the forum, otherwise it would just deteriorate into chaos which has happened in the past.

Putting someone on post approval isn't at all exciting as a moderator, because we then have to read through all the posts waiting to be approved.

If this thread was going to be locked because of what QuothTheRaven said in his first post it would already be locked.

Quote: "I also bet that your thinking of destroying my account cause your so angry of what I just said.
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I can't think of anytime where someone has been moderated for having a difference of opinion with a moderator. Moderation is discussed between moderators, not just handed out on a whim because we're having a bad day.

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Quote: "I got to agree with this guy these forums are a bit out of hand and you mods kinda overreact most of the time when there is a thread why'd I bet that in the next couple of days this whole thread is going to be locked cause you overreact just about almost every time.

I also bet that your thinking of destroying my account cause your so angry of what I just said."


Every mod will agree with me when I say that ignoring small breaches of the AUP can lead to complete chaos. Time and time again one small problem that was missed or overlooked has turned the entire forum into a very nasty place to be. In the past, there has been a lot of valuable contributors lost because it got too tiresome to find the wheat amongst the chaff. This is why you'll see stickys at the top of the offending boards, explaining what is being done about it.

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Quote: "This is why you'll see stickys at the top of the offending boards, explaining what is being done about it."


And this is why you might find yourself moderated for 'apparently' no reason even if you haven't read the stickies (which you should).

A preview option would be nice but I have many forums open and I write my reply in one that does have a preview option then cut and paste when I'm happy.

Please don't turn this into a Mod flame war, it's about changes to the forum, not how Mods should act against members.

That is all.



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I don't have a problem with the forums the way they are now but it would be nice to see more stats on the left side.

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Post count used to show up, but it just encouraged people to post junky posts.

You can get your own personal post count number here:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=post_count


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Wow... 3408 posts... too many threads

I was such a n00b back then...
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Quote: "2210 Forum Messages
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Even I wasn't as nooby as you back then!

Thank God that has all changed now lol.

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Assuming you took a mere 20 seconds to write each message, you've spent 28.13 hours (1.17 days) posting to this forum.

Must... get... life...

Knows me so well...



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I thought for sure it would be a bit higher than that, lol. Then again, I'm rather glad it's not...

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2009 22:40
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Quote: "You can get your own personal post count number here"


That's how I got my numbers but it's good to tell other people too. And I understand now that you mentioned that... it would be very bad to show the post count all the time.

I still want languages though.

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BMacZero
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Joined: 30th Dec 2005
Location: E:/ NA / USA
Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 04:54
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Did this just devolve into a Post Count thread?



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Green Gandalf
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Joined: 3rd Jan 2005
Playing: Malevolence:Sword of Ahkranox, Skyrim, Civ6.
Posted: 4th Oct 2009 18:31
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Looks like it.

4775 Forum Messages (excluding this one )
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Seppuku Arts
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Joined: 18th Aug 2004
Location: Cambridgeshire, England
Posted: 4th Oct 2009 18:46
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Oh well, lets jump on the band wagon:

13095 Forum Messages
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Assuming you took a mere 20 seconds to write each message, you've spent 72.75 hours (3.03 days) posting to this forum.

Must... get... life...


I really ought to get a life, hadn't I?

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